Woman uses Grenfell Tower for publicity...Not!! Theresa May

18-06-2017 11:41PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

In 2005 there was a vote on legislation that towers built before 2007 would be exempt from having sprinkler systems

And you're saying Corbyn agreed via vote with this?

Help!!!! · 18-06-2017 11:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And you're saying Corbyn agreed via vote with this?

Labour were in Government & Corbyn was an MP
I dont understand why people think he's any different to the rest of the politicians

18-06-2017 11:56PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Labour were in Government & Corbyn was an MP
I dont understand why people think he's any different to the rest of the politicians

Ok, look. Here's his record. Have a look through and highlight where he voted against sprinkler systems being mandatory.

It was a statutory instrument, not a bill.

He couldn't vote on it.

You're wrong.

http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn=Jeremy_Corbyn&mpc=Islington_North&house=commons&display=allvotes#divisions

Edited to add: also, look at the amount of times "rebel" or "rebel teller" appears in the last column. Doesn't always vote with the whip, and is therefore unlike most politicians.

Widdershins · 19-06-2017 12:00AM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Labour were in Government & Corbyn was an MP
I dont understand why people think he's any different to the rest of the politicians

It's the lack of a good suit.

Sort of deflects from the salary which is as huge as any other politicians, and the two pensions.

Help!!!! · 19-06-2017 12:05AM

Widdershins wrote: »

It's the lack of a good suit.

Sort of deflects from the salary which is as huge as any other politicians, and the two pensions.

He likes to encourage extremists to parade the streets of London

deco nate · 19-06-2017 12:09AM

Help!!!! wrote: »

The problem is Corbyn & Khan both had there hands in no sprinkler systems being put into these tower blocks

I Think you need help..

deco nate · 19-06-2017 12:11AM

Help!!!! wrote: »

He likes to encourage extremists to parade the streets of London

Like, real help. Crazy posts

19-06-2017 12:11AM

So... No reply?

No hand up to admit you were wrong?

Yourself isit · 19-06-2017 12:34AM

xzanti wrote: »

I think the point she's trying to make is that more people have died than is being reported.

Amazing number of people who think there is something wrong with that. It's clear to me that the official number is low balled.

Yourself isit · 19-06-2017 12:37AM

Help!!!! wrote: »

He likes to encourage extremists to parade the streets of London

People protesting in democracy shocker.

Yourself isit · 19-06-2017 12:39AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Conspiracy theories generally come from a desire to avoid the frightening notion that in fact, no one is really in control or knows what's going on and that we hang on to our stability and prosperity by our fingernails.

Or they come from the fact that's there are often conspiracies amongst elites.

20Cent · 19-06-2017 12:47AM

light touch regulation strikes again.
Apparently the full number of deaths will be announced tomorrow.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 19-06-2017 01:00AM

Help!!!! wrote: »

They cannot identify alot of the bodies because they may be just ash....there would never have been 600people in a 120 flat tower. Or at least there shouldn't be. It will take a long time for the final total to come out

Factually incorrect - a standard housefure is not capable of turning an entire human body into ash. For that, you need a creamtorium.

Help!!!! wrote: »

In 2005 there was a vote on legislation that towers built before 2007 would be exempt from having sprinkler systems

Factually incorrect as shown by another poster.

Help!!!! wrote: »

He likes to encourage extremists to parade the streets of London

So we're now resorting to desperate rumours that are massively unlikely to the point of contradicting pretty much every currect policy and characteristic he has, are we?

prinzeugen · 19-06-2017 01:05AM

deco nate wrote: »

Like, real help. Crazy posts

Corbyn did say people should "occupy" vacant homes and on live TV I believe. That is inciting civil unrest.

Also Corbyn supporters are using the fire for gain.

You can see the "Force the Tories /May out & Corbyn for PM" placards among the fire ones.

Look at the news.

Widdershins · 19-06-2017 01:14AM

That wasn't a crazy statement about extremists on the streets of London.. It's past time for Corbyn to unequivocally denounce and distance himself from it. Time for him to tell Momentum and co. this isn't what he wants, if he has any decency.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 19-06-2017 01:14AM

prinzeugen wrote: »

Corbyn did say people should "occupy" vacant homes and on live TV I believe. That is inciting civil unrest.

Also Corbyn supporters are using the fire for gain.

You can see the "Force the Tories /May out & Corbyn for PM" placards among the fire ones.

Look at the news.

What he said was that they should be requisitioned by the councils, not occupied by the people. That was the tabloids rephrasing him. Regrdless fo whether you agree or disagree, there's a buge difference there and he is no way inciting civil unrest.

RDM_83 again · 19-06-2017 01:21AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Factually incorrect - a standard housefure is not capable of turning an entire human body into ash. For that, you need a creamtorium.

Depends what you mean by ash, a crematorium will break down human remains using agitation and high temperatures, however it may well get hot enough to render a body very hard to identify apart from with dental records etc
People have been cremating people since the stone age and they didn't use blast furnaces for it

Discodog · 19-06-2017 08:02AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Factually incorrect - a standard housefure is not capable of turning an entire human body into ash. For that, you need a creamtorium.

Factually incorrect as shown by another poster.

So we're now resorting to desperate rumours that are massively unlikely to the point of contradicting pretty much every currect policy and characteristic he has, are we?

