Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

Call Me Jimmy · 21-06-2017 03:05AM

martyos121 · 21-06-2017 03:05AM

Django99 wrote: »

Well if we take emotion out of opinion and use just logic, the above is the only conclusion you could come to. The fact that McGregor doesn't belong in the ring with Mayweather is in no way a put down to McGregor. Some of the names you have mentioned above are some a time boxing greats, and they didn't look like they belonged in the ring with Mayweather.

The McGregor attitude of nothing is impossible is a noble one, no doubt. And it's gotten him to the top of the MMA world, first time two belt holder, knocked out an MMA legend in 13 seconds, put on great shows against Diaz even in defeat, headlined the first MMA card in MSG. All extraordinary achievements.

But to think he is the man to finally defeat Mayweather is delusional. There is no logical way to make him anything but a 20/1+ outsider (I make him much, much higher odds than that).

The fact that the fight is happening, and that it will probably be in the top two selling boxing PPVs of all time, shows that the general public do not understand combat sports. They do not seem to realise that boxing and MMA are different sports.

The fact that you can back Mayweather as long as 1/6 suggests the bookies don't understand combat sports either. If I wasn't afraid of the possibility of shenanigans in this bout, I would genuinely put everything I own on it, and whatever I could loan. In a proper contest, he's 1/50 at worst, but given the money surrounding this and the money a potential rematch will do, myself and many others will probably have to bet somewhat conservatively, just in case.

Django99 · 21-06-2017 03:14AM

martyos121 wrote: »

The fact that you can back Mayweather as long as 1/6 suggests the bookies don't understand combat sports either. If I wasn't afraid of the possibility of shenanigans in this bout, I would genuinely put everything I own on it, and whatever I could loan. In a proper contest, he's 1/50 at worst, but given the money surrounding this and the money a potential rematch will do, myself and many others will probably have to bet somewhat conservatively, just in case.

The bookies don't fix the price based on the probability of an event alone though, they base it on the money being placed and all the money is going on McGregor.

I have the same fears as you, and I'd also put literally everything I own on Mayweather at 1/6 if I could.

martyos121 · 21-06-2017 03:37AM

Django99 wrote: »

The bookies don't fix the price based on the probability of an event alone though, they base it on the money being placed and all the money is going on McGregor.

I have the same fears as you, and I'd also put literally everything I own on Mayweather at 1/6 if I could.

Fair point, there are a number of factors that go into a price. The fact that he's so long suggests that there's a ridiculous amount going on Conor to win this, and that beggars belief to be honest. I can't imagine any high rollers even considering a wager on McGregor so it must be a huge amount of normal enough bets going on him. I've seen a few already pop up on my Facebook feed but if people are confident enough in the integrity of the fight to back Mayweather, these idiots are doing others a big favour.

Django99 · 21-06-2017 03:59AM

martyos121 wrote: »

Fair point, there are a number of factors that go into a price. The fact that he's so long suggests that there's a ridiculous amount going on Conor to win this, and that beggars belief to be honest. I can't imagine any high rollers even considering a wager on McGregor so it must be a huge amount of normal enough bets going on him. I've seen a few already pop up on my Facebook feed but if people are confident enough in the integrity of the fight to back Mayweather, these idiots are doing others a big favour.

I can't remember where I saw it but an American bookie has said that their liability on a McGregor win is huge at the moment but they expect the cash to come in for Floyd closer to the fight. I would imagine the 1/6 price will be smashed fight week, the high rollers will surely see it as a sure thing.

EagererBeaver · 21-06-2017 05:27AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

I'd love to hear someone explain to me why Conor couldn't land the shot Judah landed in identical circumstances. He's an accurate puncher and there was no sophistication or footwork involved from Zab.

Because Judah was an elite, world class, P4P top 10 boxer, the Baldomir loss notwithstanding. McGregor is not. Simple. McGregor being accurate and firing off shots (timing, precision etc etc etc) against Aldo and Diaz and Alvarez isn't comparable to Judah landing on Mayweather.

As Malignaggi has been saying repeatedly, there are levels to this thing.

Gamebred · 21-06-2017 11:01AM

@Wonder sure Buster Douglas was a massive shock but you forgot to mention Mike Tyson was on a coke binge and didnt train for that fight, they put a paid open workout on and Tyson was getting smacked around an hour in and they had to stop the thing, Mayweather isnt out on coke or not training,

Jab Zudah as mentioned is a multiple time world champion, Conor out striking people like Alvarez Mendes and Holloway means jack for obvious reasons, wrestlers who have over hand rights, I think you know deep down hes going to get absolutely hammered I honestly wouldnt take 100/1 about him beating Mayweather, I would back a 50 year Floyd to beat him never mind 40 look at Bernard Hopkins hes about 50 and still at the top till recently.

walshb · 21-06-2017 11:02AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Because Judah was an elite, world class, P4P top 10 boxer, the Baldomir loss notwithstanding. McGregor is not. Simple. McGregor being accurate and firing off shots (timing, precision etc etc etc) against Aldo and Diaz and Alvarez isn't comparable to Judah landing on Mayweather.

As Malignaggi has been saying repeatedly, there are levels to this thing.

Seems so obvious to me.......

Mayweather should have no bother doing a James Toney here and standing right in front of Conor and beating him up. If Conor decides to play it safe and move a bit then Floyd should have no bother walking him down and beating him up.

Oh, of course Conor could land the hail mary shot just like the world could end tomorrow. There is always a chance.

Oh, and James Buster Douglas was a world ranked elite HW fighter who fought out of his skin against a slightly less prepared Tyson.

Conor is an MMA fighter

wonderfullife · 21-06-2017 11:03AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Because Judah was an elite, world class, P4P top 10 boxer, the Baldomir loss notwithstanding. McGregor is not. Simple. McGregor being accurate and firing off shots (timing, precision etc etc etc) against Aldo and Diaz and Alvarez isn't comparable to Judah landing on Mayweather.

As Malignaggi has been saying repeatedly, there are levels to this thing.

You're not seriously making the argument Conor would have missed with that straight left in identical circumstances?

Judah's pawing double jab resulted in Floyd dropping his left hand and created a lane for Judah's left down the middle that pierced the guard.

I've spent a good amount of time watching Floyd fights in the last week and it's pretty clear he has taken a lot more damage (relatively) in his last 5 fights compared to the previous 5.

Punches Landed on Floyd (via Compubox):

Last 5 - 630

Berto - 83
Pacquiao - 81
Maidana - 128
Maidana - 221
Canelo - 117

Previous 5 - 405

Guerrero - 113
Cotto - 105
Ortiz - 26
Mosley - 92
Marquez - 69

Floyd has amazing cat-like reflexes and footwork but he's not Neo from the Matrix as some on here make him out to be. He gets hit plenty in every fight.

He's human. Cut him and he will bleed. Stand in front of Conor sloppy and drop his guard like he did against Judah and Conor will hit him.

hatrickpatrick · 21-06-2017 11:05AM

Rumours going around that they may do a press conference in Dublin at some stage to promote PPV - seems unlikely to me but for the sake of argument, does anyone know if these things are open to the public or are they media / invitees only? And if they're open to the public, how does one generally go about getting a ticket?

wonderfullife · 21-06-2017 11:07AM

Gamebred wrote: »

Jab Zudah as mentioned is a multiple time world champion, Conor out striking people like Alvarez Mendes and Holloway means jack for obvious reasons, wrestlers who have over hand rights, I think you know deep down hes going to get absolutely hammered I honestly wouldnt take 100/1 about him beating Mayweather, I would back a 50 year Floyd to beat him never mind 40 look at Bernard Hopkins hes about 50 and still at the top till recently.

I don't care if Zab Judah was a mini-Muhammad Ali, my point is clear:

Floyd dropped his high left guard in response to 2 pawing jabs and Judah hit him with a straight left down with middle, with just one step-in.

If the circumstances were IDENTICAL, Conor also hits him. Simple as that. Conor isn't missing with that left hand against anybody who drops their guard and plants their feet.

There's no guarantee Floyd makes the same mistake again but Conor definitely lands it.

Gamebred · 21-06-2017 11:10AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

I don't care if Zab Judah was a mini-Muhammad Ali, my point is clear:

Floyd dropped his high left guard in response to 2 pawing jabs and Judah hit him with a straight left down with middle, with just one step-in.

If the circumstances were IDENTICAL, Conor also hits him. Simple as that. Conor isn't missing with that left hand against anybody who drops their guard and plants their feet.

There's no guarantee Floyd makes the same mistake again but Conor definitely lands it.

This is how delusional people like you giving him a chance are, your going back 11 years ago to find one punch a world champion boxer landed on him that might mean Conor can land it you're off your head Wonder,

As for the above punches Floyd has taken in his last few fights bar the Maidana 1 fight I'd say he hasnt come out of 3rd gear he took the urine out the likes of Manny and Canelo.

maximoose · 21-06-2017 11:11AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Rumours going around that they may do a press conference in Dublin at some stage to promote PPV - seems unlikely to me but for the sake of argument, does anyone know if these things are open to the public or are they media / invitees only? And if they're open to the public, how does one generally go about getting a ticket?

