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Jobstown 6 Not Guilty

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  • #242
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Jayop wrote: »
    Cheers. Was he saying individual guards or from on high?

    I was willing the interviewer to ask him to name individual guards he was accusing of lying.

    He would have had the manes from the court case.

    Unfortunately it didn't happen.

    It would have shown him up for the fraud he is.


  • #243
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Allinall wrote: »
    I was willing the interviewer to ask him to name individual guards he was accusing of lying.

    He would have had the manes from the court case.

    Unfortunately it didn't happen.

    It would have shown him up for the fraud he is.

    You think he was going to name them live on air? Naive or what.


  • #244
    golfball37
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,232 ✭✭✭golfball37


    Allinall wrote: »
    I was willing the interviewer to ask him to name individual guards he was accusing of lying.

    He would have had the manes from the court case.

    Unfortunately it didn't happen.

    It would have shown him up for the fraud he is.

    It's a matter of public record now that Gardai lied under oath - why does he need to reiterate it? Unless you still don't believe it....


  • #245
    Bishopsback
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭Bishopsback


    The charge was always too strong I feel.
    A few public order offences that could and should have always been dealt with in the district court, a few heavy fines and maybe bound over's would have been punishment enough.


  • #246
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭Allinall


    golfball37 wrote: »
    It's a matter of public record now that Gardai lied under oath - why does he need to reiterate it? Unless you still don't believe it....

    Where is it a matter of public record?

    I must have missed that.


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  • #247
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭Allinall


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You think he was going to name them live on air? Naive or what.

    Why would he not?

    Would it be because he wouldn't be able to prove it and would be scared of being sued?

    If so, why should anyone believe his half hearted claims?


  • #248
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    Is there helicopter footage of her being trapped in her car (Toyota Avenis)?
    From the photos I saw it looks fairly surrounded.

    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2017/06/29/reverse-logic/

    From the mouths of the Guards in the air. She could have backed up and got away "ages ago" but they "seemed not to want to do that".

    Can't have been that surrounded. Even the recordings of Burton inside the car afterwards make it look like she was more concerned with getting the story out to the media than she was with her well being.


  • #249
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    He didn't really specify, just noted the fact that 3 Gardai gave evidence of a statement they claimed he made which was contradicted by the video footage, I guess the obvious inference being how did all 3 alight on the same phrase.
    Which is not the same thing as lying.

    A statement contradicting video evidence is not proof that the statement is a lie.

    That's the only fact, however much the brigade on Twitter want people to believe that the judge called the Gardai liars.

    She didn't.


  • #250
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Allinall wrote: »
    Why would he not?

    Would it be because he wouldn't be able to prove it and would be scared of being sued?

    If so, why should anyone believe his half hearted claims?

    Because naming them would have left him open to being sued. And probably the station broadcasting it. Try and live in the real world here.


  • #251
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,743 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Deise Vu wrote: »
    Tell that to the families of the British soldiers lynched in Belfast by a republican mob. Being armed didn't even help them.

    they were combatants so are irrelevant to the discussion. and no doubt they would have drove at and mowed down those people if they could have got away with it.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • #252
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    seamus wrote: »
    Which is not the same thing as lying.

    A statement contradicting video evidence is not proof that the statement is a lie.

    That's the only fact, however much the brigade on Twitter want people to believe that the judge called the Gardai liars.

    She didn't.

    Oh that's true. I didn't suggest they had lied, merely noted that was the inference raised by Paul Murphy. He had said it more directly in his statement after the acquittal, though a more general "the Gardai lied" rather than identifying any individuals.


  • #253
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    186 (may be slightly out) Garda statements couldn't convince a jury. Something wrong there.


  • #254
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    186 (may be slightly out) Garda statements couldn't convince a jury. Something wrong there.

    Yes. No-one trusts a thing the Irish Police Farce say anymore.


  • #255
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,941 ✭✭✭20Cent


    lucky there was the helicopter footage or six innocent peoplw would be behind bars now.


  • #256
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    20Cent wrote: »
    lucky there was the helicopter footage or six innocent peoplw would be behind bars now.

    This was blatant attempt by the state and their hired goons in AGS.
    to stitch up those who were involved in a political protest.

    Thankfully, there was helicopter footage available.


  • #257
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,712 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Expect helicopters to be banned the next time a political protest happens (as well as members of the public using their cameras as video recorders)


  • #258
    nice_guy80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    186 (may be slightly out) Garda statements couldn't convince a jury. Something wrong there.

    Remember all the statements from the South Yorkshire Police after Hillsborough

    why were they found to be lies


  • #259
    red ears
    Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭red ears


    Murphy will be insufferable now


  • #260
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    I am far from left wing but this is a good day

    Most people saw this for what it was

    Fcuk official Ireland


  • #261
    ooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭ooter


    In Paul Murphy's statement today on the steps of the court he said "Gardai up to the rank of superintendent falsified statements, they gave fabricated evidence and statements."


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  • #262
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Disgraceful decision ,I've seen the videos and clips from that event and everyone of that mob should be ashamed of there actions .and of been found guilty heard Murphys interview on news talk earlier ,what a smug person he is ,no respect for guards or laws of this land .


  • #263
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭Allinall


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Because naming them would have left him open to being sued. And probably the station broadcasting it. Try and live in the real world here.

    So he was making claims he couldn't stand over?

    He should have no problem with being sued if he was confident of his claims.

    He's a sniveling weasel throwing out accusations that he can't back up.


  • #264
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,368 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote:
    According to the helicopter footage her driver could have just reversed away from the crowd.


    Reverse where though? It might have created some space between the guards in front and the protests, but she wasn't going to get away..


  • #265
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Disgraceful decision ,I've seen the videos and clips from that event and everyone of that mob should be ashamed of there actions .and of been found guilty heard Murphys interview on news talk earlier ,what a smug person he is ,no respect for guards or laws of this land .

    Had they been charged for actual crimes they committed they probably would have been convicted, but they could be no more convicted of this than Burton's driver could have been convicted of speeding that afternoon.


  • #266
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    Reverse where though? It might have created some space between the guards in front and the protests, but she wasn't going to get away..

    The guard in the helicopter literally said they could have "got away ages ago" bit didn't seem to want to do that.

    So yeah, they could have got away easily in the words of a garda at the time.


  • #267
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,395 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Disgraceful decision ,I've seen the videos and clips from that event and everyone of that mob should be ashamed of there actions d .

    I could never imagine treating people they way Joan was treated that day.


  • #268
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    I could never imagine treating people they way Joan was treated that day.

    And I could never imagine treating people the way she did when she was in government.


  • #269
    BillyBobBS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭BillyBobBS


    Just shows how deep the problems are within the police force of this state. Lies, lies and more lies for the sake of the establishment.


  • #270
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Allinall wrote: »
    So he was making claims he couldn't stand over?

    He should have no problem with being sued if he was confident of his claims.

    He's a sniveling weasel throwing out accusations that he can't back up.

    He wasn't asked to back them up because it would be wrong to do that. Telly/radio/here is not a trial.
    Not a very difficult concept to grasp if you are a reasonable rational person.


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  • #271
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Jayop wrote: »
    And I could never imagine treating people the way she did when she was in government.

    Well said


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