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Men of boards, what innocent behaviors have you changed out of fear?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭.......


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Being gay does not mean your trans. But in the majority of cases being trans means your gay. So equating trans to gay is fine.

    If the gay person transitions gender then they generally identify as straight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    professore wrote: »
    You do realise that discussing something is not the same as everyone nodding their heads and agreeing with each other? You sound very like the nuns that forbade any questions like if God was so good, why did he allow children to die of hunger. This is the new normal, where "free speech" is allowed only if it agrees rigidly with the status quo.

    Thinking being gay or trans is a condition is not the same thing as being homophobic. Not in the least. I think coeliac disease is a condition but that's not the same thing at all as thinking that coeliacs are somehow inferior or whatever.

    Illness/condition/disorder = something that needs to be treated/almost always seen as an undesirable or unwanted trait
    Gay= not a mental illness/disorder/condition
    Theres just no argument or debate here, it simply isn't and you're wrong. you can say something that is factually wrong and then when somebody calls you out on it say they are disrespecting free speech


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭BrokenArrows


    wakka12 wrote: »
    If the gay person transitions gender then they generally identify as straight.

    By who? In my opinion if your born one gender then you will always be that gender regardless of how much surgery and drugs you take.

    Gender is something thats in your genetic makeup not your physical appearance. If someone who has "transitioned" stops taking their hormones they will "transition" back.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,377 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Oh joy it's another one of those threads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    By who? In my opinion if your born one gender then you will always be that gender regardless of how much surgery and drugs you take.

    Gender is something thats in your genetic makeup not your physical appearance. If someone who has "transitioned" stops taking their hormones they will "transition" back.

    Okay well in my opinion I disagree with everything you have said and believe they are the gender they identify as. Because it doesn't matter in the slightest to my life and its what they want to do with their life and body


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,788 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Same applies to being gay, its not normal and is some form of mental illness and its a personal choice by the person to follow their desires and have relationships with people of the same gender. Again its not something that can be fixed so society must accept it.
    I don't think being gay can be described as an illness in any sense of the word, it's also no more of a choice than any other human behaviour. You could decide not to smile when you're happy, you could make that choice but it's going to be next to impossible to control over the course of your life and it's utterly stupid to try.

    Homosexuality seems to have a place in human behaviour that goes way, way back to the point even animals like chimps practice the behaviour. to call it an illness is a dismissive and ignorant thing to say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Stan27


    Me and my friend walking home from a night club in Dublin one night, (both male) found a girl extreamly drunk beside the house we were staying in. She she couldn't get in, and her friends wouldn't answer the phone (asleep drunk) and it was freezing (winter). We couldn't leave her there so we brought her back to our gaff and put her on the couch. At least she wouldn't freeze.
    When I told Dad the next day, he couldn't believe it. What if someone attached the girl for example and she didn't remember who it was, and thought it was us. We would be screwed. Never thought about it that way. But makes sense. 21st century problems


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭BrokenArrows


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    Of course i do. Its basic biology. They are call chromosomes.
    Men have XY chromosomes and women have XX. Doesnt matter what surgery or drugs you take, this wont change (Unless you start talking futuristic gene therapy :D ).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Stan27 wrote: »
    Me and my friend walking home from a night club in Dublin one night, (both male) found a girl extreamly drunk beside the house we were staying in. She she couldn't get in, and her friends wouldn't answer the phone (asleep drunk) and it was freezing (winter). We couldn't leave her there so we brought her back to our gaff and put her on the couch. At least she wouldn't freeze.
    When I told Dad the next day, he couldn't believe it. What if someone attached the girl for example and she didn't remember who it was, and thought it was us. We would be screwed. Never thought about it that way. But makes sense. 21st century problems

    What your dad suggested is really worst worst case scenario here... Personally I wouldnt let somebody just because of an unlikely what if situation, think you definitely did the right thing..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 60 ✭✭Der Stier


    Sad to say but I'm very wary of letting my sons friends stay over too long in the house, I don't want to get sued if they injure themselves in the house .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Helping a kid you don't know that has fallen and hurt himself In the playground.jesus its awful i will do it but you think twice about doing it.just in case.its complete paranoia which i totally blame the media for.

    I remember reading somewhere about a man who found a young child unattended in a pool and it had got into difficulty. He obviously wanted to help the child but didn't want to be branded a paedo so he basically held it out at arms length and started shouting, "does anyone own this kid?!" - it is hilarious but also I think it is sad that society has turned on men so much.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    My Dad was a taxi driver for a number of years before he retired. He would often have drunk girls in the back of the taxi. One night a group of girls dumped their drunk friend into the taxi, gave my dad the address and left. He had to drive her home, take her key from her pocket, help her into the house and then close the door behind her. She was lucky my dad is not a monster. He did have the good sense to call the local garda station on the way and explain exactly what had happened and what he was doing etc. to make sure he protected himself from any false allegations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,439 ✭✭✭tupenny


    I think when it comes to kids both genders have to be careful.
    I (female) train underage girls football team, and even though my own kid is 1 the ones I'm training, I make sure never to be alone with them, always need to be at least 2 adults . If 1 needs to go to the toilet (they're only 7/8 so need to be accompanied by an adult back to the dressing room to go to the toilet; have to cross a road etc) I make sure to bring another child i.e a witness. Sadly has to be done these days


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,788 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Of course i do. Its basic biology. They are call chromosomes.
    Men have XY chromosomes and women have XX. Doesnt matter what surgery or drugs you take, this wont change (Unless you start talking futuristic gene therapy :D ).
    I don't think it's as straightforward as that. All people basically start off expressing female gnese then male genes and it's a complicated process so it's not entirely surprising that certain genes can get overlooked or turned on off at the wrong time. It's so complex it's actually a wonder more processing errors don't happen.

