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Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

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  • #2312
    UsedToWait
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭UsedToWait


    afkasurfjunkie wrote: »
    A very quick google of Donegal news answered this for me straightaway.

    O


  • #2313
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,419 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    The Assistinator wrote:
    Really sickening to see that at least one person who should be locked up because of this will never see the inside of a cell now. He is one man deserved to get locked up because of the roll he played and I hope he is remembered for this and this alone don't like to speak il of the dead but for humanity's sake the world doesn't need people like that.

    It might be a blessing in disguise as a dead person cannot sue for defamation and a lot more information might come out.


  • #2314
    qhe0i9zvfgdou8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 422 ✭✭qhe0i9zvfgdou8


    Is it not the case that regardless of political interference (don't know if there was any or not) the real cover up is by Marys family.


  • #2315
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    Dominique Small Slavery wrote: »
    Is it not the case that regardless of political interference (don't know if there was any or not) the real cover up is by Marys family.

    yes I believe the political interference was attempted but no one knows to what degree.

    but yes to me the real definite problem is the type of cover up you mention


  • #2316
    mikeymouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭mikeymouse


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    yes I believe the political interference was attempted but no one knows to what degree.

    but yes to me the real definite problem is the type of cover up you mention

    This little clip; while it puts the name in the frame, does not go
    as far as to say there was interference .
    Gemma up to her editing tricks again.


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  • #2317
    The Parish Priest.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 613 ✭✭✭The Parish Priest.


    mikeymouse wrote: »
    This little clip; while it puts the name in the frame, does not go
    as far as to say there was interference .
    Gemma up to her editing tricks again.

    It's obvious that a local FF gombeen would try to interfere on behalf of a card carrying constituent , same thing happens all the time today. The thing about this case is why the gardai and the media have always gone out of their way to blame randomers when it's clearly a cover-up within a family.


  • #2318
    buzzwell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 176 ✭✭buzzwell


    Well did anyone's conscience make them contact the Gardai after the CrimeCall appeal earlier this year?
    What are the cops doing in Donegal????
    Thinking about stuff?


  • #2319
    buzzwell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 176 ✭✭buzzwell


    mikeymouse wrote: »
    This little clip; while it puts the name in the frame, does not go
    as far as to say there was interference .
    Gemma up to her editing tricks again.

    So what do you think happened to the girl?
    Fell in a hole?


  • #2320
    mikeymouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭mikeymouse


    buzzwell wrote: »
    So what do you think happened to the girl?
    Fell in a hole?

    No


  • #2321
    buzzwell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 176 ✭✭buzzwell


    mikeymouse wrote: »
    No

    Then I'd be inclined to leave Gemma up to her little tricks. The more there are the more questions that arise.


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  • #2322
    by8auj6csd3ioq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭by8auj6csd3ioq


    anyone who has to "get up to tricks" to make a point is not a journalist .No more trustworthy than whoever they are tricking


  • #2323
    buzzwell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 176 ✭✭buzzwell


    Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »
    anyone who has to "get up to tricks" to make a point is not a journalist .No more trustworthy than whoever they are tricking

    The ex copper should just come out with some actual facts, details, names instead of this beating around the bush bullshît??

    I agree 100%. But let her indulge him.
    Pity the ex coppers haven't got more gumption to talk publicly.


  • #2324
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    buzzwell wrote: »
    The ex copper should just come out with some actual facts, details, names instead of this beating around the bush bullshît??

    I agree 100%. But let her indulge him.
    Pity the ex coppers haven't got more gumption to talk publicly.

    The minute they did, though, it would end any chance of a successful trial!


  • #2325
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Knock it off everyone. If you have a problem with a post, do NOT respond to it, REPORT it. And not both, either.


  • #2326
    razor8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭razor8


    Gemma has a new video up on twitter of retired investigator


  • #2327
    PeterTheNinth
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    razor8 wrote: »
    Gemma has a new video up on twitter of retired investigator

    Thanks for the heads up. Seems like Gemma uploaded these three videos in the last few hours.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eipb0081yLw


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5ucfVlX8PA


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5ucfVlX8PA


    And this was uploaded a few weeks back. In this video Martin Collins apparently names the Fianna Fail politician who ordered the cover up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJlmteWAhDk


    Seems that Cllr Sean McEniff died in April of this year, so maybe that is now why Martin Collins is prepared to name him.

    http://donegalnews.com/2017/04/funeral-sean-mceniff-bundoran/

    Martin Collins comes across as genuine. Seems like he just wants to get to the truth of the story.


  • #2328
    qhe0i9zvfgdou8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 422 ✭✭qhe0i9zvfgdou8


    I see the protests outside Fianna Fail headquarters is ongoing. I really don't understand what can be achieved by this.
    As I see it whether or not there was political interference is immaterial in the great scheme of things.
    The real cover up and prevention of justice is down to the family.


  • #2329
    buzzwell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 176 ✭✭buzzwell


    Dominique Small Slavery wrote: »
    I see the protests outside Fianna Fail headquarters is ongoing. I really don't understand what can be achieved by this.
    As I see it whether or not there was political interference is immaterial in the great scheme of things.
    The real cover up and prevention of justice is down to the family.

    The prevention of justice, and the bungling 40 year investigation looks like it has Fianna Fail hands all over it.

    Thats how it looks. Looks don't matter of course.

    But if the case was solved now, or someone who was present at the scene on the day was arrested and questioned, questions would be asked about why couldn't it have been solved 40 years ago.

