Pay by weight july 17

vickers209 · 10-06-2017 12:10am #1

Hi
as its only 3 weeks to july and afik pay by weight is due to start on july 1st.

Is the still the case or has it being scraped quietly as not much news or fuss about it.

Atlantic Dawn · 10-06-2017 12:17am

I could see it being electoral suicide if it goes in, especially with the water charges being "dropped".

Fiskar · 11-06-2017 10:13am

Another can kicked down the road last year by Coveny. Getting tired of this piecemeal politic. Time for them to make the big decisions and we accept or reject them

boardsuser1 · 11-06-2017 10:17am

Old but possibly relevant?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/paybyweight-bin-charges-to-be-scrapped-by-cabinet-35271287.html

Buffman · 20-06-2017 5:10pm

Any of the big companies websites I've checked have it being implemented from July 2017. Goverment probably keeping their heads down and hoping nobody notices.

http://thorntons-recycling.ie/domestic/pay-by-weight/

Pay by Weight is coming on July 1st 2016 2017 and as a Thorntons Recycling customer you donâ€™t have to worry about the changeover.

We currently weigh every lift from your household bins and know exactly how much each one weighs.
When the new rules begin we will simply be dropping our â€˜per liftâ€™ charge and instead applying a â€˜per kgâ€™ rate for each service.

https://greyhound.ie/faq-making-the-choice-pay-by-weight/

Many customers were happy to transfer to pay by weight and they have the option to stay on this plan if they so wish whilst others who preferred their current charging plan now have the choice to remain on this plan until the end of July 2017.

r93kaey5p2izun · 25-06-2017 6:10pm

I just received notice from Greyhound about renewal of our account on August 1st (since they forced us to renew in July last year even though we were paid up til October). The price plan being offered is a continuation of our pay by lift plan with annual service charge - though both the annual charge and the black bin lift charge have increased. Absolutely no mention of pay by weight.

27-06-2017 6:16pm

New measures announced it seems. Flat fee bin charges are to be phased out. Pay by weight or pay per lift to be allowed. Standing charges allowed too.

So its a change on the pay by weight only system that was originally planned for.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/flatfee-bin-charges-to-be-banned-in-bid-to-increase-recycling-rates-35871506.html

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0627/886009-waste-charges/

Buffman · 27-06-2017 6:26pm

Deleted User wrote: »

New measures announced it seems.

Ye, saw that on the news, new or renewed fixed price contracts being banned from July, nice of the goverment to give us a whole four days notice.

Hermy · 27-06-2017 6:29pm

Any chance bin charges will be reduced under these new measures?

TallGlass · 27-06-2017 6:32pm

So same as last year.

Is this a joke? Do they not think we read the news or something, they have just opened a new incinerator in Rings End.

What really bugs me about this is, the government pushing there nose into the private industries business, when they handed it over to them cause they made a balls of running it.

I go past Sheriff St most days, they have an unmarked bin truck going around collecting the ****é people just **** out on the streets, no one seems to be enforcing anything down there. Can see this happening more over, I nearly collapsed with City Bin tryna get 30€ out of me for removing a bit of waste, sent them an email, they dropped it to 17€ PM, this is going to see my bills go sky high, and then the SC still on the bill, what a ****ing joke.

TallGlass · 27-06-2017 6:37pm

Hermy wrote: »

Any chance bin charges will be reduced under these new measures?

Highly doubt that, Standing Charge still there, then the bin company's own yearly fee, then pay by weight. Company's like to take advantage of confusion and sneak in an increase in prices for good measure.

Still have no idea how it's ment to decrease waste to landfill, people are not going to just stop throwing things out.

Where are the government measures for businesses to improve the stuff there using for packaging?

Start at the top of the chain, no point in going heavy after the end user, that 25kg of waste came from somewhere and ended up there, cut it at the source.

Where are incentives like, returning plastic bottles, cans, etc... ?

27-06-2017 6:40pm

TallGlass wrote: »

So same as last year.

Is this a joke? Do they not think we read the news or something, they have just opened a new incinerator in Rings End.

What really bugs me about this is, the government pushing there nose into the private industries business, when they handed it over to them cause they made a balls of running it.

I go past Sheriff St most days, they have an unmarked bin truck going around collecting the ****é people just **** out on the streets, no one seems to be enforcing anything down there. Can see this happening more over, I nearly collapsed with City Bin tryna get 30€ out of me for removing a bit of waste, sent them an email, they dropped it to 17€ PM, this is going to see my bills go sky high, and then the SC still on the bill, what a ****ing joke.

