Men of boards, what innocent behaviors have you changed out of fear?

jobbridge4life · 20-06-2017 04:12PM

greencap wrote: »

Coping mechanism. Sperm don't have much of a shelf life. and your satchel can only accommodate so many.

How many dudes while having a **** would say no thanks to a willing female?

Lots of Japanese apparently.

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silverharp · 20-06-2017 04:15PM

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you seem to hear enough cases popping up in the US, however its unlikely that a boy would make a false abuse charge against a female teacher.

greencap · 20-06-2017 04:19PM

jobbridge4life wrote: »

You can't actually say that though, because you can't assume that the sole function of sexuality is to produce children. It also doesn't follow that homosexuals can't reproduce which they quite clearly can.

Moreover with the progress in reproductive technologies it may not be too long before same-sex parents can procreate together.

You're referring to conscious behavior.

You can consciously decide with your intellect to go do artificial insemination.

But in terms of automated body systems like heartbeats, boners, periods, hair growth you don't make those choices. The body does.

In the case of gayness - the brain was supposed to see a female shape and activate the boner. This would lead to ejaculation of a subsystem which targets ovum which would lead to reproduction.

But instead the brain got the wrong set of instructions, which activates the boner upon seeing male shapes. This would lead to ejaculation of a subsystem which targets ovum, but upon arrival the sperm find no ovum present.

Which leads to no reproduction.

ScumLord · 20-06-2017 04:19PM

greencap wrote: »

Gayness is an error.

Sperm are designed to interact with ovum.

Why would you spend energy on a system (sperm) with no application*.

It happens all the time in nature, only some animals get to reproduce, look at wolfs, one breeding couple and everyone else just helps out for the good of the pack.

Gay people have a targeting system which doesn't lock on the right target.

I don't think you or anybody else can state that homosexuality is a mistake, it could very well be that's it's a trait developed and it's stuck around because it gives an advantage to communities that have a few gay members.

As with wolves above if there can be only one breeding pair it would cause many problems if the males couldn't stop fighting each other. A gay member could help promote peace by giving the males other kinds of attention away from females.

Gayness in humans could serve all kinds of social needs that we're not fully aware of yet. So you're jumping the gun calling it an error based purely on your own opinion.

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jobbridge4life · 20-06-2017 04:22PM

greencap wrote: »

You're referring to conscious behavior.

You can consciously decide with your intellect to go do artificial insemination.

But in terms of automated body systems like heartbeats, boners, periods, hair growth you don't make those choices. The body does.

In the case of gayness - the brain was supposed to see a female shape and activate the boner. This would lead to ejaculation of a subsystem which targets ovum which would lead to reproduction.

But instead the brain got the wrong set of instructions, which activates the boner upon seeing male shapes. This would lead to ejaculation of a subsystem which targets ovum, but upon arrival the sperm find no ovum present.

Which leads to no reproduction.

You still can't assert that it is an 'error'. You are asserting that the brain was supposed to see a female shape and activate the boner, based on what? Prevalence? Homosexuality exists, and exists, in countless species. I don't understand your premise for it being an 'error'.

Glenster · 20-06-2017 04:24PM

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tightly. But its worth it.

osarusan · 20-06-2017 04:25PM

Boards is full of people with the most half-baked pseudo-bio-evolutionary nonsense philosophies these days.

ScumLord · 20-06-2017 04:26PM

greencap wrote: »

In the case of gayness - the brain was supposed to see a female shape and activate the boner. This would lead to ejaculation of a subsystem which targets ovum which would lead to reproduction.

Jaysus naked stone age humans must have been blowing the load all over the place. We might be over sensitive to nakedness but it's not supposed to make you ejaculate, it's likely if a man was tied to a table you could use anything from a gay man, to a dog, to a vacuum cleaner to get them to ejaculate because it's a sensory reaction.

jobbridge4life · 20-06-2017 04:28PM

osarusan wrote: »

Boards is full of people with the most half-baked pseudo-bio-evolutionary nonsense philosophies these days.

'rational men'

tupenny · 20-06-2017 04:28PM

Ella Stale Rule wrote: »

Yet 1000's of teachers are alone with a room full of kids everyday, help them to the toilet etc and its not an issue so saying it "has to be done" is not really true.

