Council Estates

MRnotlob606 · 25-06-2017 11:05AM #1

How do people here find Council Estates? or what are your experiences of them?/

I live in one atm and I find them to be quite noisy. Some the children here should be taught manners and people should know put muzzles on dogs.

Can be a strong sense of community though. There's a lot of people would help you if your stuck.

Peregrine · 25-06-2017 11:17AM

There are plenty of decent people living in them. However, it has been proven time and again that 100% social housing areas don't work. On top of a larger amount of anti-social behaviour than private housing, they foster stigmas and divides. Which, again, feed back into the causes of anti-social behaviour.

Mixing social housing with private housing by making developers set aside 10-20% of units for local councils to purchase is definitely the way forward.

One eyed Jack · 25-06-2017 11:19AM

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

How do people here find Council Estates? or what are your experiences of them?/

I live in one atm and I find them to be quite noisy. Some the children here should be taught manners and people should know put muzzles on dogs.

Can be a strong sense of community though. There's a lot of people would help you if your stuck.

My experiences would be pretty much the same, but I don't mind noisy children, and the majority of them are very polite, mannerly and respectful. There's always just that one family though who try and ruin it for everyone else, but as you say - strong sense of community spirit and helping each other out.

GerryDerpy · 25-06-2017 11:24AM

As said above 100% council housing is a disaster. The risk of getting multiple scum families on the same street is too high.

MilesMorales1 · 25-06-2017 11:36AM

I grew up on one in Birkenhead (In the UK)
Lot of great hard working people there, but a minority dragged the whole area down.

BillyBobBS · 25-06-2017 11:42AM

Small estates with no more than 100 houses 50% private 50% council are the way to move forward imo. Also employ the Dutch scumtown model where you build one or two massive sinkhole council estates in a city and anyone acting the maggot in other council housing is threatened with eviction and relocation to these areas. Basically these areas are so bad the actual thought of ending up there makes council residents behave that otherwise might not be the case.

Sosurface · 25-06-2017 11:42AM

Peregrine wrote: »

There are plenty of decent people living in them. However, it has been proven time and again that 100% social housing areas don't work. On top of a larger amount of anti-social behaviour than private housing, they foster stigmas and divides. Which, again, feed back into the causes of anti-social behaviour.

Mixing social housing with private housing by making developers set aside 10-20% of units for local councils to purchase is definitely the way forward.

That doesnt really work though in practice. Especially with the very Irish, very post celtic tiger workaround created to allow developers buy out of the clause. A most unpleasant mix of snobbery and NIMBYism.

limnam · 25-06-2017 11:45AM

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

How do people here find Council Estates?

The same as "private" estates.

Some good, some bad.

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

I live in one atm and I find them to be quite noisy. Some the children here should be taught manners and people should know put muzzles on dogs.

I live in a private estate atm and see all the above issues.

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Can be a strong sense of community though. There's a lot of people would help you if your stuck.

Sounds like they're pretty much identical then.

Wheeliebin30 · 25-06-2017 11:50AM

Sosurface wrote: »

That doesnt really work though in practice. Especially with the very Irish, very post celtic tiger workaround created to allow developers buy out of the clause. A most unpleasant mix of snobbery and NIMBYism.

That's not allowed anymore.

Every new build has to be 10% at least.

So you pay full whack mortgage of probably 1200 euro a month while your neighbour pays 40 euro a week for the exact same house.

Excellent.

Collie D · 25-06-2017 11:53AM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

That's not allowed anymore.

Every new build has to be 10% at least.

So you pay full whack mortgage of probably 1200 euro a month while your neighbour pays 40 euro a week for the exact same house.

Excellent.

A house which you will own and be able to sell should you choose.

Sosurface · 25-06-2017 11:55AM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

That's not allowed anymore.

Every new build has to be 10% at least.

So you pay full whack mortgage of probably 1200 euro a month while your neighbour pays 40 euro a week for the exact same house.

Excellent.

You're a hero. Give yourself a firm pat on the back.

Samaris · 25-06-2017 12:00PM

Yeah, the bitching about "they didn't pay for their house like I did" stuff gets old after a bit. The person that pays their house out ends up owning a house. They get a significant amount of good deal out of that. The ones that don't, won't, but they get to rent a long-term dry roof over their heads, even if they never own a house.

