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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #6602
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,050 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Dcully wrote: »
    Our Monasterevin exchange is down for FTTH summer/spring 2018, what will the price be guys?

    eir's FTTH product is called fibre extreme, have a look at these documents for the various packages. They waive the install charge.

    https://www.eir.ie/opencms/export/sites/default/.content/pdf/pricing/Part3.1.pdf
    https://www.eir.ie/opencms/export/sites/default/.content/pdf/pricing/pt4.1.10.pdf

    Digiweb and Pure Telecom also resell FTTH. See their websites for pricing, install charge is 200euro I believe.


  • #6603
    Turfwarrior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭Turfwarrior


    Gonzo wrote: »
    I think this is the first Digiweb speedtest we've seen on the Open Eir Network? Also your speeds seem to be almost bang on 300 down and 30 up, do Digiweb have slightly different speed profiles than Eir?

    Because on Eir the 300 max's out at 286-290megs due to the overheads.

    Know someone who was on eirs FTTC and cab was about 50mtrs away but were only getting max 45DL / 12Ul..they made numerous phone calls about the speeds but eir said they should be happy with that speed, they switched to digiweb as soon as contract was up and now they have 85+DL /20 Ul..pings have also halfed..its the same network only diff is the Fritz router?! Do eir throttle their customers speeds?

    I will be going with eir for the free install but will be changing to didiweb for the better pings and truely unlimited usage when contract is up.

    KN lads in cherry picker cutting branches along the Laragh road heading to Clonfert yesterday...hopefully aerial teams are hot on their heels


  • #6604
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    Turfwarrior wrote: »
    Know someone who was on eirs FTTC and cab was about 50mtrs away but were only getting max 45DL / 12Ul..they made numerous phone calls about the speeds but eir said they should be happy with that speed, they switched to digiweb as soon as contract was up and now they have 85+DL /20 Ul..pings have also halted..its the same network only diff is the Fritz router?! Do eir throttle their customers speeds?

    I will be going with eir for the free install but will be changing to didiweb for the better pings and truely unlimited usage when contract is up.

    KN lads in cherry picker cutting branches along the Laragh road heading to Clonfert yesterday...hopefully aerial teams are hot on their heels
    Digiweb have the same usage as Eir


  • #6605
    Turfwarrior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭Turfwarrior


    rob808 wrote: »
    Digiweb have the same usage as Eir

    Thought it was posted here many moons ago that digiweb aren't capping usage at 1TB a month?


  • #6606
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    Turfwarrior wrote: »
    Thought it was posted here many moons ago that digiweb aren't capping usage at 1TB a month?
    The only ISP with unlimited usuage is westnet in Mayo the rest have a fair usage policy.


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  • #6607
    9726_9726
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭9726_9726


    MunsterCycling wrote: »
    This may have already been posted but any router that can have a VLAN set on the WAN port (VLAN 10 in Eir's case) can be used with FTTH. I have an EdgeRouter X SFP running mine right now, will be trying out my MikroTik in a little bit and pfSense after that.

    Cool. Let us know how you get on. Mikrotik would be the one I'd be interested in. Is it the same as FTTC where you just use vlan-id=10 and DHCP client? On FTTC this works for dynamic IP but not static.


  • #6608
    MunsterCycling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭MunsterCycling


    9726_9726 wrote: »
    Cool. Let us know how you get on. Mikrotik would be the one I'd be interested in. Is it the same as FTTC where you just use vlan-id=10 and DHCP client? On FTTC this works for dynamic IP but not static.


    Yup pretty much, I have had the same IP through many restarts and am using a NOIP updater for remote access.

    Will give the MikroTik a whirl there and report back. :D


  • #6609
    Ricta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭Ricta


    I have seen it said in this thread that the only people selling service on OpenEir's FTTH network are Eir, Digiweb, Net1, PureTelecom and Westnet; yet on Openeirs weppage, http://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/where-to-buy/ they list 18 vendors, including Vodafone.

    I rang Vodafone, who said they don't sell it and have no info on when they might be.

    Any thoughts why Openeir are listing vendors that are not selling it?


  • #6610
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Ricta wrote: »
    I have seen it said in this thread that the only people selling service on OpenEir's FTTH network are Eir, Digiweb, Net1, PureTelecom and Westnet; yet on Openeirs weppage, http://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/where-to-buy/ they list 18 vendors, including Vodafone.

    I rang Vodafone, who said they don't sell it and have no info on when they might be.

    Any thoughts why Openeir are listing vendors that are not selling it?

    Did you read the page? It details exactly the difference between vendors.

    Vodafone sells FTTC, so it has a square, they dont resell FTTH so dont have a circle.


  • #6611
    Ricta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭Ricta


    ED E wrote: »
    Did you read the page? It details exactly the difference between vendors.

    Vodafone sells FTTC, so it has a square, they dont resell FTTH so dont have a circle.

    Thanks for that ED E, it's a pity they didn't employ you to design their web page, you make it so much clearer.


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  • #6612
    Ricta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭Ricta


    If the installer only brings the fibre 1M into the attic, how is it teminated there?

    What kind of ports are presented for continueing cabling across the attic, RJ45 or fibre ports?

    I guess its the homeowner who then runs cabling from there across the attic down into sitting room to wifi router?


  • #6613
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭plodder


    Ricta wrote: »
    If the installer only brings the fibre 1M into the attic, how is it teminated there?

    What kind of ports are presented for continueing cabling across the attic, RJ45 or fibre ports?

    I guess its the homeowner who then runs cabling from there across the attic down into sitting room to wifi router?
    Not sure they will install in an attic, though some people managed to get it. What you get from openeir is ethernet through an rj45 port. Your retailer should provide a router which connects to that.


  • #6614
    Aspiring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭Aspiring


    Is it possible to get broadband only with FTTH. We got a leaflet through the door but there's no mention of broadband only.


  • #6615
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    Aspiring wrote: »
    Is it possible to get broadband only with FTTH. We got a leaflet through the door but there's no mention of broadband only.
    Yeah I think you can I have broadband only on adsl at the moment.


  • #6616
    yabadabado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,634 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    Aspiring wrote: »
    Is it possible to get broadband only with FTTH. We got a leaflet through the door but there's no mention of broadband only.

    It is ,they had 150mb for €50 a few weeks back.Just give them a call.


  • #6617
    Ricta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭Ricta


    plodder wrote: »
    Not sure they will install in an attic, though some people managed to get it.

    I initially thought they would run the fibre to where the master phone socket is located, then I saw on here, that due to potential fire hazard, they will not run across attics and stop 1M beyond the end of the ducting, that would be 1M into the attic if the ducting ended in the attic. Surely then they have no option but to terminate in the attic?

    What would be the case if the fibre ran from the pole to the apex of gable end and from thence into the attic via the soffit? Would they then have no option but to terminate 1M inside the attic?
    I'd imagine there are a lot of rural houses that do not have ducting ending in wall mounted external comms cabinets, if they won't terminate inside attics, how will these housholders comply with OpenEir's requirements to get FTTH?

    In my own case the ducting ends at the base of the external wall, the existing landline then was pulled up through the cavity, the cavity was (years) later filled with bonded-bead insulation! So I have to figure a way to get from the footpath to the attic, it looks like external ducting up to the soffit is my only option, and from there into the attic. If they won't terminate in the attic I don't know how I can get it.

    If anyone has any advice/suggestions for me about physically getting the fibre into the house I would appreciate them.


  • #6618
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Ricta wrote: »
    I initially thought they would run the fibre to where the master phone socket is located, then I saw on here, that due to potential fire hazard, they will not run across attics and stop 1M beyond the end of the ducting, that would be 1M into the attic if the ducting ended in the attic. Surely then they have no option but to terminate in the attic?

    What would be the case if the fibre ran from the pole to the apex of gable end and from thence into the attic via the soffit? Would they then have no option but to terminate 1M inside the attic?
    I'd imagine there are a lot of rural houses that do not have ducting ending in wall mounted external comms cabinets, if they won't terminate inside attics, how will these housholders comply with OpenEir's requirements to get FTTH?

    In my own case the ducting ends at the base of the external wall, the existing landline then was pulled up through the cavity, the cavity was (years) later filled with bonded-bead insulation! So I have to figure a way to get from the footpath to the attic, it looks like external ducting up to the soffit is my only option, and from there into the attic. If they won't terminate in the attic I don't know how I can get it.

    If anyone has any advice/suggestions for me about physically getting the fibre into the house I would appreciate them.

    They will more than likely want to ignore the ducting and run the cable externally then drill an access hole to get the cable in. That is the procedure that several posters have documented here.


  • #6619
    Ricta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭Ricta


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    They will more than likely want to ignore the ducting and run the cable externally then drill an access hole to get the cable in. That is the procedure that several posters have documented here.

    Unfortunatly for me, because there are trees between the pole and my house, the KN person doing the install for next door said they would not run it externally to me, it would have to be ducted. He was busy with the install so I couldn't quiz him in detail about how the install might work for my house as the ducting ends at the base of the external wall.


  • #6620
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,081 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Ricta wrote: »
    I initially thought they would run the fibre to where the master phone socket is located, then I saw on here, that due to potential fire hazard, they will not run across attics and stop 1M beyond the end of the ducting, that would be 1M into the attic if the ducting ended in the attic. Surely then they have no option but to terminate in the attic?

    What would be the case if the fibre ran from the pole to the apex of gable end and from thence into the attic via the soffit? Would they then have no option but to terminate 1M inside the attic?
    I'd imagine there are a lot of rural houses that do not have ducting ending in wall mounted external comms cabinets, if they won't terminate inside attics, how will these housholders comply with OpenEir's requirements to get FTTH?

    In my own case the ducting ends at the base of the external wall, the existing landline then was pulled up through the cavity, the cavity was (years) later filled with bonded-bead insulation! So I have to figure a way to get from the footpath to the attic, it looks like external ducting up to the soffit is my only option, and from there into the attic. If they won't terminate in the attic I don't know how I can get it.

    If anyone has any advice/suggestions for me about physically getting the fibre into the house I would appreciate them.

    if they come through the ducting they will likely want to go through the wall near the end of the duct.
    They could put the external unit on the wall.


  • #6621
    Ricta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭Ricta


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    if they come through the ducting they will likely want to go through the wall near the end of the duct.
    They could put the external unit on the wall.

    Are there any photos, of these external units? If I knew what it was like I might be able to devise the best way to get UTP cable to it. Getting the network into my attic would suit me best, that's where my ethernet switch is.


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  • #6622
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,081 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Ricta wrote: »
    Are there any photos, of these external units? If I knew what it was like I might be able to devise the best way to get UTP cable to it. Getting the network into my attic would suit me best, that's where my ethernet switch is.

    I recall one pic but cannot seem to locate it presently.

    These pics show what goes inside as well as an indication of the outside box ...

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=103330206&postcount=5252


  • #6623
    Ricta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭Ricta


    thanks Johnboy1951, it's getting clearer. Fibre through duct to ETU on wall, ETU is just an empty box with a door. Fibre continues through hole in wall at back of ETU to ODP mounted on internal wall behind it, fibre patch lead 1M from ODP to ONT (powered), UTP from there to Wifi Router.

    I can see why they would be reluctant to put the powered ONT in the attic. I can now have a rethink about drilling through the wall even though this will be creating a cold bridge through the insulation, and then run UTP from the ONT into the attic to my switch. In my case the ONT would be in a bedroom at the wrong end of a bungalow.

    It would be interesting to know how deep the ETU box is, I would consider recessing it rather than having it surface mounted on the wall. I have 100mm external insulation, maybe that would be deep enough for the box.

    just found this http://www.reci.ie/Portals/0/Documents/eircominterface.pdf with specs for ETU.

    Looks to me now that the install of the ETU is the homeowners responsibility, just like the ducting. Would this be true?


  • #6624
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Ricta wrote: »
    thanks Johnboy1951, it's getting clearer. Fibre through duct to ETU on wall, ETU is just an empty box with a door. Fibre continues through hole in wall at back of ETU to ODP mounted on internal wall behind it, fibre patch lead 1M from ODP to ONT (powered), UTP from there to Wifi Router.