Its basically a self fulfilling prophesy, people decide these things "have to be done" and then suddenly everyone "has to do them".

I understand your point, but what do you suggest?
Am I not just being sensible?

greencap · 20-06-2017 04:31PM

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I don't know.

And its not a bizarre narrative. Just because evolution doesn't fit with your predispositions doesn't mean gayness is not a phenomenon/malfunction of some sort.

I myself have bodily malfunctions, parts of the body working counter to other parts of the body, when really they should be co-operating. It doesn't infer anything about my character.

You have sperm. They cost your body energy and effort to produce. And they just so happen to be perfect for interacting with ovum. And they just so happen to get shot out at the point of orgasm.

However, in locations other than a female humans vag, they do absolutely nothing.
Did your body just decide to waste energy producing sperm for no purpose.

Is this what the body typically does? Produce function-less things?

jobbridge4life · 20-06-2017 04:33PM

greencap wrote: »

I don't know.

And its not a bizarre narrative. Just because evolution doesn't fit with your predispositions doesn't mean gayness is not a phenomenon/malfunction of some sort.

I myself have bodily malfunctions, parts of the body working counter to other parts of the body, when really they should be co-operating. It doesn't infer anything about my character.

You have sperm. They cost your body energy and effort to produce. And they just so happen to be perfect for interacting with ovum. And they just so happen to get shot out at the point of orgasm.

However, in other locations, they do absolutely nothing.
Did your body just decide to waste energy producing sperm for no purpose.

Is this what the body typically does? Produce function-less things?

You mean like how women shed unused eggs every month?

And you are consistently ignoring the other purposes of sexuality.

seamus · 20-06-2017 04:38PM

All of the above pseudo-science about evolution and one's body apparently knowing what it's doing also ignores all of the research which suggests that homosexuality itself as a trait confers an evolutionary advantage on the community in which that individual lives. If it was an "error" it would have disappeared. The fact that it exists suggests that it's not an "error" at all and has in fact specifically evolved because of the evolutionary advantage it provides.

Dravokivich · 20-06-2017 04:45PM

It's not just pseudo-science, I'm unsure what it's got to do with the idea of men being functionally separated from society due to some sort of expectant fear.

greencap · 20-06-2017 04:46PM

jobbridge4life wrote: »

You still can't assert that it is an 'error'. You are asserting that the brain was supposed to see a female shape and activate the boner, based on what? Prevalence? Homosexuality exists, and exists, in countless species. I don't understand your premise for it being an 'error'.

I say its an error because the male body produces a subsystem which serves a function. (sperm, reproduction)

In straight men theres a perfect alignment of processes (1) and result (2).

(1) the brain activates arousal, the body reacts with boner and orgasm, the sperm are delivered to a place that just so happens to contain ovum.

(2) a baby results.

In gay men theres no alignment of processes, and no offspring result.

Yet the production of sperm in a gay man cost his body valuable energy.

Does that not suggest an error of some kind to you.

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Dravokivich · 20-06-2017 04:51PM

greencap wrote: »

I say its an error because the male body produces a subsystem which serves a function. (sperm, reproduction)

In straight men theres a perfect alignment of processes (1) and result (2).

(1) the brain activates arousal, the body reacts with boner and orgasm, the sperm are delivered to a place that just so happens to contain ovum.

(2) a baby results.

In gay men theres no alignment of processes, and no offspring result.

Yet the production of sperm in a gay man cost his body valuable energy.

Does that not suggest an error of some kind to you.

Straight men can have very low sperm counts, but the body goes through the whole process not knowing it's doomed to failure.

What kind of hole are you digging here by the way? I've a shovel handy if needed.

Zubeneschamali · 20-06-2017 04:53PM

Stan27 wrote: »

We couldn't leave her there so we brought her back to our gaff and put her on the couch. At least she wouldn't freeze.
When I told Dad the next day, he couldn't believe it. What if someone attached the girl for example and she didn't remember who it was, and thought it was us. We would be screwed.

