Woman uses Grenfell Tower for publicity...Not!! Theresa May

Help!!!!

After the tragedy of Grenfell Tower its nice to see the local community come out to help. Unfortunately you've got the conspiracy theorists & the fame whores. This woman seems to have gone there to get dibs on both. Not only those she think everyone in the tower died because none of them are there to greet the volunteers so shes going home but what she does at 3:40 is despicable. I dont get this whole " oh poor me " mentality when people have lost their lives

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtPsvt3-14A

20Cent

What exactly is she doing wrong here?

KERSPLAT!

Didn't watch it all but it looks like more of the usual. Crazy lady talks crazy.

KERSPLAT!

20Cent wrote: »

What exactly is she doing wrong here?

She's talking like there's a big conspiracy, that all in the building died and the government and media are covering ut up. This obviously isn't true.

muddypaws

I've seen this shared a bit, with people saying 'the poor girl'. I don't know what is poor about her, she says at the beginning that she grew up around there, not that she lives there. She hasn't met any survivors, yet knows that their feet were burning as they went down the stairs?

She has a point about the lack of official support, and that it was all volunteers helping but yes, I agree with you OP, unfortunately there have been quite a few instances of media whoring around this tragedy. I guess when something like this happens, we see the best and the worst of people.

Help!!!!

20Cent wrote: »

What exactly is she doing wrong here?

Well if someone travels to volunteer then they are there to volunteer. Does she not think the people of the tower might have other things to be doing than meeting & greeting the volunteers? She says her & her friends brought barrels full of stuff for the victims :rolleyes: & then she gets a plug in for her instagram & that shes a DJ

20Cent

Think I'd give a pass to someone who's been through that.
The death toll is going to be way higher they probably won't even know the full toll in the end.

Help!!!!

20Cent wrote: »

Think I'd give a pass to someone who's been through that.
The death toll is going to be way higher they probably won't even know the full toll in the end.

Shes not been through it though. She used to live there & chances are all the people she knew have moved on. As she said she didnt watch the news, so shes uninformed spouting off that the media is lying. Its people like her that starts riots like what happened a few years back in London after Mark Duggan was shot & there are a number of people who will use this tragedy the same as that to loot stores & burn cars.

20Cent

Help!!!! wrote: »

Shes not been through it though. She used to live there & chances are all the people she knew have moved on. As she said she didnt watch the news, so shes uninformed spouting off that the media is lying. Its people like her that starts riots like what happened a few years back in London after Mark Duggan was shot & there are a number of people who will use this tragedy the same as that to loot stores & burn cars.

Bit of hyperbole there.

Working class people are allowed express themselves ya know.
She's not getting above her station.

Help!!!!

20Cent wrote: »

Bit of hyperbole there.

Working class people are allowed express themselves ya know.
She's not getting above her station.

What you going on about?? Who said anything like what your implying?

Irish Guitarist

She says she's not volunteering anymore. Sounds like she was waiting for her chance to be interviewed and now that she's gotten her 15 minutes of fame and gotten to advertise her instagram page wants to go home.

20Cent

She has a point though who is all the food gathered going to?

Help!!!!

20Cent wrote: »

She has a point though who is all the food gathered going to?

It will go to other poor families/homeless or to poor countries. What business is it of hers anyway people brought stuff to donate, the survivors will get what they need. Should it all go to waste?

Galwayguy35

The reason 17 people were named was because they have to identify them first and they can't know until the building is fully searched and the bodies located and identified how many are dead.

The clothes and food are for those who survived and lost everything, she's coming across as a bit on an idiot looking for publicity.

20Cent

Help!!!! wrote: »

It will go to other poor families/homeless or to poor countries. What business is it of hers anyway people brought stuff to donate, the survivors will get what they need. Should it all go to waste?

Glad you know what it will be used for, thats what she was asking.

20Cent

20Cent wrote: »

Bit of hyperbole there.

Working class people are allowed express themselves ya know.
She's not getting above her station.

Jaysus how did you reach that interpretation of their post?

Help!!!!

20Cent wrote: »

Glad you know what it will be used for, thats what she was asking.

