Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

buzzwell · 12-06-2017 11:12PM

Dominique Small Slavery wrote: »

Maybe so but if the main players have kept stum about the death of a little girl for 40 years I'd doubt very much they'd worry about perjuring themselves at an inquest.

That could be so and should be tested, but it doesn't address the inexplicable excuses given by the coroner refusing to hold one.

It looks like a convenient collusion to suppress the truth to suit a certain few.

by8auj6csd3ioq · 15-06-2017 07:52PM

"having an inquest would move things on, it would make all living witnesses give testimony." Not necessarily. The penalty for not going to an inquest is very small. The ex garda seems surprised the suspect did not answer him. Of course he didn't.

What do people who blame the gardai think they should do? How will they get evidence if the suspect, and anyone who has information, keeps silent

"A "result" now would only raise very serious questions now as to why the childs disappearance wasn't investigated vigorously as a murder." if it was investigated vigorously as a murde how would they get evidence in the light of a silent suspect?

by8auj6csd3ioq · 15-06-2017 07:53PM

protesting outside suspects house will do nothing only cuse trouble for the protestoers. They will be protesting outside the home of someone legally innocent. Could be bordering on harassment

Overheal · 15-06-2017 09:27PM

Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »

protesting outside suspects house will do nothing only cuse trouble for the protestoers. They will be protesting outside the home of someone legally innocent. Could be bordering on harassment

You don't necessarily have a right to protest on private property... and I'd like it if no one suggested it as a good idea or something. Cheers lads

qhe0i9zvfgdou8 · 15-06-2017 11:42PM

Overheal wrote:

You don't necessarily have a right to protest on private property... and I'd like it if no one suggested it as a good idea or something. Cheers lads

Don't think anyone mentioned protesting on private property only you :-)

Overheal · 16-06-2017 03:33AM

Good just stay off my lawn

buzzwell · 16-06-2017 11:39PM

Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »

"having an inquest would move things on, it would make all living witnesses give testimony." Not necessarily. The penalty for not going to an inquest is very small. The ex garda seems surprised the suspect did not answer him. Of course he didn't.

What do people who blame the gardai think they should do? How will they get evidence if the suspect, and anyone who has information, keeps silent

"A "result" now would only raise very serious questions now as to why the childs disappearance wasn't investigated vigorously as a murder." if it was investigated vigorously as a murde how would they get evidence in the light of a silent suspect?

The gardai dont suspect anyone behaved suspicuously as far as I can see, so its not going to be ever a problem is it?

Easier to let old father time do his job than round up a few who were present and whos care she was entrusted in on the day for seperate questioning in different stations.

Mind you they did that in the Fiona Sinnott investigation and got nowhere.

But at least they tried.

by8auj6csd3ioq · 17-06-2017 02:03AM

Easier to let old father time do his job than round up a few who were present and whos care she was entrusted in on the day for seperate questioning in different stations. " You cannot round up people. you can ask them to speak or answer questions. they can say no. or you can arrest them for question and they have to gobut you need evidence for that and can still say nothing .

If they arrested someone for sinnot they must have had evidence

buzzwell · 19-06-2017 10:25AM

Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »

Easier to let old father time do his job than round up a few who were present and whos care she was entrusted in on the day for seperate questioning in different stations. " You cannot round up people. you can ask them to speak or answer questions. they can say no. or you can arrest them for question and they have to gobut you need evidence for that and can still say nothing .

If they arrested someone for sinnot they must have had evidence

They have the evidence of her disappearance.

Like the Mary Boyle case, it was Evident that she had disappeared and the gardai suspect that there are individuals with knowledge of what actually happened and weren't disclosing it for whatever reasons.

"Six people were arrested in 2005 on suspicion of withholding information, but no charges were brought and no breakthrough made."

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/fresh-digs-imminent-for-missing-fiona-sinnott-349216.html

Maybe you're saying there's no evidence of a disappearance in either case, there is no suspicion of anyone knowing more than they have said and arrests shouldn't have been made?

The recent appeals regarding both cases would suggest that it is believed by gardai that there are individuals in circulation who are privy to what happened in both cases.

by8auj6csd3ioq · 19-06-2017 10:59AM

you have to have evidence of involvement to arrest someone.in sinnot they apparently did . In Mary apparently not. in sinnot the evidence seemingly did not extend to enough to charge. arrested people have rights don't have to answer questions. a lot of people are in prison who would be free had they stayed silent instead of falling for interrogation techniques. a lot of guilty who kept silent are free

if you really think i am saying there's no evidence of a disappearance in either case, or if you are saying it just to bolster your argument i could not be bothered replying

People here should read about law and evidence needed to arrest. what is needed to ground arrest and what is needed after, rights when arrested etc

buzzwell · 19-06-2017 08:52PM

Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »

you have to have evidence of involvement to arrest someone.in sinnot they apparently did . In Mary apparently not. in sinnot the evidence seemingly did not extend to enough to charge. arrested people have rights don't have to answer questions. a lot of people are in prison who would be free had they stayed silent instead of falling for interrogation techniques. a lot of guilty who kept silent are free

if you really think i am saying there's no evidence of a disappearance in either case, or if you are saying it just to bolster your argument i could not be bothered replying

People here should read about law and evidence needed to arrest. what is needed to ground arrest and what is needed after, rights when arrested etc

Perhaps you'd like to provide a link to something official which states that "evidence" is required before a gardai can make an arrest.