    We can see these sort of errors pop up all the time, some people have two different eye colours, some people are born without pigmentation, some people have freakish abilities like lots of strength or an ability to run really fast, some people get fantastic mental abilities in one area and lack abilities in other common areas. These types or errors are all part of the evolutionary process.

    Even so I don't think being gay is an error, it has no negative side effects, up until recently it didn't even stop people reproducing. It seems to have a place in highly social animals that place a high value on offspring.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,524 ✭✭✭harr


    This happened to a relation of mine...he was working with a female colleague doing a stock take in a convenience store overnight and she made a complaint he touched her sexually ...he was married in his thirties successful business and would hire College students for summer work..
    She made a complaint to guards , he was cautioned and questioned over the it....he went through a terrible ordeal, lucky for him the cctv was running in the stock room and he was cleared and it turned out this young lady had issues and it was third time she had reported someone for doing similar..
    Ever since it has made me wary of working with younger girls on my own and where possible I prefer to work on my own or with a group...probably proper irrational but I seen what he went through...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Imagine the indignity and persecution some people endure not feeling comfortable to go around labeling whole sections of society mentally ill. Oh, how the righteous suffer.


  • Posts: 24,774 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    tupenny wrote: »
    I think when it comes to kids both genders have to be careful.
    I (female) train underage girls football team, and even though my own kid is 1 the ones I'm training, I make sure never to be alone with them, always need to be at least 2 adults . If 1 needs to go to the toilet (they're only 7/8 so need to be accompanied by an adult back to the dressing room to go to the toilet; have to cross a road etc) I make sure to bring another child i.e a witness. Sadly has to be done these days

    Yet 1000's of teachers are alone with a room full of kids everyday, help them to the toilet etc and its not an issue so saying it "has to be done" is not really true.

    Its basically a self fulfilling prophesy, people decide these things "have to be done" and then suddenly everyone "has to do them".


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    become a teacher?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/16/geography-teacher-cleared-raping-pupil-says-men-should-stay/
    A geography teacher cleared of raping a pupil has warned that men should steer clear of the profession, after a false allegation shattered his dream career.

    Kato Harris, a former head of department at an all-girls school in London, was accused of attacking a 14-year-old three times in a classroom during lunch breaks in autumn 2013, but was found not guilty after a trial last year.

    The 38-year-old said before his ordeal began, "life was like a wonderful dream", and with a successful career and a child also on the way he was "looking forward to a great future".

    In an interview with the Mail on Sunday, he has disclosed that "one of the biggest challenges" he now faces is forgiving his accuser, something he said he will do, "just not now".

    He told the newspaper: "I would certainly advocate that no man qualify as a teacher. It is just not worth it. What is the lesson here? There is nothing to protect the male teacher."


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    silverharp wrote: »

    Don't see how steering clear of that profession would stop it
    As another user above posted, happened his relation in a stockroom
    Crazy girls will not just be around teachers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Don't see how steering clear of that profession would stop it
    As another user above posted, happened his relation in a stockroom
    Crazy girls will not just be around teachers

    its a different situation. in most other careers you can manage your space or there will be cameras or the chances of having to deal with a nutbag are small enough. If a male teacher taught girls for his whole career, we are talking up to a couple of thousand girls over a full career, plus no cameras, potentially situations where you have to have one on one meetings.
    Then if you say you will only teach in boys schools you are limiting your potential to be employed. I wouldn't advise someone not to but I wouldn't tell them they are crazy either.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,788 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    In an interview with the Mail on Sunday
    The mail on Sunday probably would have been one of the first to utterly condemn the man based on an accusation. All papers like them care about is righteous indignation and will flip flop between whichever righteousness seems more popular.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    ScumLord wrote: »
    I don't think it's as straightforward as that. All people basically start off expressing female gnese then male genes and it's a complicated process so it's not entirely surprising that certain genes can get overlooked or turned on off at the wrong time. It's so complex it's actually a wonder more processing errors don't happen.

    We can see these sort of errors pop up all the time, some people have two different eye colours, some people are born without pigmentation, some people have freakish abilities like lots of strength or an ability to run really fast, some people get fantastic mental abilities in one area and lack abilities in other common areas. These types or errors are all part of the evolutionary process.

    Even so I don't think being gay is an error, it has no negative side effects, up until recently it didn't even stop people reproducing. It seems to have a place in highly social animals that place a high value on offspring.


    Gayness is an error.

    Sperm are designed to interact with ovum.

    Why would you spend energy on a system (sperm) with no application*.

    That said, it doesn't make gay people bad in any way.

    I see it as no different than any other malfunction. Asthmatics have malfunctioning lungs which enflame rather than allow air.

    Gay people have a targeting system which doesn't lock on the right target.


    *other than maybe beard wax.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    greencap wrote: »
    Gayness is an error.

    Sperm are designed to interact with ovum.

    Why would you spend energy on a system (sperm) with no application*.

    That said, it doesn't make gay people bad in any way.

    I see it as no different than any other malfunction. Asthmatics have malfunctioning lungs which enflame rather than allow air.

    Gay people have a targeting system which doesn't lock on the right target.


    *other than maybe beard wax.

    You can't actually say that though, because you can't assume that the sole function of sexuality is to produce children. It also doesn't follow that homosexuals can't reproduce which they quite clearly can.

    Moreover with the progress in reproductive technologies it may not be too long before same-sex parents can procreate together.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭Glenster


    ....... wrote: »
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    YOU TAKE THAT BACK


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


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    Coping mechanism. Sperm don't have much of a shelf life. and your satchel can only accommodate so many.

    How many dudes while having a **** would say no thanks to a willing female?


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