Well what do you think will happen to it?? Theresa May to set up a grocery store to help pay off the national debt? She mentioned Oxfam so I guess Oxfam will divide it up to whoever needs it

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Conspiracy to achieve what...? Get the Tories out? They're doing that on their own. Leave them in? Dunno how it's supposed to achieve that.

suicide_circus

Conspiracy theories generally come from a desire to avoid the frightening notion that in fact, no one is really in control or knows what's going on and that we hang on to our stability and prosperity by our fingernails.

amcalester

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Conspiracy to achieve what...? Get the Tories out? They're doing that on their own. Leave them in? Dunno how it's supposed to achieve that.

Less labour voters?

lawred2

suicide_circus wrote: »

Conspiracy theories generally come from a desire to avoid the frightening notion that in fact, no one is really in control or knows what's going on and that we hang on to our stability and prosperity by our fingernails.

Or idiots looking for attention.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

amcalester wrote: »

Less labour voters?

By making a Conservative government look like it's placing more value on profit and weak safety regualations than people...?

Now really sure how it was supposed to work!

amcalester

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

By making a Conservative government look like it's placing more value on profit and weak safety regualations than people...?

Now really sure how it was supposed to work!

No, by killing them off.

A joke in poor taste.

Help!!!!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

By making a Conservative government look like it's placing more value on profit and weak safety regualations than people...?

Now really sure how it was supposed to work!

The problem is Corbyn & Khan both had there hands in no sprinkler systems being put into these tower blocks

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Help!!!! wrote: »

The problem is Corbyn & Khan both had there hands in no sprinkler systems being put into these tower blocks

I did not know this. Can you please direct me to where I can reac mroe specifcially where they expressed this? Especially Corbyn - considering he fmaously tried to get stringent safety-regulation acts for homes and flats through the Commons but was shouted down.

xzanti

I think the point she's trying to make is that more people have died than is being reported.

Hector Bellend

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

She's talking like there's a big conspiracy, that all in the building died and the government and media are covering ut up. This obviously isn't true.

If its obvously a false statement why are there so many people unaccounted for?

If you can explain this then great.

Hector Bellend

suicide_circus wrote: »

Conspiracy theories generally come from a desire to avoid the frightening notion that in fact, no one is really in control or knows what's going on and that we hang on to our stability and prosperity by our fingernails.

Society would have broken down of this was correct. We'd have no law or order

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

amcalester wrote: »

No, by killing them off.

A joke in poor taste.

More a case of being a bit too subtle!

Help!!!!

Hector Bellend wrote: »

If its obvously a false statement why are there so many people unaccounted for?

If you can explain this then great.

They cannot identify alot of the bodies because they may be just ash....there would never have been 600people in a 120 flat tower. Or at least there shouldn't be. It will take a long time for the final total to come out

Help!!!!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I did not know this. Can you please direct me to where I can reac mroe specifcially where they expressed this? Especially Corbyn - considering he fmaously tried to get stringent safety-regulation acts for homes and flats through the Commons but was shouted down.

In 2005 there was a vote on legislation that towers built before 2007 would be exempt from having sprinkler systems

Help!!!!

Help!!!! wrote: »

In 2005 there was a vote on legislation that towers built before 2007 would be exempt from having sprinkler systems

And you're saying Corbyn agreed via vote with this?

Help!!!!

Deleted User wrote: »

And you're saying Corbyn agreed via vote with this?

Labour were in Government & Corbyn was an MP
I dont understand why people think he's any different to the rest of the politicians

Help!!!!

Help!!!! wrote: »

Labour were in Government & Corbyn was an MP
I dont understand why people think he's any different to the rest of the politicians

Ok, look. Here's his record. Have a look through and highlight where he voted against sprinkler systems being mandatory.

It was a statutory instrument, not a bill.

He couldn't vote on it.

You're wrong.

http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn=Jeremy_Corbyn&mpc=Islington_North&house=commons&display=allvotes#divisions

Edited to add: also, look at the amount of times "rebel" or "rebel teller" appears in the last column. Doesn't always vote with the whip, and is therefore unlike most politicians.

Widdershins

Help!!!! wrote: »

Labour were in Government & Corbyn was an MP
I dont understand why people think he's any different to the rest of the politicians

It's the lack of a good suit.

Sort of deflects from the salary which is as huge as any other politicians, and the two pensions.

Help!!!!

Widdershins wrote: »

It's the lack of a good suit.

Sort of deflects from the salary which is as huge as any other politicians, and the two pensions.