A reasonable suspicion of involvement in committing a crime is all that is required for gardai to arrest and detain a suspect in cases such as the ones we're discussing.

You can also be arrested more than once on suspicion of the same offence.

by8auj6csd3ioq · 20-06-2017 12:07PM

Arrest also needs an arrestable offence to have been committed or be in the process of being committed . what arrestable offence was committed? There is no body and no forensics i know of which points to an arrestable offence having been committed

buzzwell · 20-06-2017 12:26PM

Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »

Arrest also needs an arrestable offence to have been committed or be in the process of being committed . what arrestable offence was committed? There is no body and no forensics i know of which points to an arrestable offence having been committed

There doesn't have to be, and there isn't, in either case, a body or forensics, that you know of.
This is the point I'm trying to get through to you.
A suspicion of crime having been committed is all that is required.
It's clear you're out of your depth here, or just trolling for some entertainment value.

qhe0i9zvfgdou8 · 20-06-2017 01:02PM

Definitely plenty for an arrest under suspicion in my opinion. But its also probably unlikely at this stage. That's why I think protests are been made in totally the wrong area.

by8auj6csd3ioq · 20-06-2017 05:25PM

where is the arrestable offence. you are the one out of your depth/trolling if you think the gardai can round up people but believe what you want

by8auj6csd3ioq · 20-06-2017 05:28PM

"A suspicion of crime having been committed is all that is required."
wrong

buzzwell · 21-06-2017 01:00AM

Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »

where is the arrestable offence. you are the one out of your depth/trolling if you think the gardai can round up people but believe what you want

Here's one for starters.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1998/act/39/section/9/enacted/en/html

Or this one

Criminal Justice (Withholding of Information on Offences against Children and Vulnerable Persons) Act 2012

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2012/act/24/enacted/en/print#sched1

buzzwell · 21-06-2017 01:03AM

Dominique Small Slavery wrote: »

Definitely plenty for an arrest under suspicion in my opinion. But its also probably unlikely at this stage. That's why I think protests are been made in totally the wrong area.

Protesting outside a person's home would be a bit like a lynch mob though.

Better to protest against an organ of the state.

qhe0i9zvfgdou8 · 21-06-2017 05:09AM

buzzwell wrote:

Better to protest against an organ of the state.

Waste of time in my opinion. A protest in Dublin is of no concern to the suspect or those withholding information.

by8auj6csd3ioq · 21-06-2017 09:55PM

withholding information arrest should be directed against the person who allegedly told sgt Collins they know what happened rather than suspect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUQSA_CAkIc

might get some info which would lead to arrest of suspect

razor8 · 28-06-2017 07:17PM

Have seen the latest cliams on twitter by Gemma?

Allegations have emerged that FF politician #SeanMcEniff, who covered up the #MaryBoyle murder, was involved in the sexual abuse of a child

by8auj6csd3ioq · 28-06-2017 09:51PM

@razor8

All i see is "Shocking new claims about #SeanMcEniff, @fiannafailparty longest-serving politician, will be released here tonight" has she taken it down?

by8auj6csd3ioq · 28-06-2017 09:51PM

@razor8

All i see is "Shocking new claims about #SeanMcEniff, @fiannafailparty longest-serving politician, will be released here tonight" has she taken it down?

razor8 · 28-06-2017 10:05PM

What I posted was copied straight from her twitter account

razor8 · 28-06-2017 10:08PM

Still there posted 22 hours ago

by8auj6csd3ioq · 28-06-2017 10:40PM

se it now razor8, thanks

dense · 13-08-2017 08:12PM

It's over a year ago since the documentary.

Sad that things have gone very quiet from all angles.

Mods, would it be an idea to rename this thread?
It doesn't stand out to anyone browsing as being about Mary Boyle at all?

by8auj6csd3ioq · 15-08-2017 09:00AM

"It's over a year ago since the documentary. "
wow it is

Creol1 · 25-09-2017 09:19PM

"Dep @MichealMartinTD has no moral authority to lecture @sinnfeinireland when @fiannafailparty has so many questions to answer on #MaryBoyle" -- Gemma O'Doherty on 18th September on Twitter.

Gemma O'Doherty's documentary was excellent, but her heavy politicisation of the Mary Boyle case, epitomised by this ridiculous tweet, is only going to make it less and less likely that justice will be done. The FF angle centres on the belief that FF Cllr Seán McEniff, whom she didn't have the courage to name until he died earlier this year, asked the Guards to lay off a person of interest. This is strongly contested and the Gardaí who have made the allegation have given contradictory accounts of it. Even if it were true, does anyone really believe that Fianna Fáil itself would have supported Cllr McEniff in doing this and that the Guards would have taken their cue from a councillor? A few years after Mary Boyle disappeared, the Guards apprehended Malcolm MacArthur in the home of Fianna Fáil's AG. Would that have been likely if the implied nexus between the Garda and FF really existed?

There are very serious questions about the Mary Boyle disappearance and the accounts provided by certain members of her family. If Gemma O'Doherty and the people who stage protests about Mary Boyle outside FF HQ genuinely want to get to the bottom of the situation, they should try not to come across as a politically-motivated vendetta.

qhe0i9zvfgdou8 · 27-09-2017 01:50PM

The answers lie within the family in my opinion so protesting outside FF headquarters is a waste of time.
Obviously a political corruption story is better for Gemma though.

Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

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