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The Academies

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  • #1412
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Ayewserious wrote: »
    Anyone no if Paul Boyle Charlie Connelly colm hogan David McCarthy or Jordan Dugan got offers from anywhere?
    Colm Hogan is in Trinity and away on erasmus next year. I understand he will be in France so Munster have arranged he will play/train with a team over there
    Some of them are only u19s so even less of issue about offers.
    Ayewserious wrote: »
    Colm hogan > Liam Coombes...Conor fitz is lucky to be there as well
    Who are all the alternatives better??


  • #1413
    fbse90
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 38 ✭fbse90


    Ayewserious wrote: »
    Anyone no if Paul Boyle Charlie Connelly colm hogan David McCarthy or Jordan Dugan got offers from anywhere?

    Boyle -> Connacht
    Hogan -> Erasmus
    McCarthy -> Munster Sub Academy
    Duggan -> Leinster Sub Academy
    Connelly -> ?


  • #1414
    fbse90
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 38 ✭fbse90


    More accurate version:

    Liam O’Connor Loosehead/Munster/U22
    Joey Conway Loosehead/Munster/U21

    Sean McNulty Hooker/Leinster/U23
    Vincent O’Brien Hooker/Munster/U22
    Ronan Kelleher Hooker/Leinster/U20

    Oisin Heffernan Tighthead/Leinster/U23
    Jeremy Loughman Loosehead/Leinster/U23
    JP Phelan Tighthead/Munster/U23
    Jack Aungier Tighthead/Leinster/U20

    Sean O’Connor Second Row/Munster/U22
    Fineen Wycherley Second Row/Munster/U21
    Oisín Dowling Second Row/Leinster/U21

    Josh Murphy Backrow/Leinster/U23
    Will Connors Backrow/Leinster/U22
    Gavin Coombes Backrow/Munster/U21
    John Foley Backrow/Munster/U21
    Jack O’Sullivan Backrow/Munster/U20
    Caelan Doris Backrow/Leinster/U20

    Charlie Rock Scrumhalf/Leinster/U23
    Jack Stafford Scrumhalf/Munster/U21
    Hugh O’Sullivan Scrumhalf/Leinster/U20
    Craig Casey Scrumhalf/Munster/U19

    Conor Fitzgerald Outhalf/Munster/U21
    Alan Tynan Outhalf/Munster/U21

    Shane Daly Centre/Fullback/Munster/U22
    Conor O’Brien Centre/Leinster/U22
    Jimmy O’Brien Centre/Leinster/U22
    Calvin Nash Centre/Wing/Munster/U21
    Alex McHenry Centre/Munster/U21
    Gavin Mullin Centre/Leinster/U21
    Ciaran Frawley Centre/Outhalf/Leinster/U21
    Jack Kelly Centre/Back Three/Leinster/U21
    Tommy O’Brien Centre/Wing/Leinster/U20

    Ian Fitzpatrick Back Three/Leinster/U24
    Hugo Keenan Back Three/Leinster/U22
    Terry Kennedy Back Three/Leinster/U22
    Jordan Larmour Back Three/Leinster/U21
    Liam Coombes Back Three/Munster/U21
    Daniel Hurley Back Three/Munster/U20
    James McCarthy Back Three/Munster/U19

    Jack Power Fullback/Munster/U22


  • #1415
    typhoony
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    Jack Aungier must be the youngest player to have been recruited into an academy, and he'll have 3 years in the u20's i believe


  • #1416
    fbse90
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 38 ✭fbse90


    typhoony wrote: »
    Jack Aungier must be the youngest player to have been recruited into an academy, and he'll have 3 years in the u20's i believe

    that is not correct, Aungier was born in 1998. He has one year of under-20 eligibility left.


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  • #1417
    The Lost Sheep
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    typhoony wrote: »
    Jack Aungier must be the youngest player to have been recruited into an academy, and he'll have 3 years in the u20's i believe
    No player has or ever will join academy with 3 years to play at 20s level. Dont think we'll ever really see anyone play 3 years of irish 20s
    That would mean a kid doing leaving cert as an under 17(ie turning 17 the calender year they do the leaving cert) which happens but isnt that likely and a province would never do that as there is so much that can change and any kid like that would simply be sub academy and train with province before being added to academy the following season if they continued to progress.


  • #1418
    fbse90
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    5 of the players who joined the leinster academy this summer were u19 this season:

    Jack Aungier
    Ronan Kelleher
    Caelan Doris
    Hugh O'Sullivan
    Tommy O'Brien


  • #1419
    typhoony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭typhoony


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    No player has or ever will join academy with 3 years to play at 20s level. Dont think we'll ever really see anyone play 3 years of irish 20s
    That would mean a kid doing leaving cert as an under 17(ie turning 17 the calender year they do the leaving cert) which happens but isnt that likely and a province would never do that as there is so much that can change and any kid like that would simply be sub academy and train with province before being added to academy the following season if they continued to progress.

    he's only 17 now but i defer to your greater knowledge about the u20's thing


  • #1420
    fbse90
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    typhoony wrote: »
    he's only 17 now but i defer to your greater knowledge about the u20's thing

    no he isn't. He turns 19 later this year.


