Cork GAA Discussion Thread

webels · 19-06-2017 02:03PM

thesultan wrote: »

How Waterford didn't mark the wing backs on Nash's puck outs? I thought Spillane's second yellow was very harsh. A free was justified punishment.. Coleman's use of the ball was very good, Good to see chalanane hold his own after the abuse he gets.. Hardnedy does some donkey work for yee, de burca seems like a man with his finger in the dam such was all the plugs he seemed to be filling.. I know Waterford were under pressure after five minutes, Cork were more up for it. Waterford should have been six down after half time.. Will Corks lack of goals cost them in the long run?

Great day for Cork for sure. Spillane however deserved the 2nd yellow. Could have ended badly if the man he upended landed on his head. A very dangerous tackle. His 1st yellow was also justified took one for the team there as a goal for waterford at that stage could have put a different complexion on the game. Waterford overall very poor with some mad calls from the line. As others have said no plan B. Overall very happy so from from where we have come.
Would love to see minors break through this year also.

Joe_ Public · 19-06-2017 05:20PM

willietherock wrote: »

that guy has nothing to do with fitness.
Deccie Sullivan of B'rock double jobbing between physio/fitness coach I believe.

As an amateur boxing fan, I followed Gary Keegan's progress with the HPU quite closely and couldn't praise him highly enough. He's basically a consultant, like the guy Jim Gavin had with the Dubs (Fergus Connolly) so there's nothing he wouldn't have an input into, including strength and conditioning. Was a very imaginative and eyecatching appointment by Kingston, the guy has real substance and I have no doubt he is making a contribution.

JesusRef · 20-06-2017 05:01PM

Waterford man here - firstly massive credit is due to Cork.

Cork went out against Tipp and Waterford in the same vein - as in they totally backed themselves, concentrated on themselves and didn't worry about the opposition, even with a bunch of young fell as.

It paid dividends both times - I must say I have great admiration for Kingston after this year, he has been very brave and got his just rewards.

Cork have been a victory for Hurling. Worrying about yourself and not the oppossition, hurling the ball, every man fighting to win his patch.

As is echoed by many of waterfords ex players in the last few days - we look on in envy as we are choked by systems and fear of who we are up against

zetecescort · 20-06-2017 07:45PM

JesusRef wrote: »

Waterford man here - firstly massive credit is due to Cork.

Cork went out against Tipp and Waterford in the same vein - as in they totally backed themselves, concentrated on themselves and didn't worry about the opposition, even with a bunch of young fell as.

It paid dividends both times - I must say I have great admiration for Kingston after this year, he has been very brave and got his just rewards.

Cork have been a victory for Hurling. Worrying about yourself and not the oppossition, hurling the ball, every man fighting to win his patch.

As is echoed by many of waterfords ex players in the last few days - we look on in envy as we are choked by systems and fear of who we are up against

there was a programme on RTE last night about the use of technology and statistics in training GAA teams and the Waterford setup were featured.

No doubt all teams are doing it to some degree but you'd wonder does McGrath rely on it too much?

zetecescort · 20-06-2017 08:15PM

Ephie Fitzgerald in todays paper says its "unlikely" Breige will return, Vera Foley unavailable for the rest of the year also

JesusRef · 21-06-2017 01:00AM

zetecescort wrote: »

JesusRef wrote: »

Waterford man here - firstly massive credit is due to Cork.

Cork went out against Tipp and Waterford in the same vein - as in they totally backed themselves, concentrated on themselves and didn't worry about the opposition, even with a bunch of young fell as.

It paid dividends both times - I must say I have great admiration for Kingston after this year, he has been very brave and got his just rewards.

Cork have been a victory for Hurling. Worrying about yourself and not the oppossition, hurling the ball, every man fighting to win his patch.

As is echoed by many of waterfords ex players in the last few days - we look on in envy as we are choked by systems and fear of who we are up against

there was a programme on RTE last night about the use of technology and statistics in training GAA teams and the Waterford setup were featured.