Not quite. Pay per lift systems will be allowed too.

Phil.x · 27-06-2017 6:40pm

Well fly tipping will increase for sure, like the song goes....dirty old town, dirty old town.

Hermy · 27-06-2017 6:45pm

TallGlass wrote: »

Highly doubt that, Standing Charge still there, then the bin company's own yearly fee, then pay by weight. Company's like to take advantage of confusion and sneak in an increase in prices for good measure.

We used to be just charged by the bin tag which came to a grand total of €98 a year. Then in came the new scheme last year and they were looking for €204 annually before we put out our first wheelie bin. Where's the sense in that?

TallGlass · 27-06-2017 6:53pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not quite. Pay per lift systems will be allowed too.

Pay per lift systems with a standing charge, yearly bin company fee and then more than likely a limit by the bin company if over a certain KG you'll then pay by KG. So same as paying per KG!

TallGlass · 27-06-2017 7:02pm

Phil.x wrote: »

Well fly tipping will increase for sure, like the song goes....dirty old town, dirty old town.

No need for fly tipping, around Sheriff ST certain people literally **** it out on the path. No joke same places each and everyday. Unmarked bin truck goes around and collects it. No need to go up mountains or that. Just chuck it on the kerb outside your house and nothing is seemingly done about it.

Mean while us who pay, are once again getting hammered with ridiculous charges.

27-06-2017 7:09pm

TallGlass wrote: »

Pay per lift systems with a standing charge, yearly bin company fee and then more than likely a limit by the bin company if over a certain KG you'll then pay by KG. So same as paying per KG!

Here in Dundalk, Ace Environmental charge €5 per month, then €7.50 per lift for a 140 ltr bin and €12.50 for a 240 ltr bin.

TallGlass · 27-06-2017 7:11pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Here in Dundalk, Ace Environmental charge €5 per month, then €7.50 per lift for a 140 ltr bin and €12.50 for a 240 ltr bin.

True. I am saying it won't be these prices after. Or suddenly around Oct we will all be getting emails telling us the bin company's can't afford the new government introductions.

i know u know · 27-06-2017 7:18pm

I got my renewal in the post today from barna waste for the 6 month renewal flat fee for the 6 months so the pay and weight isnt coming in with barna waste as I rang them and asked them

27-06-2017 7:22pm

TallGlass wrote: »

True. I am saying it won't be these prices after. Or suddenly around Oct we will all be getting emails telling us the bin company's can't afford the new government introductions.

Interesting to see what they do tbh. Their other collection system is a flat fee €30 pm method which will have to be changed under the new regulations. They don't do a pay by weight system currently.

TallGlass · 27-06-2017 7:26pm

i know u know wrote: »

I got my renewal in the post today from barna waste for the 6 month renewal flat fee for the 6 months so the pay and weight isnt coming in with barna waste as I rang them and asked them

I don't think they have a choice if and when it comes in to be honest.

27-06-2017 7:35pm

i know u know wrote: »

I got my renewal in the post today from barna waste for the 6 month renewal flat fee for the 6 months so the pay and weight isnt coming in with barna waste as I rang them and asked them

I'd guess they were unaware of the new regulations as they don't seem to have been made public until quite late in the day. Is your renewal date before or after 1st July? If its before, you might be able to stay on your flat fee rate until it expires.

One_Of_Shanks · 27-06-2017 9:58pm

My contract is up ON the 1st July. Of all dates.... And they've told me they're deducting 300 euro for the year for flat fee.

All a bit messy.

Phil.x · 27-06-2017 10:38pm

TallGlass wrote: »

No need for fly tipping, around Sheriff ST certain people literally **** it out on the path. No joke same places each and everyday. Unmarked bin truck goes around and collects it. No need to go up mountains or that. Just chuck it on the kerb outside your house and nothing is seemingly done about it.

Mean while us who pay, are once again getting hammered with ridiculous charges.

If I just chucked it onto the footpath outside my house it would be there for months, if not forever as fingal do next to nothing in the Dublin 15 area.

Phil.x · 27-06-2017 10:42pm

I just got this bill today, it will be very interesting to see what it goes up-to.

ednwireland · 27-06-2017 10:49pm

Considering I still buy a tag and put out a full wheelie bin every 2-3 months I still don't see where the improvement for me as a customer is.
I pay by volume at the moment, seems to me the new system basically allows the companies to slapan extra charge on anyway.

One_Of_Shanks · 28-06-2017 9:27am

Rang 2 (rural) companies this morning to see what prices they'd quote me for the pay by weight and they both said this new thing won't be coming in for at least a year with them so they gave me flat rate quotes instead.

Glad personally, but a bit confused. I thought it was meant to be starting from this July?

Johnsee · 28-06-2017 9:36am

A very vague announcement by the minister except :

The flat charge of approx €17 that I and many others availed off is gone and basically the government are handing over the setting of charges to the bin companies. Why dont you wash your hands minister and shut the door after you!! There is only one way this will go......!!

I recycle as best as I can, I compost and have a four legged creature to reduce food waste!!!

My major annoyance when this legislation was proposed the last time was the 'standing charge' and the concept of trying to recycle as much as possible and being charged for NOT putting out your bin. And then they wanted to charge you for your green bin as well...

So we wait with baited breath for the detail and the increased charges.......

Wanderer78 · 28-06-2017 9:57am

This 'polluter pays' principle is flawed, something must be done about the creators of our materials and products, I think we should also have a 'creator pays' principle. 'Taxing' the end user more will not solve these issues.

Johnsee · 28-06-2017 10:09am

@Wanderer78 totally agree with your sentiments.

There needs to be buy in from everyone...

1. Unrecyclable/uncompostable Coffee cups should be banned.
2. Food producers MUST be made make their packaging minimal/recyclable
3. Consumers should be allowed to return cans/bottles and be paid for it...
4. Standing charges should be abolished
5. Rigid enforcement and prosecution of fly tipping and causal dumping

Wanderer78 · 28-06-2017 10:23am

Johnsee wrote:

There needs to be buy in from everyone...

This will just cause a backlash from the end user, which is already happening, and understandable so. I can't understand why people in power don't get this, I've even heard people such as Joe Stigliz praising the polluter pays principle, we have to ditch this market knows best nonsense before we destroy our planet.

boardsuser1 · 28-06-2017 11:31am

My response to a local radio station here in Cork.

https://twitter.com/CorkTruckDriver/status/879995324688998401

firemansam4 · 28-06-2017 11:59am

Have to say that I never really understood how the pay by weight system was really going to reduce waste.
But I can see the rationale of banning a flat monthly charge, sure there are some people who would still recycle anyway, but there are many who don't bother at all because there is absulutely no incentive to recycle with a flat monthly charge.

But unfortunatly private companys will use it as an excuse to increase charges. It all should never have been privatised in the first place.

Wanderer78 · 28-06-2017 12:06pm

firemansam4 wrote: »

It all should never have been privatised in the first place.

theres growing evidence that privatisation of critical public services such as waste management is indeed failing as it creates the ideal conditions for profit maximisation for those private industries. i do suspect the polluter pays principle will also fail for these reasons.

Donal55 · 28-06-2017 5:50pm

Phil.x wrote: »

I just got this bill today, it will be very interesting to see what it goes up-to.

Varadkar has conceded that some bills will go up.
I'll hazard a guess and say that ALL bills will go up.

29-06-2017 9:20pm

Government changes its mind yet again. New system now not due to take effect until maybe September according to RTE News. Frances Fitzgerald spoke of "Autumn" in the Dail today.

EDIT: link to RTE news article: https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/0629/886537-waste-charges/

I'd agree with FF that at least there should be a waste regulator established since what is an essential service is in the hands of the private sector. They intend to have a motion in the Dail next week calling for no change until this regulator is established. I wouldn't be surprised if this whole issue is kicked into 2018.

taylor3 · 29-06-2017 9:41pm

Changes should be encouraged from the top for example I buy 6 pack of apples, punnett of strawberries, punnet of mandarin oranges in Tesco. Once I pay for them why don't shops allow you the option to take 2mins aside when you are packing to reef off the plastic packaging and dispose it in a recycling bin in store. Could also do the same to cardboard boxes from cereals, biscuits and I'm sure many more products. If you pack carefully your food won't get squshed. And let the big retailers take the hit for recycling. As Tesco keeps telling us 'Every little helps'. It sure would.

30-06-2017 1:38am

Some further information from the Irish Examiner. The 12 month price freeze agreed with the companies will end on Saturday, but the abolition of flat fee contracts won't happen till the autumn.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/pay-by-weight-waste-fees-plan-delayed-again-453767.html

Atlantic Dawn · 30-06-2017 1:40am

Will weights and measures certify each bin as legit?

Field east · 30-06-2017 6:51am

I assume that the bulk of the bin contents, be it black or/and green or/and brown, from all company's collecting in and around Dublin are delivering their loads to the new incinerator at Sandymount. Does anyone have any idea as to what the financial arrangement is per load/ton delivered. Do the bin companies get paid for it or is there a gate charge and if so is it cheaper or more expensive than the current landfill charges. AND do'nt tell me that this is commercially sensitive information

NinetyTwoTeam · 30-06-2017 7:16am

Green Star put up the standing charge every 6 months after it first was brought in that you had to sign up to a service. Pure gangsterism. Part of the reason is people are putting out the bins less due to recycling and the cost, so the general waste routes weren't making enough money. So they put the recycling bin cost up as well.

If the EU thought these measures would increase recycling and be good for the environment they really need a course in Irish cute hoorism 101

NinetyTwoTeam · 30-06-2017 7:20am

taylor3 wrote: »

Changes should be encouraged from the top for example I buy 6 pack of apples, punnett of strawberries, punnet of mandarin oranges in Tesco. Once I pay for them why don't shops allow you the option to take 2mins aside when you are packing to reef off the plastic packaging and dispose it in a recycling bin in store. Could also do the same to cardboard boxes from cereals, biscuits and I'm sure many more products. If you pack carefully your food won't get squshed. And let the big retailers take the hit for recycling. As Tesco keeps telling us 'Every little helps'. It sure would.

Im going to start doing this anyway, there's a bin outside the door at my Aldi, I often go in just for a few items for the dinner, I'll toss the boxes from frozen stuff on the way out, it's usually got a bag inside anyway.

Donal55 · 30-06-2017 7:26am

Naughton would be far better off trying to get those people who do not have bins or any type of dispoal in the first place rather than screwing those that already dispose of their waste responsibly.

Phil.x · 30-06-2017 8:33am

Can any gob****e be in government, seriously! At least with trades and other professions there's an apprenticeship or training to get you ready or weed you out.

These TD'S make my blood boil.

marketty · 30-06-2017 8:56am

Atlantic Dawn wrote:

Will weights and measures certify each bin as legit?

That's the least of my worries, my lowlife neighbours will be more than happy to fill up my bin after I leave it out at 7am and head to work. Disaster.

van_beano · 30-06-2017 9:22am

marketty wrote: »

That's the least of my worries, my lowlife neighbours will be more than happy to fill up my bin after I leave it out at 7am and head to work. Disaster.

There is these bin lock options https://purchase.ie/product/all-products/bin-lock

Or, instead of buying the lock, I would strongly consider topping up a half empty general waste bin with bags of recycled waste so no one can dump their rubbish into the bin. The recycle waste shouldn't be too heavy so shouldn't add to much to the monthly weight allowance. Obviously I wouldn't put the general waste into the recycled bin though, the green bin is never half empty anyways.

Phil.x · 30-06-2017 9:25am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Will weights and measures certify each bin as legit?

NSAI will test and calibrate these scales once per year and then do one random check in that year.

These are the words I got from naughten himself.

uck51js9zml2yt · 30-06-2017 9:40am

Phil.x wrote: »

Can any gob****e be in government, seriously! At least with trades and other professions there's an apprenticeship or training to get you ready or weed you out.

These TD'S make my blood boil.

You mean the ones you voted for/didn't vote for!*

*Delete as appropriate.:)

dbagman · 30-06-2017 9:59am

taylor3 wrote:

Changes should be encouraged from the top for example I buy 6 pack of apples, punnett of strawberries, punnet of mandarin oranges in Tesco. Once I pay for them why don't shops allow you the option to take 2mins aside when you are packing to reef off the plastic packaging and dispose it in a recycling bin in store. Could also do the same to cardboard boxes from cereals, biscuits and I'm sure many more products. If you pack carefully your food won't get squshed. And let the big retailers take the hit for recycling. As Tesco keeps telling us 'Every little helps'. It sure would.

That would cause chaos. Imagine the queues down the aisles as little old Mary, who struggles to pack her shopping at the best of times, is suddenly opening every little box and packet in her trolley to try save a few pounds of her pension money on waste.

One_Of_Shanks · 30-06-2017 10:17am

dbagman wrote: »

Imagine the queues down the aisles as little old Mary, who struggles to pack her shopping at the best of times, is suddenly opening every little box and packet in her trolley

Oh Mary, why don't you have some sense?

loyatemu · 30-06-2017 10:18am

I'm generally all for competition but having multiple bin companies running the same routes seems inherently wasteful. The councils should tender out the services for a particular area, with minimum standards and fixed fees for the period of the contract (and companies awarded the contracts should be registered and paying tax in the EU)

Pay by weight july 17

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