He likes to encourage extremists to parade the streets of London

deco nate

Help!!!! wrote: »

The problem is Corbyn & Khan both had there hands in no sprinkler systems being put into these tower blocks

I Think you need help..

deco nate

Help!!!! wrote: »

He likes to encourage extremists to parade the streets of London

Like, real help. Crazy posts

So... No reply?

No hand up to admit you were wrong?

Yourself isit

xzanti wrote: »

I think the point she's trying to make is that more people have died than is being reported.

Amazing number of people who think there is something wrong with that. It's clear to me that the official number is low balled.

Yourself isit

Help!!!! wrote: »

He likes to encourage extremists to parade the streets of London

People protesting in democracy shocker.

Yourself isit

suicide_circus wrote: »

Conspiracy theories generally come from a desire to avoid the frightening notion that in fact, no one is really in control or knows what's going on and that we hang on to our stability and prosperity by our fingernails.

Or they come from the fact that's there are often conspiracies amongst elites.

20Cent

light touch regulation strikes again.
Apparently the full number of deaths will be announced tomorrow.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Help!!!! wrote: »

They cannot identify alot of the bodies because they may be just ash....there would never have been 600people in a 120 flat tower. Or at least there shouldn't be. It will take a long time for the final total to come out

Factually incorrect - a standard housefure is not capable of turning an entire human body into ash. For that, you need a creamtorium.

Help!!!! wrote: »

In 2005 there was a vote on legislation that towers built before 2007 would be exempt from having sprinkler systems

Factually incorrect as shown by another poster.

Help!!!! wrote: »

He likes to encourage extremists to parade the streets of London

So we're now resorting to desperate rumours that are massively unlikely to the point of contradicting pretty much every currect policy and characteristic he has, are we?

prinzeugen

deco nate wrote: »

Like, real help. Crazy posts

Corbyn did say people should "occupy" vacant homes and on live TV I believe. That is inciting civil unrest.

Also Corbyn supporters are using the fire for gain.

You can see the "Force the Tories /May out & Corbyn for PM" placards among the fire ones.

Look at the news.

Widdershins

That wasn't a crazy statement about extremists on the streets of London.. It's past time for Corbyn to unequivocally denounce and distance himself from it. Time for him to tell Momentum and co. this isn't what he wants, if he has any decency.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

prinzeugen wrote: »

Corbyn did say people should "occupy" vacant homes and on live TV I believe. That is inciting civil unrest.

Also Corbyn supporters are using the fire for gain.

You can see the "Force the Tories /May out & Corbyn for PM" placards among the fire ones.

Look at the news.

What he said was that they should be requisitioned by the councils, not occupied by the people. That was the tabloids rephrasing him. Regrdless fo whether you agree or disagree, there's a buge difference there and he is no way inciting civil unrest.

RDM_83 again

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Factually incorrect - a standard housefure is not capable of turning an entire human body into ash. For that, you need a creamtorium.

Depends what you mean by ash, a crematorium will break down human remains using agitation and high temperatures, however it may well get hot enough to render a body very hard to identify apart from with dental records etc
People have been cremating people since the stone age and they didn't use blast furnaces for it

Discodog

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Factually incorrect - a standard housefure is not capable of turning an entire human body into ash. For that, you need a creamtorium.



Factually incorrect as shown by another poster.



So we're now resorting to desperate rumours that are massively unlikely to the point of contradicting pretty much every currect policy and characteristic he has, are we?

This wasn't a standard house fire. The images shown of the inside of the block show that the temperature exceeded 900 degrees. One image shows that the glass doors of an oven had shattered. Bodies will of been destroyed & it will be extremely difficult to identify or recover DNA.

Samaris

They don't have to be reduced to ash to make DNA identification impossible - I was talking about this with a friend with a background in forensic anthropology. She commented that DNA identification is difficult after major fires as there needs to be enough soft tissue surviving to be able to get a good sample and also there needs to be a person with whom the DNA can be compared. If the entire family is dead, that becomes impossible. If the person is a recent immigrant without family in the UK, that becomes impossible.

No, sadly, there will be bodies that are assumed to be X person, but it will never be proven beyond doubt.

Help!!!!

deco nate wrote: »

Like, real help. Crazy posts

Have you ever heard of the Al Quds march in London??