No doubt all teams are doing it to some degree but you'd wonder does McGrath rely on it too much?

Maybe so - to me Hurling is too random a game to obtain meaningful stats? (I am totally ignorant to stats so I am open to correction on this next point) like these stats are fine for games that are based on set plays, the only set play in hurling is the puck out and if a team decides to puck a ball to a corner back every time than what can the stats tell you?
To me McGrath got shown up big time on the line by the current Cork set-up.
For me in the stand Waterford went conventional 6 v 6 in the backs with Gleeson as a roving corner forward, DeBurca didn't act as a sweeper but man marked Lehane and got dragged all over the place leaving a gap in the centre, thats how I saw it but national commentators saw it differently based on what I have read in the meantime.
Kingston saw that Waterford wanted to give the Hurler of the year a roving role but he still backed an inexperienced back, just back from a serious injury to tag him and do the business, which he did - he trusted his players - McGrath doesnt.

Django99 · 21-06-2017 01:12AM

JesusRef wrote: »

Maybe so - to me Hurling is too random a game to obtain meaningful stats? (I am totally ignorant to stats so I am open to correction on this next point) like these stats are fine for games that are based on set plays, the only set play in hurling is the puck out and if a team decides to puck a ball to a corner back every time than what can the stats tell you?
To me McGrath got shown up big time on the line by the current Cork set-up.
For me in the stand Waterford went conventional 6 v 6 in the backs with Gleeson as a roving corner forward, DeBurca didn't act as a sweeper but man marked Lehane and got dragged all over the place leaving a gap in the centre, thats how I saw it but national commentators saw it differently based on what I have read in the meantime.
Kingston saw that Waterford wanted to give the Hurler of the year a roving role but he still backed an inexperienced back, just back from a serious injury to tag him and do the business, which he did - he trusted his players - McGrath doesnt.

I would say it's a bit naive to think hurling is too random for stats to be relevant. People have found relevant stats in the most complex things in the universe, I don't think hurling is anything too special to be above statistics.

While stats are very useful for puck outs (and other set plays in other sports) their main value comes in quantifying performance. Useful stats could include time in possession for individual players, the amount of possessions needed to move the ball from defence to attack, success rates of individual forwards per ball played into them etc. They do become complex but the information behind them can be worth the analysis.

Hurling is a little bit behind in this area, even behind Gaelic Football which is in itself behind most other sports at the top level. Most analysis is done generally and uses a lot of cliches like hunger and determination. While these are important factors, they're only half the story.

Obviously GAA being amateur games puts them at a disadvantage compared to soccer, rugby or American sports, but considering what teams spend on ridiculous things which are of little to no benefit to performance, it would most likely be a good investment for any county board to get a good statistician on board. And not just to count things like puck outs and hooks and blocks. Detailed video analysis can give very useful information, both on opponents and for teams themselves.

Meursault · 21-06-2017 01:52PM

JesusRef wrote: »

Waterford man here - firstly massive credit is due to Cork.

Cork went out against Tipp and Waterford in the same vein - as in they totally backed themselves, concentrated on themselves and didn't worry about the opposition, even with a bunch of young fell as.

It paid dividends both times - I must say I have great admiration for Kingston after this year, he has been very brave and got his just rewards.

Cork have been a victory for Hurling. Worrying about yourself and not the oppossition, hurling the ball, every man fighting to win his patch.

As is echoed by many of waterfords ex players in the last few days - we look on in envy as we are choked by systems and fear of who we are up against

Fair play to you JesusRef. Hopefully Waterford will bounce back. It would be great to see the Deise return to the freewheeling style that we all admired. Waterford have time to address the mistakes of last Sunday. Great summer of hurling ahead. Its wide open. I can see yourselves and Tipp having a big say in things yet.

Another positive performance by Cork. Hopefully they can build on it.

