Do you think kids need parents of opposite sex?

Science says that its Man and a Woman which is the natural order of creation. This isnt some religious dogma talking only the biology humanity. Man/Man Woman/Woman is fine but you cannot conceive a child naturally and I would not like to be a child of such creation be it by some other science or adoption.

One eyed Jack wrote:

From what I can see, their children are perfectly happy and healthy children, but you didn't ask for my opinion of their childrens welfare or their parenting skills, you asked has anyone saying that you need a parent of both gender ever actually seen a child come out worse for wear due to the lack of a particular gendered parent?

I mean if they know of any children who have grown up to be dysfunctional and/or with mental health issues etc as a direct result of them being raised by a single gender

sup_dude wrote: »

I mean if they know of any children who have grown up to be dysfunctional and/or with mental health issues etc as a direct result of them being raised by a single gender

... would just be a case of correlation not being causation. I mean, there are plety of examples of chidlren who grew up with paretns of both gerders and were dysfunctional.

Syphonax wrote: »

Science says that its Man and a Woman which is the natural order of creation. This isnt some religious dogma talking only the biology humanity. Man/Man Woman/Woman is fine but you cannot conceive a child naturally and I would not like to be a child of such creation be it by some other science or adoption.

Science has actually gone out of its way to prove the exact opposite to what you have just posted.

Takes a village to raise a child. I think once they have loving people in their life, male and female, who genuinely care for them and teach them, they will be ok. I'm a single parent and I earn more now than myself and the ex did together, she is no longer around an abusive man and she is happy and loved and provided for. I think I'm doing a good job considering; but I do it with the help of all around me- her school, my friends and family, my dad and brother are role models and show her what a good man is. Her father is a terrible example of a man.

Ideally she would have a lovely man to help me raise her and we would have a combined salary that sees us never go without, but as it stands we make do with what we have, which is more than many families have and we love each other and have support from many lovely men and woman in our community and that's what matters- not my marital status or the lack of a man in our house on a day to day basis. The more love a child has the better.

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Im not talking about the benefits to health that science can provide, the topic is very specific to the upbringing of children in society and in that regard I am not an advocate of wasting the valuable time of the scientific profession for which people have studied for. Id rather they used their time curing cancer as opposed to turning a man into a woman and vice versa and letting them create offspring in some absurd manner. But thats just me.

the_syco wrote: »

For the fcuks who say yes; what is your opinion of single parent families?

The f*cks? For having a different opinion than you?

One eyed Jack wrote: »

We're not anything close to that in either Ireland, Europe, nor Western society.

Thankfully.

The thing is that we could evaluate parenting scenarios if all criteria were equal and if all parents thought the same and if all children thought the same, but they don't, because apart from their parents being their primary influencers (which is why most people automatically assume that it is more beneficial for a child or children to be raised in a two parent opposite sex family home), the children themselves aren't blank slates.

You can even see the differences in how children are raised depending upon what type of neighbourhood they're brought up in. That's not to say one neighbourhood is better than the other if all you're trying to deduce is the outcomes for children. Whatever the outcome is, is only a matter of perspective, and most people don't wallow in their childhood as adults.

You're right, we're not, and I'd agree that's a good thing in a way. I would just say that they're not so rigid and there's more of a crossover now than there used to be. Just one example off the top of my head, I would say not many dads these days are passing down mechanical skills and general manual skills to their boys. Which, imo, is a pity. Or to their girls, either, though generally it was the boys.
Parents are filling the same kind of roles now regardless of gender.

gizmo81 wrote: »

I just today watched a segment on BBC new Sunday morning news show of the winner of Champion Adopter of the Year. A single Gay man who has adopted 4 children with varying special needs.

If straight people were such ideal parents then gay people wouldn't have children to adopt and wouldn't be winning Adopter of the Year, would they?

Is this text-book homophobia? Fear that gay people will make better parents perhaps?

ah here, parenting is on a curve like everything else. No one has said that the worst set of m/f parents are better than the best of any other combination.

Widdershins wrote: »

You're right, we're not, and I'd agree that's a good thing in a way. I would just say that they're not so rigid and there's more of a crossover now than there used to be. Just one example off the top of my head, I would say not many dads these days are passing down mechanical skills and general manual skills to their boys. Which, imo, is a pity. Or to their girls, either, though generally it was the boys.
Parents are filling the same kind of roles now regardless of gender.

You know I actually agree with all of your post, but that's because Western society has since the agricultural and industrial revolutions been moving away from manual labour and more into services industries, very much so here in Ireland where we have a booming tech sector, and farmers are having to be subsidised.

There are still plenty of fathers who pass on manual skills to their children, just as there are many mothers who pass on skills to their children. I couldn't tell you anything about how to fix a car, but my child goes tinkering about with lorry engines at the weekend with his granddad and the mechanic, learns all sorts of stuff. I offered to teach him how to knit, and he told me where I could stick my needles :pac:

Seriously though, before you lament the demise of cottage industries and traditional handcrafts and skills, have a look at maker culture, which is becoming a thing in the US, and though it's not quite the same as tinkering around under the hood of a car, there's plenty of things you can teach children with a laptop and a 3D printer and then let their imaginations go nuts!

Both boys and girls btw, coderdojo is another good place to start, so it's not so much that traditional roles are changing, but that it's society as a whole is changing, and people are adapting as quickly as they can. The expected gender, stereotypes, conformities and roles and so on are still pretty much the same as they always were, but the mediums through which we're disemminating our ideas and children are picking up on them, got a whole lot faster and more influential with each generation.

I don't think we'll end up at this point just yet though through our increasing dependence on services -




*reaches for another donut* :pac: