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Men of boards, what innocent behaviors have you changed out of fear?

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  • #32
    Are Am Eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    You cant help out some poor unfortunate kid who has no sweets, anymore, even though you might have a big bag of sweets in the passenger seat of the van. You just have to be careful of misunderstandings


  • #33
    zig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭zig


    jcd5971 wrote: »
    Right whilst the poster has his own view on the subject, as long as he isn't insulting demeaning, or acting any different towards them than he would act towards "normal" people, you sent that all we can ask really.

    I mean I hate cyclists as a group but I'm not going to run. Them over or attack them, and that's all the expected of me to do.

    A tad simplistic but what do you think?

    No , the poster is clearly making claims about something he knows nothing about.

    He is putting depression , anxiety and other disorders like schizophrenia in with gayness , transgenderism.

    He clearly knows nothing about both subjects. It would be different if he had a point. Then I'd say yea maybe it's worth discussing but if you're going to make claims like that then back them up if you're worried about offending people.


  • #34
    zig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭zig


    me_right_one wrote: »
    Gayness in general.



    At the mere mention of it, you got offended. Therefore, I curtail my discussion of it, to help people like you.


    There you go. You have accused me of being offensive already. This is because, YOU, are offended. Therefore, to alleviate your sensitivities, I cannot discuss a topical issue in any sort of detail.

    Maybe stop flippantly throwing out BS claims without giving them research and understanding and people might be happy to discuss them with you.

    You don't go to a psychological to cure gayness.


  • #35
    Loon E. Tick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 67 ✭✭Loon E. Tick


    If men are engaging in any type of avoidance behaviour then they've reached a point where they're actively contributing to perpetrating the myths and stereotypes about themselves. For sure there are creeps and weirdos out there but there's no need to mould yourself into one unnecessarily which is what will happen if you start changing the dynamics of ordinary everyday social interactions by overthinking everything.


  • #36
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    bnt wrote: »
    Similar to the OP. If I find myself walking behind a woman who's by herself, I'll cross the road just in case she thinks I'm following her. If I'm by myself I won't walk near kids' playgrounds.

    your second one seems very odd?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • #37
    Jim Bob Scratcher
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭Jim Bob Scratcher


    Valmont wrote: »
    I always hold doors open for women but I wonder whether I'm being offensive now, I really can't tell half the time. It's just a habit at this stage. I currently work in a children's mental health service and before I got the job I had an interview that had the sole purpose of trying to tell if I was a pedo. It was weird as hell, one of them was acting on the assumption I had made my fiancee up. Granted an actual predator could easily fake their way through. It's a crazy world we live in.

    FFS :mad:

    Had I been in your position I would have felt like tossing the ****wit out the window.

    Just wondering was it a woman who was interviewing you ?


  • #38
    Mongfinder General
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭Mongfinder General


    jcd5971 wrote: »
    Right whilst the poster has his own view on the subject, as long as he isn't insulting demeaning, or acting any different towards them than he would act towards "normal" people, you sent that all we can ask really.

    I mean I hate cyclists as a group but I'm not going to run. Them over or attack them, and that's all the expected of me to do.

    A tad simplistic but what do you think?

    Yeah but do you hate gay or transgender cyclists more than straight cyclists?


  • #39
    me_right_one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,041 ✭✭✭me_right_one


    zig wrote: »
    but if you're gonna start telling people they have a condition , disorder , illness when they don't then you're just offending them. Gayness isn't the same as depression.

    ....... wrote: »
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    Neither are the same as dyslexia. Both they are all forms of mental illness / disorder / condition. Not saying thats a bad thing whatsoever. But as this thread had demonstrated, the mere questioning of such things brings out accusations of ignorance / narrowmindedness / nonsense / homophobia etc. I have been namecalled these things in the previous posts - yes go back and look - yet I have not insulted anybody once. But somehow, I'm still the bad guy.

    Either way, these views are merely my OPINION. You have your OPINION, which happens to be different. Neither of us are psychologists, so why should your OPINION be any more valid than mine? My opinion could be changed if the right arguments were presented to me in a freely debatable way. But as long as you keep shouting my opinions down and throwing insults, you will continue to stifle debate, and therefore, undermine your own point of view.


  • #40
    ToddyDoody
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    I like the countryside and find, oddly enough, that Trabolgan is a great scenic location to walk some country grounds. I've stopped making the odd trip however as it was seen as a bit suspicious to be a grown man wandering alone around the grounds of a children's play resort.


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  • #42
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    me_right_one wrote: »
    Neither are the same as dyslexia. Both they are all forms of mental illness / disorder / condition. Not saying thats a bad thing whatsoever. But as this thread had demonstrated, the mere questioning of such things brings out accusations of ignorance / narrowmindedness / nonsense / homophobia etc. I have been namecalled these things in the previous posts - yes go back and look - yet I have not insulted anybody once. But somehow, I'm still the bad guy.

    Either way, these views are merely my OPINION. You have your OPINION, which happens to be different. Neither of us are psychologists, so why should your OPINION be any more valid than mine? My opinion could be changed if the right arguments were presented to me in a freely debatable way. But as long as you keep shouting my opinions down and throwing insults, you will continue to stifle debate, and therefore, undermine your own point of view.

    What's bisexuality then ?


  • #43
    jcd5971
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,546 ✭✭✭jcd5971


    Mongfinder General wrote:
    Yeah but do you hate gay or transgender cyclists more than straight cyclists?

    Of course not, I don't agree with the op at all for what its worth.

    I'm just saying isn't he entitled to his opinion even a wrong one, as long as he is not doing anything actually discriminating ?


  • #44
    jcd5971
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,546 ✭✭✭jcd5971


    Mongfinder General wrote:
    Yeah but do you hate gay or transgender cyclists more than straight cyclists?

    Of course not, I don't agree with the op at all for what its worth.

    I'm just saying isn't he entitled to his opinion even a wrong one, as long as he is not doing anything actually discriminating ?


  • #45
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Innocent?

    Right, let's go with that.


  • #46
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    My work overlooks the schoolyard my kids go to school. At lunchtime you could look out and see them play from a stairwell window.

    Other staff and the public could walk past. I felt really awkward, and felt like I should mention my kids were down there.

    I didn't look out as often as I'd have liked.


  • #47
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    jcd5971 wrote: »
    Of course not, I don't agree with the op at all for what its worth.

    I'm just saying isn't he entitled to his opinion even a wrong one, as long as he is not doing anything actually discriminating ?

    He is entitled to his (ignorant) opinion of course but if the society makes him keep it to himself surely it's a good thing?
    Otherwise he'll be out there telling people that they are mentally ill just because he doesn't understand anything not straight.


  • #48
    TerrorFirmer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    In fairness, me_right_one has a completely valid point and it's a pointed I've raised previously.

    People should be allowed to express an opinion without fear of being shouted and screamed down. I hate the way boards has gone with regards these types of topics - you can't say this, can't say that, it's stifling and it's not right.

    By all means listen to what he has to say and then point out why he's wrong. He's as entitled to his opinion as you are to tell him he's wrong. It seems these days that holding non-politically correct opinion is instantly equated with hatefulness, biogtry, homophobia, etc.

    There was another guy recently expressed his belief that transgender people were mentally ill and he was instantly banned. I think that's wrong. He should be entitled to hold his opinion once it's clear that it's a genuinely held opinion and not mindless trolling (I see nothing to suggest that me_right_one is engaging in same.)

    For what it's worth while I see where me_right_one is coming from, I don't personally share his beliefs - but I do believed he's entitled to his beliefs and should be allowed air them as part of reasonable, logical debate.


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  • #50
    LLMMLL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭LLMMLL


    me_right_one wrote: »
    yet I have not insulted anybody once.