I really could not be bothered with looking down my nose at neighbours who are council-renting rather than buying their houses out. Doesn't affect me, I'm paying for my own future and if a side-effect of that is some of the money from buying out being used for the upkeep of the unbuyable houses, that actually doesn't bother me at all. I'll be happy enough if I can afford to pay out my own housing cost (and get a house out of it at the end).

And it is a lot better than the other solution - cram the poor into ****ty blocks or council estates and leave them rot.

GerryDerpy · 25-06-2017 12:00PM

Collie D wrote: »

A house which you will own and be able to sell should you choose.

So when you rent privately can you get away with 40 a week? Can't sell it on either.

GerryDerpy · 25-06-2017 12:03PM

Samaris wrote: »

Yeah, the bitching about "they didn't pay for their house like I did" stuff gets old after a bit. The person that pays their house out ends up owning a house. They get a significant amount of good deal out of that. The ones that don't, won't, but they get to rent a long-term dry roof over their heads, even if they never own a house.

I really could not be bothered with looking down my nose at neighbours who are council-renting rather than buying their houses out. Doesn't affect me, I'm paying for my own future and if a side-effect of that is some of the money from buying out being used for the upkeep of the unbuyable houses, that actually doesn't bother me at all. I'll be happy enough if I can afford to pay out my own housing cost (and get a house out of it at the end).

And it is a lot better than the other solution - cram the poor into ****ty blocks or council estates and leave them rot.

I'm all for that but you still have the cnuts moaning about inequality in Ireland. Give back your near free accommodation if you want equality.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 25-06-2017 12:03PM

I don't have any personal experience with them. My friend lived in one, at the start if I was staying there overnight I wouldn't park my car there but they seemed not to sh1t on their own doorstep in that estate but you'd see mad stuff altogether. Junkies knocking on the door asking for random things, travellers brawling in the green. She liked living there, people stuck together and seemed to get on well.

I live in an estate at the moment but it's private, and I like it. There's one or two rough families that i know of but thankfully the council doesn't seem to have taken over the estate like they've done with a few other private estates in the town. My neighbours are nice, don't live in each other's pockets, kids are well behaved and the area is well maintained.

There is another estate that was built just before the recession, lots of houses empty so the council bought up a lot of them and has basically turned most of it into a council estate. There's a chunk of houses people would have bought before thia happened and now they're left with houses worth a lot less than they paid for them, living in an estate that resembles little beruit

Skihunta13 · 25-06-2017 12:04PM

Collie D wrote: »

A house which you will own and be able to sell should you choose.

Who would buy it when 5 of your neighbours are called John Joe Nevin and all ranging in age from 17 to 70? Kids toys thrown across the driveway. Horses eating off the green.

Collie D · 25-06-2017 12:06PM

Was obvious as soon as I read the title which way this thread would go.

Not sure why I bothered but I'm out

limnam · 25-06-2017 12:07PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I don't have any personal experience with them. My friend lived in one, at the start if I was staying there overnight I wouldn't park my car there but they seemed not to sh1t on their own doorstep in that estate but you'd see mad stuff altogether. Junkies knocking on the door asking for random things, travellers brawling in the green. She liked living there, people stuck together and seemed to get on well.

Never seen or heard of any of this in any council estate I lived in.

But in the private estate I do have constant do gooders looking for money for all sorts. Had my bins stolen :eek:. Someone even hurt my feelings once.

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I
I live in an estate at the moment but it's private, and I like it. There's one or two rough families that i know of but thankfully the council doesn't seem to have taken over the estate like they've done with a few other private estates in the town. My neighbours are nice, don't live in each other's pockets, kids are well behaved and the area is well maintained.

Can you define a "rough" family? what makes them rough?

I just want to be able to identify any around the place so I can write to the housing committee.

Skihunta13 · 25-06-2017 12:07PM

Collie D wrote: »

Was obvious as soon as I read the title which way this thread would go.

Not sure why I bothered but I'm out

Did someone get offended with reality??? Grow up!

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 25-06-2017 12:09PM

limnam wrote: »

Never seen or heard of any of this in an council estate I lived in.

Really? There must be more than one council estate in that case.

Collie D · 25-06-2017 12:11PM

Skihunta13 wrote: »

Did someone get offended with reality??? Grow up!

Not at all. Gerry Derpy made a fair point in response to my post. Yours was just a massive generalisation and not what I'd call reality.

limnam · 25-06-2017 12:11PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Really? There must be more than one council estate in that case.

Thanks for proving the point. There is.

Some have issues, some don't. Exactly the same as the private.