    I can see why they would be reluctant to put the powered ONT in the attic. I can now have a rethink about drilling through the wall even though this will be creating a cold bridge through the insulation, and then run UTP from the ONT into the attic to my switch. In my case the ONT would be in a bedroom at the wrong end of a bungalow.

    It would be interesting to know how deep the ETU box is, I would consider recessing it rather than having it surface mounted on the wall. I have 100mm external insulation, maybe that would be deep enough for the box.

    just found this http://www.reci.ie/Portals/0/Documents/eircominterface.pdf with specs for ETU.

    Looks to me now that the install of the ETU is the homeowners responsibility, just like the ducting. Would this be true?

    Here is one:

    https://www.goodwins.ie/products/white-telecom-cable-etu-box-only-2370910.html

    175mm depth so you may be out of luck. Also don't expect any installer to do this work for you. If they come and there is not an easy way to get the cable into your premises they will just refuse to install.


  • #6625
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,081 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Ricta wrote: »
    thanks Johnboy1951, it's getting clearer. Fibre through duct to ETU on wall, ETU is just an empty box with a door. Fibre continues through hole in wall at back of ETU to ODP mounted on internal wall behind it, fibre patch lead 1M from ODP to ONT (powered), UTP from there to Wifi Router.

    I can see why they would be reluctant to put the powered ONT in the attic. I can now have a rethink about drilling through the wall even though this will be creating a cold bridge through the insulation, and then run UTP from the ONT into the attic to my switch. In my case the ONT would be in a bedroom at the wrong end of a bungalow.

    It would be interesting to know how deep the ETU box is, I would consider recessing it rather than having it surface mounted on the wall. I have 100mm external insulation, maybe that would be deep enough for the box.

    just found this http://www.reci.ie/Portals/0/Documents/eircominterface.pdf with specs for ETU.

    Looks to me now that the install of the ETU is the homeowners responsibility, just like the ducting. Would this be true?

    That refers to the requirement for each new build to have a 'telephone' box as well as an 'electric box' fitted in preparation for services. It has been in force for a couple of decades (+) I believe.


  • #6626
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,050 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    if they come through the ducting they will likely want to go through the wall near the end of the duct.
    They could put the external unit on the wall.
    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    I recall one pic but cannot seem to locate it presently.

    open-eir don't install an external box, the pic you're referring to was a SIRO install IIRC.


  • #6627
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,050 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Aspiring wrote: »
    Is it possible to get broadband only with FTTH. We got a leaflet through the door but there's no mention of broadband only.

    You'll find the various standalone and bundle pricing for their FTTH Fibre Extreme product in these documents, discounts may apply in some cases. They currently waive the install fee.

    https://www.eir.ie/opencms/export/sites/default/.content/pdf/pricing/Part3.1.pdf
    https://www.eir.ie/opencms/export/sites/default/.content/pdf/pricing/pt4.1.10.pdf


  • #6628
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭plodder


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    That refers to the requirement for each new build to have a 'telephone' box as well as an 'electric box' fitted in preparation for services. It has been in force for a couple of decades (+) I believe.
    Right. I don't think that would apply to existing installations. My 60+ year old house doesn't have one, and I presume they don't expect me to install one.


  • #6629
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,050 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    IIRC there is a pic here of an install, maybe Gonzo's, where they ran the fibre cable externally to a point outside his office/room and drilled through the wall there.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=103160217&postcount=4614

    fibredrillhole.jpg


  • #6630
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,050 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    plodder wrote: »
    I don't think that would apply to existing installations. My 60+ year old house doesn't have one, and I presume they don't expect me to install one.
    New builds only.


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  • #6631
    MunsterCycling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭MunsterCycling


    All depends if the installer told KN in their install report that they ran cable through attic.

    My installer (42 years in telecoms) said that he wasn't allowed to install through attic and had heard from colleagues that had to go back and redo the install as they had gone through the attic. It comes down to this: If you want the install to proceed on the day, have it planned for them to drill the external wall and terminate 1m inside building where there needs to be power.

    They installed a pole for me and then ran it under soffet down to where it could come through wall right next to my network cabinet. Very happy with the connection and the installation. External hole was properly sealed after the install and drip loop properly formed.


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