    You don't think it's insulting to a person to be called mentally ill?

    Say you go to a party and have a great time then the next day hear that everyone at the party thought you were "mentally ill". You would be fine with that? Mentally ill is a neutral term to you? Come on.


  • #51
    bnt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,183 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    silverharp wrote: »
    your second one seems very odd?
    Then you're fortunate to be ignorant of how men are viewed these days.

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



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  • #53
    pickarooney
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    mhge wrote: »
    He is entitled to his (ignorant) opinion of course but if the society makes him keep it to himself surely it's a good thing?
    Otherwise he'll be out there telling people that they are mentally ill just because he doesn't understand anything not straight.

    Nowaday Western society dictates that being attracted to the opposite sex is standard, being attracted to the same sex is fine, being attracted to fat people is a fetish and being attracted to children is a mental illness. At certain points in time these lines get redrawn. This only happens when opinions are expressed and discussed.


  • #54
    Pac1Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    bnt wrote: »
    Then you're fortunate to be ignorant of how men are viewed these days.

    Avoiding walking near a playground is ridiculous though. Stopping and staring is a different matter.


  • #55
    bee06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,514 ✭✭✭bee06


    Interesting topic. As a woman, it would never occur to me that a man walking behind me was following me unless it was late at night and there weren't many other people around either. Seems a bit egotistical to assume every man in an everyday situation has some kind of nefarious intention when we are walking the same way.

    On the door holding thing, also doesn't bother me. I hold doors open for people too because I consider it rude to close a door in someone's face. I'd never assume a man holding a door for me was making some kind of sexist statement. And to be honest sometimes I need someone stronger to hold bloody doors open for me because I'm so weak!


  • #56
    MilesMorales1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭MilesMorales1


    silverharp wrote: »
    your second one seems very odd?

    I don't think so. People find it very odd to find a man alone by a children's playground. Even if the reasoning is perfectly innocent.


  • #57
    TerrorFirmer
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    ....... wrote: »
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    Opinions are not always 100% logical but unless they come from a place of actual malice or hate, I think people should be entitled to them as long as they are open to people challenging those views.

    I think it's a grave mistake to equate non-politically correct opinion, however misinformed you may feel it is, with groundless hate speech, trolling, et al.


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  • #59
    Mrs Shuttleworth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,517 ✭✭✭Mrs Shuttleworth


    me_right_one wrote: »
    I'm not homophobic. I dont hate gay people or treat them any differently. And I know plenty, who I get on with as well as anybody else.

    But it is my opinion that homosexuality is a mental illness. Well, its either a mental illness, or a physical one. Having three arms would be seem as a physical illness. Not necessarily a bad one, but definitely not normal. Having a penis when your mind tells you you should have a vagina therefore, is also a physical illness.

    Now, up until lately, there was no problem discussing and debating this. But about 5 years ago, anyone who "wasn't a bit gay themselves" suddenly became hitler. Now you cannot say anything, without first considering if it will hurt someone else's feelings on the matter, ESPECIALLY if you are an alpha male, stereotypical straight man.

    So my changed behaviour is that I suss someone out first to see if they will be offended by everything re gayness, or if they're ok. If they're the offended type, I just don't discuss any controversial topics with them.

    Its a sad reflection on society when people cant just "talk".

    This poster I think has phrased his question incorrectly. What I think he's trying to say is why is gay culture suddenly being actively promoted in society as opposed to casual, latent tolerance.


  • #60
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    bnt wrote: »
    Then you're fortunate to be ignorant of how men are viewed these days.

    Im not but I make a distinction between exercising my right to walk every street in the land and interacting with kids in this case. So sure even though Im a dad myself I would blank other kids (none of my business) but I wouldnt do anything that would inconvenience me. Even the crossing the road thing I wouldnt do, not my problem,the other person is free to cross the road if they are uncomfortable

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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