Hopefully the injury to Connor Lehane is not serious and he'll be back for the MF.

greenspurs · 21-06-2017 04:44PM

Doltanian wrote: »

Cork will win the All-Ireland and destroy Clare in the Munster Final..

WOW !! :eek:
Well done Cork,
Could be yere year. Because Kilkenny and Tipp are so poor !

:D

Producer Ben · 21-06-2017 08:51PM

Django99 wrote: »

I would say it's a bit naive to think hurling is too random for stats to be relevant. People have found relevant stats in the most complex things in the universe, I don't think hurling is anything too special to be above statistics.

While stats are very useful for puck outs (and other set plays in other sports) their main value comes in quantifying performance. Useful stats could include time in possession for individual players, the amount of possessions needed to move the ball from defence to attack, success rates of individual forwards per ball played into them etc. They do become complex but the information behind them can be worth the analysis.

Hurling is a little bit behind in this area, even behind Gaelic Football which is in itself behind most other sports at the top level. Most analysis is done generally and uses a lot of cliches like hunger and determination. While these are important factors, they're only half the story.

Obviously GAA being amateur games puts them at a disadvantage compared to soccer, rugby or American sports, but considering what teams spend on ridiculous things which are of little to no benefit to performance, it would most likely be a good investment for any county board to get a good statistician on board. And not just to count things like puck outs and hooks and blocks. Detailed video analysis can give very useful information, both on opponents and for teams themselves.

Stats are very useful in hurling.
I'm involved in stats for my club this year. Something that you mightn't realise in the course of a game is shot conversion percentages for example. Ours were poor at the start of the year, but having realised the problem we were able to tailor drills to fix the problem. In our first championship match we had a 85% conversion rate.

pakie ed · 24-06-2017 11:41AM

Stats are useful, but u cant make hurlers with them. Hurlers like Seanie o Leary would have a very low stats reading but what a leathel forward, one of the best Cork forward ever, he was feared by every club and county team.

zetecescort · 24-06-2017 08:40PM

The Barrs look looking like knocking out the Glen, leading 2-7 to 0-9 at halftime

The White Feather · 24-06-2017 09:00PM

Cork had a big win over Limerick in the Camogie Championship today

Cork 1-27 Limerick 0-11

From a match report......

It is Cork who are setting the early pace in Group 2 however, making it two from two in surprisingly easy fashion as they dispensed with Limerick by 1-27 to 0-11 at Páirc Uí Rinn.

While the Rebel win would not have been a surprise, the 19-point margin most certainly was, especially as Limerick had gotten the better of them in the Munster Final at the beginning of the month.

Paudie Murray would have been delighted with his charges in the first half as they accumulated a whopping 17 points, compared to just five for Limerick. It was a stroll in the second half and though Niamh Mulcahy scored seven points for the Shannonsiders, they were never in contention.
By contrast, Katrina Mackey, who passed a late fitness test, finished with 11 points while Orla Cotter scored a second-half goal to finish with 1-5. Amy O’Connor and Orla Cronin provided four points each.

While Cork are in the driving seat now for a place in the knockout stages and will be targeting direct qualification to the semi-finals, Limerick must win their last two games against Wexford and Tipperary to have a chance of reaching the quarters.

zetecescort · 24-06-2017 09:25PM

injury time goal for the Glen : St Finbarrs 4-11 Glen Rovers 1-22
Newtownshandrum 1-18 Youghal 1-13
Na Piarsaigh 1-29 Carbery 0-9
Bandon 2-18 Carrigtwohill 0-14
Bride Rovers 1-19 Avondhu 0-19

zetecescort · 25-06-2017 05:08PM

Erins Own 4-12 Midleton 2-18 FT. going to extra time. Conor Lehane didn't start.

zetecescort · 25-06-2017 05:33PM

Midleton 2-25 Erins Own 4-15 FT

Burial. · 25-06-2017 11:00PM

Newcestown beat CIT 2-17 to 1-14. Luke Meade scored four or five monstrous points from play. CIT with two red cards in the second half. Mark Coleman got 1-7 or 8 as Blarney lost to Mallow 5-18 to 1-21 in the PIHC. The two young lads putting in fine shifts for their clubs.

willietherock · 26-06-2017 05:49PM

Cork intercounty players gong v well for their clubs

Big game for the minors Thursday.

zetecescort · 26-06-2017 07:44PM

willietherock wrote: »

Cork intercounty players gong v well for their clubs

Big game for the minors Thursday.

are Lehane and Cooper the only ones who didn't play at the weekend?

willietherock · 26-06-2017 09:18PM

zetecescort wrote: »

are Lehane and Cooper the only ones who didn't play at the weekend?

yes

zetecescort · 26-06-2017 09:33PM

Cork Junior Football team to play Kerry in the Munster Junior Football Championship Final in Pairc Ui Rinn on tomorrow Tuesday 27th June @ 7.30pm has been announced as follows.

1. Anthony Casey - Kiskeam

2. Kieran Histon - Cobh

3. Peter Murphy - Bandon - Capt

4. Paraic Clancy - Fermoy

5. Darren O Regan - St. Vincents

6. Bart Daly - Newmarket

7. John Cronin - Lisgoold

8. Micheal O Leary - Naomh Aban

9. Ronan O Toole - Eire Og

10. Ryan Harkin - Mallow

11. Killian O Hanlon - Kilshannig

12. Roy Downey - Delaneys

13. Eoghan Buckley - St. Michaels

14. Seamus Hickey - Rockchapel

15. Anthony O Connor - Knocknagree

Subs:

16. Anthony Kidney - Passage West

17. Matthew Taylor - Mallow

18. Lorcan O Neill - Kanturk

19. Jason Collins - St. Marys

20. Diarmuid Colfer - Glanworth

21. Sean T. O Sullivan - Garnish

22. Mark Healy - Kanturk

23. Ronan O Callaghan - Fermoy

24. Matthew Bradley - Aghabullogue

No_Deal · 27-06-2017 02:23PM

Hi lads,

Apologies in advance for hijacking this thread but wondering could the good folk on here help me out.

Heading to Thurles Sunday week but trains are all but booked out; hoping to avoid the designated driver route but Thurles is not serviced by a Bus Eireann route - so I'm just wondering does anyone know of private coach companies who would be doing special services for the match??

Thanks in advance,

ND

Burial. · 27-06-2017 05:02PM

A lot of clubs will be running private buses up. If you're involved with any club in the county of some sort I'm sure they'll accommodate you.

zetecescort · 27-06-2017 07:25PM

No_Deal wrote: »

Hi lads,

Apologies in advance for hijacking this thread but wondering could the good folk on here help me out.

Heading to Thurles Sunday week but trains are all but booked out; hoping to avoid the designated driver route but Thurles is not serviced by a Bus Eireann route - so I'm just wondering does anyone know of private coach companies who would be doing special services for the match??

Thanks in advance,

ND

I booked train tickets last night no bother, they added carriages

zetecescort · 27-06-2017 08:21PM

second Cork goal just after halftime puts us 2-11 to 0-9 ahead

zetecescort · 27-06-2017 08:36PM

an incredible collapse means Kerry are 2 up, 2-14 to 2-12 after 45 min

zetecescort · 27-06-2017 08:43PM

Cork 1 up with 10 to go

ShamoBuc · 27-06-2017 08:52PM

Considering Cork were 5/1 to win all I can say is that was a great performance.

Cork 2-17v Kerry 2-17 ft

zetecescort · 27-06-2017 08:53PM

great first half and great to get a draw out of it at the end but it should never have come to that

DuffleBag · 27-06-2017 09:08PM

zetecescort wrote: »

great first half and great to get a draw out of it at the end but it should never have come to that

Theres extra time..

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