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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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  • #5912
    Frank Bullitt
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    wonderfullife wrote: »
    Dan Hardy said today there's "no chance" Floyd will finish Conor.

    I respect Dan's opinion on most things and he's adamant it goes the distance.

    Have any boxers said the same?


  • #5913
    wonderfullife
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    walshb wrote: »
    And he gets freedom of the city...

    Sheep grazing rights on St. Stephens Green also.

    We resolved our differences amicably :)


  • #5914
    JoeyJJ
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    I presume sky will win the Ppv rights for here, that means they will probably put together their own commentary team.

    I wonder will they hire in some mma talent


  • #5915
    wonderfullife
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    Gintonious wrote: »
    Have any boxers said the same?

    Steve Collins, Paschal Collins, Jason Quigley, Conor Wallace, Jamie Kavanagh are all saying Conor will win or can win but they're all friends with Conor or involved in his camp...


  • #5916
    wonderfullife
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    JoeyJJ wrote: »
    I presume sky will win the Ppv rights for here, that means they will probably put together their own commentary team.

    I wonder will they hire in some mma talent

    This doesn't bode well for Sky taking the fight. I've a hard time believing their Main Man would come out so publicly against the fight if he was commentating on it.

    https://twitter.com/IanDarke/status/875671763941822464


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  • #5917
    cletus
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    Gintonious wrote: »
    I disagree wholeheartedly. A win is a win, and a full 12 rounds (winning all of them) is just a dominant as stopping your opponent. Simple as.

    This is the type of argument that could be used if it goes 12.

    "Ah he did well, he went the distance", which is such garbage, if you go the 12 and lose every single one and never showed any signs of winning, how does that warrant any credit to be given?

    I'm not disputing that a win is a win. The question was what would one consider as Conor doing well. Looking at the fight, I would think that the fight should not go the distance.

    If Conor does manage to last all 12 rounds, I would view that as an achievement.

    Whether he sees the final bell because Floyd can't finish him, or decides to box uber defensively is another discussion


  • #5918
    Frank Bullitt
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    wonderfullife wrote: »
    Steve Collins, Paschal Collins, Jason Quigley, Conor Wallace, Jamie Kavanagh are all saying Conor will win or can win but they're all friends with Conor or involved in his camp...

    So they are helping to sell the fight then, you mean.


  • #5919
    JoeyJJ
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    Ouch
    wonderfullife wrote: »
    This doesn't bode well for Sky taking the fight. I've a hard time believing their Main Man would come out so publicly against the fight if he was commentating on it.

    https://twitter.com/IanDarke/status/875671763941822464


  • #5920
    walshb
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    Gerry, my position remains...this is not IMO a sporting contest. It is an event. I am not near alone in that view.

    I also am not near alone in thinking that there could be a staged element to it, whatever that is. Some agreements set out to stage how the fight unfolds. Again, not near alone in that view, hence this frustration you speak of can only be from persons who cannot even contemplate my views. I think it is me and others who hold my view that should be frustrated.

    All this is conjecture. None of us can know. Only team Floyd and team Conor can really know.

    And for the record I am hoping Conor scores a KO. For me that very very slim hope is his only hope, other than a DQ win or some other kind of freak way of winning.

    Conor somehow gets that magic KO and I will be gobsmacked, as will the rest of the world, and let's be honest, Conor as well.

    He can talk all he likes about being confident and believing he wins, but to really believe it is just downright foolish. And he is not that. So, why is he taking the fight?


  • #5921
    wonderfullife
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    JoeyJJ wrote: »
    Ouch

    Leads me to believe BT Sports are going to be carrying the fight.

    Or else Darke just brain-farted and will delete the tweet after a rollicking from his bosses.


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  • #5922
    Frank Bullitt
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    cletus wrote: »
    I'm not disputing that a win is a win. The question was what would one consider as Conor doing well. Looking at the fight, I would think that the fight should not go the distance.

    If Conor does manage to last all 12 rounds, I would view that as an achievement.

    Whether he sees the final bell because Floyd can't finish him, or decides to box uber defensively is another discussion

    I think thats an important fight, when opponents of Mayweather get defensive he starts to walk them down, and he is equally as dangerous in that mode as well.

    He also doesn't seem to care too much about how he gets the win, he can easily do 12 rounds at whatever pace he wants. Like I said, a win is a win, trying to detract from that or give the losing opponent "credit" cause he goes the distance is laughable IMO. Just look at Chavez against Canelo recently.


  • #5923
    walshb
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    wonderfullife wrote: »
    Sheep grazing rights on St. Stephens Green also.

    We resolved our differences amicably :)

    I'm an amicable guy. Hey, lots we clash on about this, but once it's civil and polite and engaging I am good to go.


  • #5924
    cletus
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    @walshb, we all know why he is taking the fight, money.

    If, and for me its a big if, there is a staged element as you call it, then I think it would be something Floyd decides to do himself to make the fight appear competitive. Anything more organised would require too many people being in on it (i.e. more than one) for it to not leak.


    And realistically I don't think Floyd needs to or would want to do that. He should be looking to go out there and finish him


  • #5925
    walshb
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    Does anyone truly believe that Conor truly thinks he beats Mayweather in a boxing contest? He might have a very slight belief of the Hail Mary KO, but does he truly believe he can win over 12 rds?


  • #5926
    wonderfullife
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    MMA fans who know Conor's career and story well, will agree with me on this....

    If Floyd Mayweather privately said to Conor "Listen I'll go easy on you and let you win a few rounds" i.e. try to "stage a fight"....

    Conor would say "you'll do fookin nuttin".

    I know this is a hard concept for boxing folks to understand but Conor's self-belief is bordering on delusional. He's a disciple of the Law of Attraction and The Secret.

    If you want to doubt his skills, his cardio, his ring-craft by all means but don't doubt the fact he internally believes he will beat Floyd.

    There'll be no "staging" or secret agreements on Conor's end.


  • #5927
    cletus
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    Gintonious wrote: »
    I think thats an important fight, when opponents of Mayweather get defensive he starts to walk them down, and he is equally as dangerous in that mode as well.

    He also doesn't seem to care too much about how he gets the win, he can easily do 12 rounds at whatever pace he wants. Like I said, a win is a win, trying to detract from that or give the losing opponent "credit" cause he goes the distance is laughable IMO. Just look at Chavez against Canelo recently.

    But at least Chavez is a pro boxer.

    On the boxing forum the general consensus is that McGregor is at best a mediocre club boxer.

    If you were told that a boxer of an equivalent level from, say, your local club was going to fight Mayweather, would you not expect a stoppage? If it went the distance would you not think the club level boxer had done well to not get finished by the best boxer of his generation


  • #5928
    JoeyJJ
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    This has to be ppv in UK sky box nation obvious choices however itv and others might go for it.

    Bt haven't done ppv yet not sure they will go for this


  • #5929
    Lucas Hood
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    Haven't seen Ian Darke on sky in years.

    He works for BT on football.


  • #5930
    Gamebred
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    What will be staged I can guarantee will be madness at the press conferences, it will be like McGregor Diaz all over again to push this.


  • #5931
    wonderfullife
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    walshb wrote: »
    Does anyone truly believe that Conor truly thinks he beats Mayweather in a boxing contest? He might have a very slight belief of the Hail Mary KO, but does he truly believe he can win over 12 rds?

    As above, I 100% believe that Conor believes he will win.

    Not an element of doubt in my mind that he believes it. Ariel Helwani and Dana White have also sworn blind they believe that Conor believes it.


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  • #5932
    Frank Bullitt
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    wonderfullife wrote: »
    MMA fans who know Conor's career and story well, will agree with me on this....

    If Floyd Mayweather privately said to Conor "Listen I'll go easy on you and let you win a few rounds" i.e. try to "stage a fight"....

    Conor would say "you'll do fookin nuttin".

    I know this is a hard concept for boxing folks to understand but Conor's self-belief is bordering on delusional. He's a disciple of the Law of Attraction and The Secret.

    If you want to doubt his skills, his cardio, his ring-craft by all means but don't doubt the fact he internally believes he will beat Floyd.

    There'll be no "staging" or secret agreements on Conor's end.

    Take what you said about Conor there, and multiply it by a couple of hundred and you get Mayweather. Mayweathers self belief and ego are off the charts.


  • #5933
    Lucas Hood
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    JoeyJJ wrote: »
    This has to be ppv in UK sky box nation obvious choices however itv and others might go for it.

    Bt haven't done ppv yet not sure they will go for this

    BT teamed up with Boxnation recently.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2016/11/11/boxnation-to-be-made-available-to-bt-sport-subscribers-as-pair-s/


  • #5934
    wonderfullife
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    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    Haven't seen Ian Darke on sky in years.

    He works for BT on football.

    Apologies got my networks mixed up :rolleyes:


  • #5935
    cletus
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    walshb wrote: »
    Does anyone truly believe that Conor truly thinks he beats Mayweather in a boxing contest? He might have a very slight belief of the Hail Mary KO, but does he truly believe he can win over 12 rds?

    No, but what's he supposed to say "He'll probably rearrange my face, but sure there's great money in it"

    I think he thinks he'll last the distance, then claim that the best in the world couldn't finish him at his own game, and if it was a "real fight" it wouldn't last 5 minutes, thus claiming the moral victory


  • #5936
    wonderfullife
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    Gintonious wrote: »
    Take what you said about Conor there, and multiply it by a couple of hundred and you get Mayweather. Mayweathers self belief and ego are off the charts.

    Yep, exactly why I'm looking forward to it so much. They both believe they'll win.

    It's going to be a cracking fight I really think it'll be shades of Collins-Eubank in terms of rhythm and pace to it.


  • #5937
    Frank Bullitt
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    cletus wrote: »
    But at least Chavez is a pro boxer.

    On the boxing forum the general consensus is that McGregor is at best a mediocre club boxer.

    If you were told that a boxer of an equivalent level from, say, your local club was going to fight Mayweather, would you not expect a stoppage? If it went the distance would you not think the club level boxer had done well to not get finished by the best boxer of his generation

    Not really a fair comparison unless the local boxer had the MMA background that Conor has, thats the only reason this fight is happening, that and how Conor talked himself into it as well.

    FYI, I do expect the fight to be stopped as well.


  • #5938
    cletus
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    Gintonious wrote: »
    Not really a fair comparison unless the local boxer had the MMA background that Conor has, thats the only reason this fight is happening, that and how Conor talked himself into it as well.

    FYI, I do expect the fight to be stopped as well.

    About as fair as Canelo Chavez

    So if the general consensus is a stoppage for Floyd, by default McGregor does well not to be stopped, no?


  • #5939
    walshb
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    wonderfullife wrote: »
    As above, I 100% believe that Conor believes he will win.

    Not an element of doubt in my mind that he believes it. Ariel Helwani and Dana White have also sworn blind they believe that Conor believes it.

    Does that not strike you as very silly on Conor's part?

    Be kind of like Seb Coe really thinking he could have taken Carl Lewis in the long jump..

    I don't believe Conor believes it because I don't believe him to be that obtuse. He is a career athlete who is a boxing fan. He knows the sport and he knows his level. I think people believing that Conor believes is doing him a disservice.


  • #5940
    Frank Bullitt
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    cletus wrote: »
    About as fair as Canelo Chavez

    So if the general consensus is a stoppage for Floyd, by default McGregor does well not to be stopped, no?

    How does one do well for losing? Unless its a SD like De La Hoya against Mayweather.


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  • #5941
    Frank Bullitt
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    wonderfullife wrote: »
    Yep, exactly why I'm looking forward to it so much. They both believe they'll win.

    It's going to be a cracking fight I really think it'll be shades of Collins-Eubank in terms of rhythm and pace to it.

    Well, thats really a new one. If McGregor could keep that pace that would noble.


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