  • #1421
    typhoony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭typhoony


    fbse90 wrote: »
    no he isn't. He turns 19 later this year.

    I'm wrong again, thanks


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  • #1422
    Ayewserious
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    Is there a list of Leinster/Munster sub academy?


  • #1423
    fbse90
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    Ayewserious wrote: »
    Is there a list of Leinster/Munster sub academy?

    no it hasnt been set yet and even when it is it wont be published


  • #1424
    The Lost Sheep
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    Ayewserious wrote: »
    Is there a list of Leinster/Munster sub academy?
    No. The full list of a provinces sub academy has virtually never been published and never will. It constantly is changing any way. The only time ive seen seen a list is when Munster published a list of their sub academy in programme of Munster Australia game in 2010


  • #1425
    Ayewserious
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    When will the Ulster/Connacht academy's be announced?


  • #1426
    fbse90
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    Ayewserious wrote: »
    When will the Ulster/Connacht academy's be announced?

    your guess is as good as mine..

    and educated guess can be made on them though.


  • #1427
    fbse90
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 38 ✭fbse90


    Looking at both Leinster/Munster academies, you'd have to say they Leinster Academy has the more elite talent.

    Munster
    Calvin Nash(Wing)
    Gavin Coombes(Backrow)
    Fineen Whycherly(Second Row)
    Shane Daly(Centre/Fullback)
    Craig Casey(Scrumhalf)

    Leinster
    Jordan Larmour(Wing)
    Jack Kelly(Wing/Fullback/Centre)
    Tommy O'Brien(Wing/Centre)
    Caelan Doris(Backrow)
    Hugh O'Sullivan(Scrumhalf)
    Ronan Kelleher(Hooker)
    Jack Aungier(TH Prop)


  • #1428
    Jimmy Savory Refrigeration
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    I know absolutely zip about Ronan Kelleher but Leinster could certainly do with him coming through strongly at hooker.

    Now that Ryan has been moved to a senior contract are there any prospects at lock?

    I haven't seen a ton of Jack Kelly but tbh I'm getting a Brendan Macken vibe from him, dominated at schools level with power and pace but we'll see how he goes at a higher level. I could be totally wrong.


  • #1429
    fbse90
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    Khalid Poor Jeep wrote: »
    I know absolutely zip about Ronan Kelleher but Leinster could certainly do with him coming through strongly at hooker.

    Now that Ryan has been moved to a senior contract are there any prospects at lock?

    I haven't seen a ton of Jack Kelly but tbh I'm getting a Brendan Macken vibe from him, dominated at schools level with power and pace but we'll see how he goes at a higher level. I could be totally wrong.

    Kelleher has the all round game, just needs to stay healthy and probably improve his throwing technique.

    Dowling is a good prospect there but lacks size to be a elite prospect, but the next big one is Jack Dunne, who has the size required to be a top level tighthead lock. He was starting for Ireland U19 there and was visibly much bigger than his ulster counterparts at second row. Charlie Ryan is another player to watch out for at that position.

    Kelly's long term future is either at wing or fullback, he played most of the season carrying an injury and I think was harshly judged. He was ireland's best back against scotland. Maybe you are right about him being another Macken, personally I don't think so, Macken was never viewed as a leader and didn't have the positional versatility Kelly has displayed.


  • #1430
    fbse90
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    The twin towers, Charlie Ryan & Jack Dunne.

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  • #1431
    The Lost Sheep
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    Ulster academy announced.

    Rory Butler
    Alexander Clarke
    Peter Cooper
    Angus Curtis
    Matthew Dalton
    Joe Dunleavy
    Aaron Hall
    James Hume
    Greg Jones
    Michael Lowry
    Adam McBurney
    Zack McCall
    John McCusker
    Eric O'Sullivan
    Tom O'Toole
    Marcus Rea
    Jack Regan
    Jonny Stewart
    Nick Timoney


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  • #1432
    sjwpjw
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    What does getting an academy place entail?  Do these guys still study for a third level qualification?  Do they get paid or uni fees covered etc?
    Thanks


  • #1433
    Jimmy Savory Refrigeration
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    sjwpjw wrote: »
    What does getting an academy place entail?  Do these guys still study for a third level qualification?  Do they get paid or uni fees covered etc?
    Thanks

    I'm fairly sure third level of some sort is strongly encouraged if not mandatory in the Leinster academy at least. They do get paid but it's not much at all, you'd earn as much in any part time college job to the best of my knowledge.