No idea how boxing ones normally work, if it's press only or open. The (shambles of a :pac:) press conference for 189 in the Convention Centre was ticketed through Eventbrite IIRC, tickets were free you just had to sign up and 'buy' them

wonderfullife · 21-06-2017 11:14AM

Gamebred wrote: »

This is how delusional people like you giving him a chance are, your going back 11 years ago to find one punch a world champion boxer landed on him that might mean Conor can land it you're off your head Wonder,

As for the above punches Floyd has taken in his last few fights bar the Maidana 1 fight I'd say he hasnt come out of 3rd gear he took the urine out the likes of Manny and Canelo.

Did you watch the clip or not?

You're trying to tell me that had anything to do with Judah being a world champion?

We have a ton of evidence if any human being stands stationary and flat-footed in front of Conor that he will land that left hand.

walshb · 21-06-2017 11:19AM

But 0 evidence that he lands it in a boxing ring under boxing rules against a career veteran ATG pro boxer.

wonderfullife · 21-06-2017 11:21AM

Gamebred wrote: »

As for the above punches Floyd has taken in his last few fights bar the Maidana 1 fight I'd say he hasnt come out of 3rd gear he took the urine out the likes of Manny and Canelo.

Good. They landed 200 punches on him. So if that's him taking the piss, then at least it might give Conor a chance.

People are talking about Floyd like he's Neo. You're all watching too much Keanu Reeves.

Floyd is a great boxer but he does get hit and he does get hurt. Conor is a great martial artist who also gets hit and gets hurt. The trick in both sports is neither man gets hit cleanly and hurt very often.

Max Kellerman and Walshb and the old school boxing purists are delusional if they think Conor won't land punches. They're not delusional about Conor's lack of experience but they are delusional about Floyd.

If it goes 12-rounds I'm confident Conor lands at an average of 8 a round for a respectable 95-100.

EagererBeaver · 21-06-2017 11:22AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

We have a ton of evidence if any human being stands stationary and flat-footed in front of Conor that he will land that left hand.

a) We don't - we have evidence he'll land it against MMA fighters. Stance is hugely important here, you've said ago yourself he should adopt a karate stance. He's not throwing that straight left to begin with, never mind landing it. Look at him in the Alvarez fight. Admittedly toying with him but the left have was constantly raised and cocked, ready to go.

b) your argument rests on McGregor being able to act, mimic, behave like an elite boxer which, broken record time, we all agree he is not.

walshb · 21-06-2017 11:24AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Good. They landed 200 punches on him. So if that's him taking the piss, then at least it might give Conor a chance.

People are talking about Floyd like he's Neo. You're all watching too much Keanu Reeves.

Floyd is a great boxer but he does get hit and he does get hurt. Conor is a great martial artist who also gets hit and gets hurt. The trick in both sports is neither man gets hit cleanly and hurt very often.

Max Kellerman and Walshb and the old school boxing purists are delusional if they think Conor won't land punches. They're not delusional about Conor's lack of experience but they are delusional about Floyd.

If it goes 12-rounds I'm confident Conor lands at an average of 8 a round for a respectable 95-100.

Nobody claimed he won't land punches. It's the where he lands them and the quality of them that needs looking at.

Throwing out Maidana landing 200 + shots doesn't tell the full story.

I bet Conor lands a fair few shots on arms and shoulders, and maybe even cuffs Floyd a few to the head...

Oh, and maybe lands a clean flush shot to the head as well....his hail mary shot...

Gamebred · 21-06-2017 11:26AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Good. They landed 200 punches on him. So if that's him taking the piss, then at least it might give Conor a chance.

People are talking about Floyd like he's Neo. You're all watching too much Keanu Reeves.

Floyd is a great boxer but he does get hit and he does get hurt. Conor is a great martial artist who also gets hit and gets hurt. The trick in both sports is neither man gets hit cleanly and hurt very often.

Max Kellerman and Walshb and the old school boxing purists are delusional if they think Conor won't land punches. They're not delusional about Conor's lack of experience but they are delusional about Floyd.

If it goes 12-rounds I'm confident Conor lands at an average of 8 a round for a respectable 95-100.

