MRnotlob606 wrote: » How do people here find Council Estates? or what are your experiences of them?/ I live in one atm and I find them to be quite noisy. Some the children here should be taught manners and people should know put muzzles on dogs. Can be a strong sense of community though. There's a lot of people would help you if your stuck.
Peregrine wrote: » There are plenty of decent people living in them. However, it has been proven time and again that 100% social housing areas don't work. On top of a larger amount of anti-social behaviour than private housing, they foster stigmas and divides. Which, again, feed back into the causes of anti-social behaviour. Mixing social housing with private housing by making developers set aside 10-20% of units for local councils to purchase is definitely the way forward.
MRnotlob606 wrote: » How do people here find Council Estates?
MRnotlob606 wrote: » I live in one atm and I find them to be quite noisy. Some the children here should be taught manners and people should know put muzzles on dogs.
MRnotlob606 wrote: » Can be a strong sense of community though. There's a lot of people would help you if your stuck.
Sosurface wrote: » That doesnt really work though in practice. Especially with the very Irish, very post celtic tiger workaround created to allow developers buy out of the clause. A most unpleasant mix of snobbery and NIMBYism.
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » That's not allowed anymore. Every new build has to be 10% at least. So you pay full whack mortgage of probably 1200 euro a month while your neighbour pays 40 euro a week for the exact same house. Excellent.
Collie D wrote: » A house which you will own and be able to sell should you choose.
Samaris wrote: » Yeah, the bitching about "they didn't pay for their house like I did" stuff gets old after a bit. The person that pays their house out ends up owning a house. They get a significant amount of good deal out of that. The ones that don't, won't, but they get to rent a long-term dry roof over their heads, even if they never own a house. I really could not be bothered with looking down my nose at neighbours who are council-renting rather than buying their houses out. Doesn't affect me, I'm paying for my own future and if a side-effect of that is some of the money from buying out being used for the upkeep of the unbuyable houses, that actually doesn't bother me at all. I'll be happy enough if I can afford to pay out my own housing cost (and get a house out of it at the end). And it is a lot better than the other solution - cram the poor into ****ty blocks or council estates and leave them rot.
LexieOnRale wrote: » I don't have any personal experience with them. My friend lived in one, at the start if I was staying there overnight I wouldn't park my car there but they seemed not to sh1t on their own doorstep in that estate but you'd see mad stuff altogether. Junkies knocking on the door asking for random things, travellers brawling in the green. She liked living there, people stuck together and seemed to get on well.
LexieOnRale wrote: » I I live in an estate at the moment but it's private, and I like it. There's one or two rough families that i know of but thankfully the council doesn't seem to have taken over the estate like they've done with a few other private estates in the town. My neighbours are nice, don't live in each other's pockets, kids are well behaved and the area is well maintained.
Collie D wrote: » Was obvious as soon as I read the title which way this thread would go. Not sure why I bothered but I'm out
limnam wrote: » Never seen or heard of any of this in an council estate I lived in.
Skihunta13 wrote: » Did someone get offended with reality??? Grow up!
LexieOnRale wrote: » Really? There must be more than one council estate in that case.
Collie D wrote: » Not at all. Gerry Derpy made a fair point in response to my post. Yours was just a massive generalisation and not what I'd call reality.
Skihunta13 wrote: » You are the one painting all with the one brush! Just because you know one decent council estate family does not mean they are all decent.
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » Most people have bought their social house for us to 60% discount. The figures are there on Dublin city council website. Pretty sure if people went to buy a car and seen someone getting the same one for a fraction de the cost they would feel ripped off, no? Or is everyone content to pay more for stuff than others?
Collie D wrote: » What are you on about? I'm well aware there are good and bad in council estates. I didn't say anything to remotely imply otherwise...and you're still generalising. But good to see you accept there is "one decent council estate family". You're making progress
Yourself isit wrote: » Council houses should never have been sold. That's different from letting people live in one.
Skihunta13 wrote: » I said you know 1 decent council estate family. My point is as soon as you introduce council houses into a private estate you seriously devalue all houses in that estate. House should gain in value. What makes it worse is the cause of your house being devalued only pays €40 pr week. No they will neverown the house but whats the advantage in that when it will be valued well below market value!
limnam wrote: » Utter nonsense. Do you feel ripped off if the pensioner getting on the bus doesn't pay and you do? Someone paying for bread and milk with unemployment benefit ? You're in your position, they're in theirs. If you prefer there's join the gravy train. :rolleyes:
