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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,545 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    Luke Rockhold was shorter to beat Michael Bisping in their fight a year ago than Floyd is to beat someone with a 0-0 record in pro-boxing.

    Let that sink in for a moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,304 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool



    Thinking about this since the announcement. Life imitating art. Have to watch that film again, absolutely brilliant.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭TherapyBoy


    McGregors odds will stay short as long as people are backing him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Fromvert wrote: »
    I cannot believe McGregor is a short as 4/1, 9/2 in places

    How much closer in the betting will it go? I was expecting this to be a no bet fight with Mayweather being way too short to get a decent return but looks like I was way off.

    Yay free money


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Schaub is some tool box his podcast has been hilarious lately he thinks hes Kevin Hart now that he does a few stand up shows, isnt his arse angling for a espn spot hes actually that much of a meathead.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,293 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Conor will struggle to land a glove on him, unless Mayweather doesn't train and lives on twinkies until the fight. I genuinely think he could beat him with one hand, it's simply a different sport that has some crossover.

    This comment is far more stupid than Schaubs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Depp wrote: »
    Schaub firmly on team conor anyway...no way he pulls it off? seriously?

    Brendan has his moments of talking crap but he's been pretty consistently supporting Conor for the last 3 years. One of my favourite clips is the Joe Rogan Fight Companion for UFC 189 with Brendan and Bryan Callen going nuts when Conor stopped Chad!

    I also agree with him on this bet. Max Kellerman is the smug personification of every boxing fan out there. Teddy Atlas already crawled out of the woodwork calling MMA fighters "cave-men compared to boxers", which is funny because he seems to genuinely believe boxers would win in a street fight.

    Anyway, I agree with Brendan and already put my neck on the line for ridicule on the boxing forum saying this but I believe the scorecards will read 19-19 going into the 3rd round, with Conor obviously winning one of the first two rounds.

    People are saying Conor's unusual footwork, stance, range, movement will be completely useless in boxing but I disagree and believe it will take Floyd the bones of 2 rounds to get his timing down on Conor's entries and set-ups.

    You said yourself you were looking forward to the buildup. This is the kind of ****e that'll be forthcoming for two months.

    Dillon grapples often at 82kg (180lb) and claims to walk around at 190-195lb in some interviews. Amir has fought at 135lb's or lower 21 times as a pro!

    If Dillon wants to go wild and get some media attention by calling out Andre Ward, knock himself out with it but he just looks foolish calling out someone 4 inches smaller and (at least) 3 stone lighter than him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Brendan has his moments of talking crap but he's been pretty consistently supporting Conor for the last 3 years. One of my favourite clips is the Joe Rogan Fight Companion for UFC 189 with Brendan and Bryan Callen going nuts when Conor stopped Chad!

    I also agree with him on this bet. Max Kellerman is the smug personification of every boxing fan out there. Teddy Atlas already crawled out of the woodwork calling MMA fighters "cave-men compared to boxers", which is funny because he seems to genuinely believe boxers would win in a street fight.

    Anyway, I agree with Brendan and already put my neck on the line for ridicule on the boxing forum saying this but I believe the scorecards will read 19-19 going into the 3rd round, with Conor obviously winning one of the first two rounds.

    People are saying Conor's unusual footwork, stance, range, movement will be completely useless in boxing but I disagree and believe it will take Floyd the bones of 2 rounds to get his timing down on Conor's entries and set-ups.




    Dillon grapples often at 82kg (180lb) and claims to walk around at 190-195lb in some interviews. Amir has fought at 135lb's or lower 21 times as a pro!

    If Dillon wants to go wild and get some media attention by calling out Andre Ward, knock himself out with it but he just looks foolish calling out someone 4 inches smaller and (at least) 3 stone lighter than him.

    I have to disagree on the bolded. Footwork is crucial in boxing, way more than MMA, the reasons for this are obvious.

    Floyds feet are amazing to watch, and thats how he positions himself so well to counter when an opponent opens on him. When he moves back he still has his stance and balance to throw a punch.

    I do hope that the sparring we have seen from McGregor sparring Van Heerden is just a memory, distant at that. If he moves like that against Mayweather he will eat way more than a human should take.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor



    Dillon grapples often at 82kg (180lb) and claims to walk around at 190-195lb in some interviews.
    He's was 197lbs verses AJ


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Any bookies giving odds on Conor to win/not win any round?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    Mellor wrote: »
    Any bookies giving odds on Conor to win/not win any round?

    Try William Hill...Boxing..Future#YourOdds..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Hmmm.

    Interesting. Darren Rovell, ESPN's sports business expert is forecasting the Gate to be $77 million.

    That would work out at an average ticket price of $6,550 (up from the $6,250 of May-Pac) and beat the $72.1 million gate record they set.

    The cheapest ticket in the bleachers will start at $1,650 with the most expensive Octagon side being $50,000.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Will be full of Irish fans outside, not so much inside the arena anyways.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Will be full of Irish fans outside, not so much inside the arena anyways.

    I think it'll be jammed with Irish for the presser and weigh in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    The credit unions will be busy I'm sure.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    I think it'll be jammed with Irish for the presser and weigh in.

    6 months in to 2017 how many ppv's have the UFC sold Wonder?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Gamebred wrote: »
    6 months in to 2017 how many ppv's have the UFC sold Wonder?
    If guess around 1.3m buys across 5 events


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Gamebred wrote: »
    6 months in to 2017 how many ppv's have the UFC sold Wonder?

    1,320,000 buys for the 5 events (200k Holm GDR, 280k Woodley Thompson 2, 300k Cormier Rumble 2, 300k Miocic Santos 2, 240k Aldo Holloway).

    For comparison:

    By this stage in 2016 they had sold 2,485,000 buys (close to double).

    TL;DR - UFC 196 (Conor v Nate 1) did the same amount of buys as UFC 208, 209, 210, 211, 212 combined.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Since 2005, the UFC had only once failed to have a 500,000+ buys PPV in the first half of a year and that was 2014. That was partly because Renan Barao headlined 2 of those PPV's and Mighty Mouse another one.

    Even allowing for how bad the first half of 2014 was, they sold 1,550,000 in the first 6 months.

    2017 is the worst first half of the year for the UFC PPV wise since 2005 and partly explains Conor v Floyd.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    2017 is the worst first half of the year for the UFC PPV wise since 2005 and partly explains Conor v Floyd.
    There's also some chicken and egg going on.
    Poor numbers contribute to CvF.
    But CvF contributes to poor numbers, due to no McGregor fight during the Jan-Jun.

    Take UFC196 out of 2016 an your left with due 1.15m buys between the rest. Only 4 events, but similar ballpark.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,181 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Given the context, I don't see what's wrong with that. Let's have at it. We'd all be interested in that too if we're honest, if only to see one of these lads get smashed. Line 'em all up.

    Really getting into the swing of things here, like being a member of the baying mob at the stocks...

    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,181 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Mellor wrote: »
    There's also some chicken and egg going on.
    Poor numbers contribute to CvF.
    But CvF contributes to poor numbers, due to no McGregor fight during the Jan-Jun.

    Take UFC196 out of 2016 an your left with due 1.15m buys between the rest. Only 4 events, but similar ballpark.

    Yep.

    I've no idea on where to even start speculating on how much the UFC is going to make on this fight. I'll give it a try though, let me know if you think I'm going wrong anywhere Mellor!

    I think the fight will sell 5.8 million PPV's @ $109.99 (HD) or $99.99 (standard) in North America. I really think it will obliterate all previous records and they'll go greedy with the pricing. That bit is just based on the insane amount of social media impressions the fight announcement generated (was really off the charts).

    Now, this is just complete guess work but I think it's reasonable to guess the overall split between camps was 60% Floyd and 40% Conor. Floyd v Berto did very poorly on PPV and Conor was able to bring 4 consecutive 1m+ buys to the table, couple to that he's not a boxer so I think they probably went 60-40 to get a deal done.

    Breaking down Conor's end of it and knowing everything we know about the UFC, you'd have to imagine their side of the fight split was also 60-40 (60% Conor, 40% UFC).

    Anyway that might be way off but if that's the case we're looking at the UFC clearing 16% of the overall take, Conor clearing 24%.

    I think the fight will do over 1.5m buys in the UK and will probably break Danny Green v Anthony Mundine's PPV record in Australia.

    I was going through a few analytics on google and the countries Conor is most searched in are 1. Ireland 2. UK 3. Australia 4. Russia 5. America. 6. Canada 7. Germany.

    I think they can break records in all of those markets.

    I've been reading up about Showtimes PPV deal and unlike UFC PPV's there's not much in costs. I.e. The UFC only make $34 out of the $60 for a PPV, whereas very little went off the top of the $100 May-Pac PPV.

    TL;DR:

    Best Case (5.8m buys):

    Floyd - $230 million net
    Showtime - $90 million
    Conor -$120 million
    UFC - $80 million

    If I'm mis-reading demand and the fight only does 3m buys then just divide those numbers in half and I'll come back and eat crow but I really think we're looking at staggering numbers for this event. Social media impressions from last nights announcement were on an unprecedented scale for a sporting event.

    Conor's fight announcement tweet is now the 3rd most RT'd sports tweet of all-time and the most liked sports tweet of all time. All inside 2 days.. It has an outside chance of getting to the number 1 spot on RT's, currently Leicester City's "Champions" tweet which is at 389,000 RT's. (Conor up to 246,000 RT's, 450,000 Likes).

    I think it's going to do unheard of numbers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,377 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    You are a legend Wonder.. Love the effort you put in to your posts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭hewhoscares


    The McGregor PPV numbers are based on conjecture and not much more.

    And I'd be shocked at his part of the pot being 40%. The is a Mayweather promotion and on showtime.

    He's making Bank off this. But the PPV upside will be with Floyd as the A side.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,099 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    The only way Conor wins is an early stoppage.

    Backed him at 10/1 with PP in Rds 1-3.

    8/1 on KO, and 9/1 on TKO.

    If it goes longer than three rounds, then Floyd takes it easily.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,534 ✭✭✭xtal191


    Maybe a stupid question but is it at all possible that Floyds Team and Showtime gave the UFC, lets say $150m (just a random figure) and said there you go, you and Conor split that how you want but we're pocketing all ppv money etc etc?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think Conor would be less inclined to promote the fight if he got a simple lump sum. Now maybe that's what he is getting but that would be a mistake on the part of the organizers imo.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    walshb wrote: »
    If the fight is two fit and healthy men going at it 100 percent committed and with no agreement in place it will not be at all competitive....

    The only way this is competitive is for an agreement to allow it to be (or one man suffering with his health and being unwell).....and like I said, any knowledgeable fan of combat sports will see it and dissect it.

    The hot take from the boxing forum:

    If Conor does well and makes it a competitive fight, it was due to a clandestine agreement to rig the fight to make it competitive.

    I'd love Conor to KO him stiff just to see the lunatic conspiracy theories coming out of that forum.


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