    The charade, which from the outside appears to be, of not knowing anything about the go easy on my mate, he's a Fianna Failer phone call, must be continued, otherwise the whole house of cards falls down, big time.

    Fianna Fail can deny having anything to do with any allegation concerning their members, dead or alive, and claim to want to see the institutions of justice do their work and the clock keeps ticking, waiting for another death to occur, so a few can let out 40 year sighs of relief.


  • #2330
    qhe0i9zvfgdou8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 422 ✭✭qhe0i9zvfgdou8


    All that may or may not be so. In my opinion it doesn't matter. It's the family cover up that's preventing justice for Mary.


  • #2331
    buzzwell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 176 ✭✭buzzwell


    Dominique Small Slavery wrote: »
    All that may or may not be so. In my opinion it doesn't matter. It's the family cover up that's preventing justice for Mary.

    Aided and abetted by a police force who wont investigate the case properly.

    And a local coroner who won't go against the police force.

    That family holds some sway.

    The truth won't be found if the authorities have decided it's not going to be found.

    If that all came from a carefully placed phone call based on being political buddies or for political favours 40 years ago, it's time to protest.
    Even if that call was never made it makes no difference.

    There's more than the family at fault here.
    That shouldn't be forgotten.


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  • #2332
    qhe0i9zvfgdou8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 422 ✭✭qhe0i9zvfgdou8


    If the member of the family goes to the guards with what she knows it would be investigated.


  • #2333
    buzzwell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 176 ✭✭buzzwell


    Dominique Small Slavery wrote: »
    If the member of the family goes to the guards with what she knows it would be investigated.

    What's wrong with some pro active investigation by the gardai on this?
    An inquest by the coroner?

    Because even after a confession, if they "solve" it now they'll look stupid and inept. They'll even look inept at this remove if they take anyone in for questioning now. They've made a balls of it, treating this case "sensitively" from the start.


  • #2334
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,270 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    buzzwell wrote: »
    What's wrong with some pro active investigation by the gardai on this?
    An inquest by the coroner?

    Because even after a confession, if they "solve" it now they'll look stupid and inept. They'll even look inept at this remove if they take anyone in for questioning now. They've made a balls of it, treating this case "sensitively" from the start.

    Don't think so.
    If new evidence comes their way they must investigate.
    Would suit a lot of garda to solve this case i'd say.


  • #2335
    qhe0i9zvfgdou8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 422 ✭✭qhe0i9zvfgdou8


    tayto lover wrote:
    Don't think so. If new evidence comes their way they must investigate. Would suit a lot of garda to solve this case i'd say.


    I agree. I'm in no way saying guards or politicians are whiter than white I'm not that naive.
    But the simple facts are that family members know what happened and won't admit it. At this stage they probably never will


  • #2336
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    Marys twin has gone to the gards with everything she has been told over the years
    The two Retired gards have submitted a detailed statement on everything they know and were told by Marys own mother
    Margo O Donnell who supported Marys mother for decades after Mary went missing has made a full detailed report

    Yet the county coroner won't even open an inquest due to how it would "Affect Marys mothers health"

    About the Fianna Fail protests there is a valid point there but people are just so frustrated, and they need a focal point for that frustration and Sean McEniff I do believe interfered in this case, to what extent I don't know , the retired gards said he had little influence but its still very wrong that he tried to interfere anyway.. the only alternative would be to the FF Protests would be to protest outside the suspect's house .


  • #2337
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,087 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    They might be better off protesting outside the Garda Station :)


  • #2338
    qhe0i9zvfgdou8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 422 ✭✭qhe0i9zvfgdou8


    I'm not in any way trying to belittle the efforts of Marys sister, Margo, yourself
    or any of the people trying to get justice for Mary.
    The problem with Marys sister and Margo telling the guards what they were told over the years is it's just hearsay and of no use in court.
    The protest if anywhere should be outside the suspects house or that of the person withholding evidence.
    I'm not sure if holding an inquest would move things on or not.


  • #2339
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    Dominique Small Slavery wrote: »
    I'm not in any way trying to belittle the efforts of Marys sister, Margo, yourself
    or any of the people trying to get justice for Mary.
    The problem with Marys sister and Margo telling the guards what they were told over the years is it's just hearsay and of no use in court.
    The protest if anywhere should be outside the suspects house or that of the person withholding evidence.
    I'm not sure if holding an inquest would move things on or not.

    having an inquest would move things on, it would make all living witnesses give testimony.


  • #2340
    buzzwell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 176 ✭✭buzzwell


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Don't think so.
    If new evidence comes their way they must investigate.
    Would suit a lot of garda to solve this case i'd say.

    Rank and file or the hierarchy?

    I hope your right but can't understand the lack of a theory or the questioning of a suspect.
    What have they been doing since 1977??

    A "result" now would only raise very serious questions now as to why the childs disappearance wasn't investigated vigorously as a murder.

    Think about those questions and how they'd be answered and you get the mess that is the police service here and specifically in wild west country which is Donegal. Another scandal to deal with.

    They dont want that.


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  • #2341
    qhe0i9zvfgdou8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 422 ✭✭qhe0i9zvfgdou8


    oranbhoy67 wrote:
    having an inquest would move things on, it would make all living witnesses give testimony.

    Maybe so but if the main players have kept stum about the death of a little girl for 40 years I'd doubt very much they'd worry about perjuring themselves at an inquest.


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