Good for you, and shame on your Dad.

greencap · 20-06-2017 04:54PM

jobbridge4life wrote: »

You still can't assert that it is an 'error'. You are asserting that the brain was supposed to see a female shape and activate the boner, based on what? Prevalence? Homosexuality exists, and exists, in countless species. I don't understand your premise for it being an 'error'.

Ok. It exists in many species. And what. So does cancer.

I think your politics is offended and this offense is preventing you from dealing with facts.

Theres nothing intrinsically bad about being gay. But your body is working against its own interests. You have one part saying 'do A' and another part saying 'don't do A, do B'.

The sperm, which cost your body energy and which you carry around, are saying yay yay lemme at them ovum.

And some part of the brain is saying 'urrgh ovum carriers dont like them - oooh look delicious cock'.

So when the sperm finally have their day, its a bit of a let down.
They're like 'here we are, lets get to it' but no, dropped off at the wrong site.

ScumLord · 20-06-2017 04:55PM

greencap wrote: »

In gay men theres no alignment of processes, and no offspring result.

That's not strictly true at the community level though. For every child the gay man doesn't have he could be contributing to the care of countless other children. The jury's still out on the benefits of homosexuality on a community. In the real world reproduction is a privilege earned by displaying good genetics, your logic falls down as soon as you take into account that many, many living creatures don't reproduce, that doesn't make their existence a waste of resources and they can often still serve a purpose for the good of a group and other relations sharing their genes. Like ants, only one of them has the job of reproduction the rest are just there to make that happen.

Maximus Alexander · 20-06-2017 04:55PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't think you or anybody else can state that homosexuality is a mistake, it could very well be that's it's a trait developed and it's stuck around because it gives an advantage to communities that have a few gay members.

It's a mistake in so far as the existence of animal life is, itself, a mistake. Or an accident. Or a random stroke of good luck. However you want to view it.

Homosexuality is as much an evolved trait as... liking music. Or enjoying beer. Or sports. How, or why, it came about we don't necessarily know. But it did. People referring to it as a 'mistake' imply that nature and evolution have agency rather than being the result of physics and chaos.

It's a stupid discussion tbh, I don't know why you're entertaining it.

greencap · 20-06-2017 04:57PM

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lol.

eh, i think the burden is on you to produce proof of just one baby that resulted from an exclusively gay sexual interaction.

20-06-2017 04:58PM

Yet another thread that is ruined by going completely off topic.

Zubeneschamali · 20-06-2017 04:58PM

greencap wrote: »

Just because evolution doesn't fit with your predispositions doesn't mean gayness is not a phenomenon/malfunction of some sort.

Just because an argument has some little story about evolution in it doesn't make it true.

ScumLord · 20-06-2017 05:00PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

It's a mistake in so far as the existence of animal life is, itself, a mistake. Or an accident. Or a random stroke of good luck. However you want to view it.

Mutation would be the right word I suppose. Technically being white is a mistake that happened at some point and worked out for the best (well, maybe not the best for the normal black people, although they likely thought white people were awesome at first or their wouldn't be so many of us).

Mistakes/mutations are part of nature is the point I was trying to make. They're part of the process.

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jobbridge4life · 20-06-2017 05:01PM

greencap wrote: »

lol.

eh, i think the burden is on you to produce proof of just one baby that resulted from an exclusively gay sexual interaction.

What? No it isn't not even remotely. You are the one who has posited a utterly nonsensical theory, that others have challenged. You haven't addressed any of the flaws in your notion either.

Is it an error that the female body goes through periods? Something that not only takes energy but also causes some pain etc. for most women?

Also isn't a waste of energy for a man to be aroused by a woman who is not to put it crudely 'in season'?

I'm seriously wondering about your biology knowledge base.

Maximus Alexander · 20-06-2017 05:02PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Mutation would be the right word I suppose. Technically being white is a mistake that happened at some point and worked out for the best (well, maybe not the best for the normal black people, although they likely thought white people were awesome at first or their wouldn't be so many of us).

Mistakes/mutations are part of nature is the point I was trying to make. They're part of the process.

Yeah I agree with you, but the word 'mistake' implies that there was a correct way to do it and that there was a failure, which is of course not the case. Life in all its forms wouldn't exist without the 'mistakes', ergo they are not mistakes.

Men of boards, what innocent behaviors have you changed out of fear?

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