Skihunta13 · 25-06-2017 12:13PM

Collie D wrote: »

Not at all. Gerry Derpy made a fair point in response to my post. Yours was just a massive generalisation and not what I'd call reality.

You are the one painting all with the one brush! Just because you know one decent council estate family does not mean they are all decent.

Collie D · 25-06-2017 12:17PM

Skihunta13 wrote: »

You are the one painting all with the one brush! Just because you know one decent council estate family does not mean they are all decent.

What are you on about? I'm well aware there are good and bad in council estates. I didn't say anything to remotely imply otherwise...and you're still generalising. But good to see you accept there is "one decent council estate family". You're making progress

Wheeliebin30 · 25-06-2017 12:20PM

Samaris wrote: »

Yeah, the bitching about "they didn't pay for their house like I did" stuff gets old after a bit. The person that pays their house out ends up owning a house. They get a significant amount of good deal out of that. The ones that don't, won't, but they get to rent a long-term dry roof over their heads, even if they never own a house.

I really could not be bothered with looking down my nose at neighbours who are council-renting rather than buying their houses out. Doesn't affect me, I'm paying for my own future and if a side-effect of that is some of the money from buying out being used for the upkeep of the unbuyable houses, that actually doesn't bother me at all. I'll be happy enough if I can afford to pay out my own housing cost (and get a house out of it at the end).

And it is a lot better than the other solution - cram the poor into ****ty blocks or council estates and leave them rot.

Most people have bought their social house for up to 60% discount.

The figures are there on Dublin city council website.

Pretty sure if people went to buy a car and seen someone getting the same one for a fraction of the cost they would feel ripped off, no?

Or is everyone content to pay more for stuff than others?

Yourself isit · 25-06-2017 12:21PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Most people have bought their social house for us to 60% discount.

The figures are there on Dublin city council website.

Pretty sure if people went to buy a car and seen someone getting the same one for a fraction de the cost they would feel ripped off, no?

Or is everyone content to pay more for stuff than others?

Council houses should never have been sold. That's different from letting people live in one.

Skihunta13 · 25-06-2017 12:23PM

Collie D wrote: »

What are you on about? I'm well aware there are good and bad in council estates. I didn't say anything to remotely imply otherwise...and you're still generalising. But good to see you accept there is "one decent council estate family". You're making progress

I said you know 1 decent council estate family.

My point is as soon as you introduce council houses into a private estate you seriously devalue all houses in that estate. House should gain in value. What makes it worse is the cause of your house being devalued only pays €40 pr week.
No they will neverown the house but whats the advantage in that when it will be valued well below market value!

Wheeliebin30 · 25-06-2017 12:23PM

Yourself isit wrote: »

Council houses should never have been sold. That's different from letting people live in one.

Well they were and they still are.

For a 60% discount compared to private sales.

It's unfair no matter how people try sugar coat it.

limnam · 25-06-2017 12:24PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Most people have bought their social house for us to 60% discount.

The figures are there on Dublin city council website.

Pretty sure if people went to buy a car and seen someone getting the same one for a fraction de the cost they would feel ripped off, no?

Or is everyone content to pay more for stuff than others?

Utter nonsense.

Do you feel ripped off if the pensioner getting on the bus doesn't pay and you do?

Someone paying for bread and milk with unemployment benefit ?

You're in your position, they're in theirs. If you prefer there's join the gravy train. :rolleyes:

Wheeliebin30 · 25-06-2017 12:25PM

Skihunta13 wrote: »

I said you know 1 decent council estate family.

My point is as soon as you introduce council houses into a private estate you seriously devalue all houses in that estate. House should gain in value. What makes it worse is the cause of your house being devalued only pays €40 pr week.
No they will neverown the house but whats the advantage in that when it will be valued well below market value!

The majority of council estates are lived in by people who now own the houses.

Don't believe this spin that just because you have a mortgage you will own the house unlike someone renting.

Eventually they get the option to buy the house.

Wheeliebin30 · 25-06-2017 12:27PM

limnam wrote: »

Utter nonsense.

Do you feel ripped off if the pensioner getting on the bus doesn't pay and you do?

Someone paying for bread and milk with unemployment benefit ?

You're in your position, they're in theirs. If you prefer there's join the gravy train. :rolleyes:

What about the people are who able bodied, never worked a day in their lives or who pop out 4 kids expecting to be housed for life.

Or am I just referring to pensioners because I'm cruel?

Even though I never mentioned pensioners.

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