  • #1434
    ArmchairQB
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    Khalid Poor Jeep wrote: »
    I'm fairly sure third level of some sort is strongly encouraged if not mandatory in the Leinster academy at least. They do get paid but it's not much at all, you'd earn as much in any part time college job to the best of my knowledge.

    New academy contracts worth €8k per year no mandatory 3rd level courses required altough most do a 3rd level qualification especially if they get a college scholarship as well and priorty on waiting list for student accomadation. Makes perfect sense to be a student like the rest of their mates while getting financial support to do so


  • #1435
    mogwai81
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Ulster academy announced.

    Rory Butler
    Alexander Clarke
    Peter Cooper
    Angus Curtis
    Matthew Dalton
    Joe Dunleavy
    Aaron Hall
    James Hume
    Greg Jones
    Michael Lowry
    Adam McBurney
    Zack McCall
    John McCusker
    Eric O'Sullivan
    Tom O'Toole
    Marcus Rea
    Jack Regan
    Jonny Stewart
    Nick Timoney
    I know people hear these comments all the time, but I heard from a friend that Joe Dunleavy is supposed to be a serious talent. Has anyone seen him play or know anything about him? I believe he's a back row.


  • #1436
    letf
    Site Banned Posts: 262 ✭✭letf


    mogwai81 wrote: »
    I know people hear these comments all the time, but I heard from a friend that Joe Dunleavy is supposed to be a serious talent. Has anyone seen him play or know anything about him? I believe he's a back row.

    He is good, how good is debatable... would be great to see a Donegal man succeed at Ulster though.


  • #1437
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,009 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    mogwai81 wrote: »
    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Ulster academy announced.

    Rory Butler
    Alexander Clarke
    Peter Cooper
    Angus Curtis
    Matthew Dalton
    Joe Dunleavy
    Aaron Hall
    James Hume
    Greg Jones
    Michael Lowry
    Adam McBurney
    Zack McCall
    John McCusker
    Eric O'Sullivan
    Tom O'Toole
    Marcus Rea
    Jack Regan
    Jonny Stewart
    Nick Timoney
    I know people hear these comments all the time, but I heard from a friend that Joe Dunleavy is supposed to be a serious talent. Has anyone seen him play or know anything about him? I believe he's a back row.

    Think he is a No.8.

    The thing is some of those guys listed will live up to their potential, some won't and some may even surpass it. As letf says it would be great to see a Donegal lad break through and become a mainstay of the team like Tommy has done.

    Maybe I have it wrong, and letf will probably know but isn't there a guy in the U19s, Oisin Kearnan I think, also from one of the three "non NI counties"?


  • #1438
    letf
    Site Banned Posts: 262 ✭✭letf


    bilston wrote: »
    Think he is a No.8.

    The thing is some of those guys listed will live up to their potential, some won't and some may even surpass it. As letf says it would be great to see a Donegal lad break through and become a mainstay of the team like Tommy has done.

    Maybe I have it wrong, and letf will probably know but isn't there a guy in the U19s, Oisin Kearnan I think, also from one of the three "non NI counties"?

    Yeah he is from Cavan, I believe. Still in school I think.


  • #1439
    The Lost Sheep
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    sjwpjw wrote:
    What does getting an academy place entail? Do these guys still study for a third level qualification? Do they get paid or uni fees covered etc? Thanks
    all recommended to study for one. Fees won't be covered but many players can get scholarships in university


  • #1440
    letf
    Site Banned Posts: 262 ✭✭letf


    Connacht still to announce their academy..


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  • #1441
    letf
    Site Banned Posts: 262 ✭✭letf


    Connacht Academy

    Year 3
    Conan O'Donnell(Prop/Buccaneers)
    Conor Kyne(Prop/Galwegians)

    Year 2
    Conor Kenny(Prop/Buccaneers)
    Peter Claffey(Lock/Buccaneers)
    Cillian Gallagher(Lock/Corinthians)
    Stephen Kerins(Scrumhalf/Corinthians)
    Adam Leavy(Back three/Lansdowne)
    Matthew Byrne(Back three/Terenure)

    Year 1
    Matthew Burke(Prop/Corinthians)
    Paul Boyle(Backrow/Buccaneers)
    Sean Masterson(Backrow/Corinthians)
    Harley Fox(Backrow/?)
    Ryan Feehily(Scrumhalf/Sligo)
    Luke Carty(Outhalf/Buccaneers)
    Kieran Joyce(Centre/Corinthians)
    Jordan Conroy(Back three/Buccaneers)
    Colm de Buitléar(Back three/An Ghaeltacht/Corinthians)


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