You're on the opposite end of the spectrum you're massively underating Mayweather who is like a ghost in the ring against some of the best fighters ever, being hit 200 times is masking it too, he has not taken 200 clean punches to the face or anything like it I've been watching Mayweather since before Conor probably took up mma and so has Conor, his self belief is trickling into your mind and you're running with it,

All of us want him to win but hes going to be like a drunk in there on queer st getting sat down, say floyd who beat Berto for example shows up are you giving Conor a hope or are you pinning your hopes hes gotten old fast in his time off?

wonderfullife · 21-06-2017 11:29AM

walshb wrote: »

But 0 evidence that he lands it in a boxing ring under boxing rules against a career veteran ATG pro boxer.

What has a boxing ring and boxing rules got to do with landing a straight left from 3 feet away when someone momentarily drops their guard?

The straight lefts Conor landed in MMA that I showed you were all thrown and landed on his feet, with gloves and set up with jabs not kicks.

walshb · 21-06-2017 11:31AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

What has a boxing ring and boxing rules got to do with landing a straight left from 3 feet away when someone momentarily drops their guard?

The straight lefts Conor landed in MMA that I showed you were all thrown and landed on his feet, with gloves and set up with jabs not kicks.

It's boxing. You have evidence in MMA. They are not the same sports, and they have differences as regards attacks and feet and positioning etc.

Aren't you meant to know this sh1t?

0 evidence to show Conor doing it in pro boxing. That is not to say he can't do it, just that to date there is 0 evidence to show he can do it in a boxing ring under boxing rules against an ATG pro boxer.

wonderfullife · 21-06-2017 11:31AM

Gamebred wrote: »

All of us want him to win but hes going to be like a drunk in there on queer st getting sat down, say floyd who beat Berto for example shows up are you giving Conor a hope or are you pinning your hopes hes gotten old fast in his time off?

Are you forgetting one judge scored that fight 117-111?

Berto won 3 rounds on one scorecard and landed more punches than Manny did.

Look, I'm not arguing Conor beats him but I'm definitely arguing he will land way more punches than 0.

walshb · 21-06-2017 11:33AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Look, I'm not arguing Conor beats him but I'm definitely arguing he will land way more punches than 0.

I think you will win that argument.

BTW, 1 is way more than 0.

Gamebred · 21-06-2017 11:33AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Look, I'm not arguing Conor beats him but I'm definitely arguing he will land way more punches than 0.

I will concede that no problem, he will land in the first round maybe into the 2nd, if he gets a clinch he might have some success early but my prediction from round 3 on hes gonna get his body broken, and chasing Floyd will get tiring, I dont believe he wins a round though interesting to see if theres betting on that.

wonderfullife · 21-06-2017 11:38AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Look at him in the Alvarez fight. Admittedly toying with him but the left have was constantly raised and cocked, ready to go.

b) your argument rests on McGregor being able to act, mimic, behave like an elite boxer which, broken record time, we all agree he is not.

It really wasn't. Conor carried his left hand pretty low throughout the contest and didn't telegraph the left. Roddy was constantly shouting in to get Conor to hold his hands higher.

My argument is if Floyd makes mistakes, Conor will hit him. Those mistakes might not happen often, but if he makes glaring errors like the Judah one, Conor will connect.

GerryDerpy · 21-06-2017 11:39AM

The laws of physics change if you are an elite boxer wonder, didn't you know?!

That straight left through the guard is my KO prediction.

wonderfullife · 21-06-2017 11:39AM

walshb wrote: »

I think you will win that argument.

BTW, 1 is way more than 0.

Throw out a prediction of how many punches Conor will land in total on the official Compubox numbers?

walshb · 21-06-2017 11:44AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Throw out a prediction of how many punches Conor will land in total on the official Compubox numbers?

All above board and both out to win and no messing about I reckon Conor lands 30 punches. Mayweather lands 40-50, with 20-30 being significant/huting.

0 of significance/real hurt from Conor to Floyd.

That's compubox which is just a counter...

That's over 3 rds BTW, as I cannot see it past that.

wonderfullife · 21-06-2017 11:51AM

GerryDerpy wrote: »

The laws of physics change if you are an elite boxer wonder, didn't you know?!

That straight left through the guard is my KO prediction.

It's crazy the way some people are talking like Floyd could fight Conor with both hands tied behind his back and Conor still wouldn't hit him.

Andre Ward is *literally* on record saying Nate Diaz was his main sparring partner for the Chad Dawson fight. He has said incredibly good things about Nate's boxing ability and he'd know better than us having done hundreds of rounds of sparring with him.

Just because someone fights in MMA doesn't mean they can't box well under boxing rules.

walshb · 21-06-2017 11:52AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

It's crazy the way some people are talking like Floyd could fight Conor with both hands tied behind his back and Conor still wouldn't hit him.

People saying this are stupid.

Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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