This wasn't a standard house fire. The images shown of the inside of the block show that the temperature exceeded 900 degrees. One image shows that the glass doors of an oven had shattered. Bodies will of been destroyed & it will be extremely difficult to identify or recover DNA.

Samaris · 19-06-2017 08:23AM

They don't have to be reduced to ash to make DNA identification impossible - I was talking about this with a friend with a background in forensic anthropology. She commented that DNA identification is difficult after major fires as there needs to be enough soft tissue surviving to be able to get a good sample and also there needs to be a person with whom the DNA can be compared. If the entire family is dead, that becomes impossible. If the person is a recent immigrant without family in the UK, that becomes impossible.

No, sadly, there will be bodies that are assumed to be X person, but it will never be proven beyond doubt.

Help!!!! · 19-06-2017 09:09AM

deco nate wrote: »

Like, real help. Crazy posts

Have you ever heard of the Al Quds march in London??

Help!!!! · 19-06-2017 09:13AM

Yourself isit wrote: »

People protesting in democracy shocker.

Carrying flags of extremists?? Calling for the destruction of Israel?? Funny how a few carrying St Georges flags will get thousands running around calling racism but thousands of anti Israeli's carrying Hizbollah flags are applauded

Help!!!! · 19-06-2017 09:17AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Factually incorrect - a standard housefure is not capable of turning an entire human body into ash. For that, you need a creamtorium.

Factually incorrect as shown by another poster.

So we're now resorting to desperate rumours that are massively unlikely to the point of contradicting pretty much every currect policy and characteristic he has, are we?

Yes a standard house fire, not a tower where the top floors were still burning the the next day

If I am wrong about Corbyn then I hold my hands up but I guess it will all come out sooner or later

Al Quds march where Hizbollah flags are freely handed out to people including children all calling for the destruction of Israel

Widdershins · 19-06-2017 09:37AM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Yes a standard house fire, not a tower where the top floors were still burning the the next day

If I am wrong about Corbyn then I hold my hands up but I guess it will all come out sooner or later

Al Quds march where Hizbollah flags are freely handed out to people including children all calling for the destruction of Israel

There are pictures of young children wrapped in Jihadist flags with pictures of guns on them at the AlCnuts Day thing.

There were objections but I think Khan brushed them aside, despite having forbidden other marches (I'm not 100% sure which ones though, but the point is there were objections, and they were pushed aside to allow this vile parade of hate mongers)

I've read enough about the identification process to agree that it would be a very lengthy and careful process that shouldn't be rushed. People need to stop bellowing at them to release the final figures already.

Yourself isit · 19-06-2017 11:02AM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Carrying flags of extremists?? Calling for the destruction of Israel?? Funny how a few carrying St Georges flags will get thousands running around calling racism but thousands of anti Israeli's carrying Hizbollah flags are applauded

We care about Israel now?

Youve moved on from the protests against this tragedy to protests against Israel.

Help!!!! · 19-06-2017 11:25AM

Yourself isit wrote: »

We care about Israel now?

Youve moved on from the protests against this tragedy to protests against Israel.

Go back & read the my posts & the ones I've replied to & you will see why I posted that. Dont just take one post & then comment on it

Widdershins · 19-06-2017 11:56AM

Speaking of violence by Corbynites who've hijacked the Left and are openly aiming to overthrow the PM and have not to my knowledge been condemned by Corbyn himself, do people realise that a volunteer who was devoting himself to helping Grenfell fire survivors was beaten up on Friday?
*Because he was wearing a suit.* They thought he was a Tory councillor and saw him as fair game.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/18/tory-councillor-beaten-grenfell-tower-protesters-revealed-volunteer/?WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_iosshare_An9DjPZhtHjF
Set about by a pack of the Corbynite thugs with their hoods up and faces covered.
They seem to be part of the 'movement' for ''Justice for Grenfell''. The main organisers of this 'movement' seems to be Corbyn's footsoldiers, Momentum, the SWP who are accused of looking for donations and handing out Socialist Worker Party leaflets in the area, and ''BAMN, By Any Means Necessary'' who look like a fairly extreme group of 'activists'.

19-06-2017 12:12PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

They cannot identify alot of the bodies because they may be just ash....there would never have been 600people in a 120 flat tower. Or at least there shouldn't be. It will take a long time for the final total to come out

I live in an apartment building that is a lot less than half as wide as the one in london, and there are 4 apartments on each floor. I would say there were at least 8 flats per floor in that building. 24 floors, an average of 3 people per flat = 576 people.

Or at least there shouldn't be

In this case there is a lot of "shouldn't be".

Lux23 · 19-06-2017 12:14PM

The woman is in shock and grieving, people tend to lash out in circumstances like that and they certainly aren't logical.

Help!!!! · 19-06-2017 12:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I live in an apartment building that is a lot less than half as wide as the one in london, and there are 4 apartments on each floor. I would say there were at least 8 flats per floor in that building. 24 floors, an average of 3 people per flat = 576 people.

In this case there is a lot of "shouldn't be".

It was on the news 120flats in the building. But either way there was not 600people killed in the fire as that woman was trying to say

Help!!!! · 19-06-2017 12:17PM

Lux23 wrote: »

The woman is in shock and grieving, people tend to lash out in circumstances like that and they certainly aren't logical.

Why? she doesn't live there. She could still get her instagram mentioned twice.

Woman uses Grenfell Tower for publicity...Not!! Theresa May

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