David Icke...is he f*cking insane?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Because that would involve reading something and doing research. Also.... lizards.

So you're saying people on boards cant read or research?.

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

The Lizard theory is just swiped from Ancient Sumerian mythology. Older Indian texts also make reference to beings from above who wielded wonder weapons that destroyed whole towns and villages.

Stonedpilot wrote: »

So you're saying people on boards cant read or research?.

No, I'm saying they can but choose not to.

markodaly wrote: »

Well compared to Lizard people roaming the earth, talk about a NWO certainly seems sensible but in isolation NWO talk is pure nonsense. The world is chaos with systems controlling it for the most part. There is no secret cabal of people in dark suits doing a secret ceremony in the woods controlling the world.

Bohemian Grove would disagree.


Funny out of all the Chaos you never hear of a Rothschild or Monarch losing everything,jobs or houses or companies shutting down and hit bottom ratting a cup for change. That kind of crap is reserved for us Joe soaps. Think of it as a kind of amusement drama for our unelected masters. All systems in the World are set up to benefit the domimant minority. More people realize this the better.

The whole shebang well
Its all a swindle baby.

markodaly wrote: »

Well compared to Lizard people roaming the earth, talk about a NWO certainly seems sensible but in isolation NWO talk is pure nonsense. The world is chaos with systems controlling it for the most part. There is no secret cabal of people in dark suits doing a secret ceremony in the woods controlling the world.

Yeah, that's just a slightly less fanciful version of the lizard-appearance idea.

markodaly wrote: »

Clearly you must have been asleep during the American presidential elections, where the entire American media establishment was for Hilary and against Trump.

How much airtime and promotion did Sunders get during the primaries in comparison to Trump or Clinton?

That was the aim. Once it was Clinton v Trump, it didn't matter who got in. Spending on defense would continue and the wars would go on.

It is easier to believe that there is some secret hand ruling everything around us, that there is an order to it all than to believe that we live in a world of chaos barely held together that could go to **** anytime.

The battle we have in the world is not between us (slaves) and them (some secret NWO cabal) but between order and chaos, where by order is kept by systems, be it political, economic, social managed by us, humans.

Is everything in order if you live in Syria?

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Bohemian Grove would disagree.

No, actually it would. The onus is on the conspiracy nuts to prove that a secret society that rules the world exists. If I can google Bohemian Groove, see videos and pictures of it, read reports from journalists about it, then its not very secret now is it. Alex Jones tried to expose this years ago but nothing much turned up.

The people who sell the conspiracy stuff are mostly snake oil sales men, who make a lot of money from gullible fools. That is actually the whole tragedy here. People who are 'aware and awake' who see themselves as seeing the true reality of the world, like Neo in the Matrix, are actually suckered and are being used and monitised. If Calsberg could do irony.

Funny out of all the Chaos you never hear of a Rothschild or Monarch losing everything,jobs or houses or companies shutting down and hit bottom ratting a cup for change. That kind of crap is reserved for us Joe soaps. Think of it as a kind of amusement drama for our unelected masters. All systems in the World are set up to benefit the domimant minority. More people realize this the better.

One hundred years ago the Romanov dynasty who ruled Russia for over 300 years were brought out to a remote house in some Russian wood and executed.
The entire Russian aristocracy was pretty much dismantled over night, losing everything. There is no monarch today in either Germany or Austria when there was 100 years ago. World war one changed much.

As to the whole Rothschild thing, well being a banker or should I say a Jewish Banker its like selling crack to junkies, easy as. The idea of Jewish money men controlling the world is an idea as old as Europe itself. One put forward by many people, from the Roman Catholic Church to the National Socialist Party in 1930's Germany.


But no, you are awake to whats really going on , while the rest of us are asleep.

markodaly wrote: »

Have no idea. Trump was the draw for the networks because of one thing and one thing alone. Ratings, and that meant more commercial revenue. Not some secret organisation telling the networks to give over more airtime to Trump, just cause they have some secret plan to have more war.

If you want to complain about Sanders treatment, go talk to the DNC as they alone are responsible for that. Again, though its take a half truth (DNC messing with Sanders) but you get NWO and lizard people.

Tells me all I need to know about your level of research.

Incidently, I'm not complaning. It's the way it is - I just get on with my life.

Nice goal post shifting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_endorsements_in_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016
500 endorsements for Clinton
30 endorsements for Trump.

I mentioned Saunders ages ago. Goalposts still in same place. The idea was to stop (or rather, to silence) Saunders - after that, they didn't care. either one was going to implement the required policies.

Nope, the Middle East is a chaotic place due to many many different factors which proves my point. The perpetual fight we humans have is between order and chaos. We create systems in order to being well order. Take the EU for example, created to bring order to Europe and stop future wars, then a thing like Brexit happens, chaos rears its head again as the whole thing could unravel.

These systems are the product of hundreds of years and millions upon millions of humans trying to do their best to bring order. Not some dozen secret cabal in some forest or wood.

This is pretty much why its called a New World "Order". My point was: order, realtive to whom?

markodaly wrote: »

Yet, here you are with an opportunity to convince me but you do not take it.
Sanders gets unfair treatment from the DNC = New World Order
Is that all you have?



You kind of are complaining in this very thread.




No, you were quite specific on who the media back, you stated that there is a media bias and that 'they favour right wingers every time' apart from the last time it seems from an American point of view. Goal posts were moved as it was Sanders versus everyone else, apart from the fact that Trump and Sanders were both anti establishment candidates.




Relative to whom? People and wider society. People like order, that is why we have countries and systems in place to try and keep it that way, where change is a slow and hard slog.

There is nothing new about this, the Greeks were on about this 2,500 years ago.


http://quatr.us/greeks/philosophy/rationality.htm

The Eastern philosophers too were onto this. Have you ever seen the Yin Yang symbol? What does it mean?

I would advise to spend more energy reading into the different philosophies of the world, as you will get far far more truth and understanding of the world and how it works than David Icke or some randomer on YouTube making tabloid like easy to swallow arguments for the masses.

Anyone can watch a 3 hour video on Youtube and be 'awaken' to the reality of the world. It takes a lot more effort to spend time reading, digesting and reflecting on various philosophical thoughts about the world with no guarantee of any easy answers at the end of it.

Conspiracy nuts are just lazy intellectually challenged people, who start off with the correct question, in asking what is the reality of the world, but are either too lazy or stupid to go any further, so like a junk food addict, gorge themsleves on what ever is easy and instantly satisfying.

Clinton and Trump are both right-wing. Saunders was the only real left candidate. You obviously did some research into how much media coverage Clinton and Trump got, but, curiously, you don't know with Saunders. (Incidently, you only count newspaper enrosements, why not tv and magazine as well?)

You're still not taking the order/chaos point relatively. If I have a rival; I want to be orderly, but I want him to be in chaos. Hence the situation in the Middle East and, as you bring it up, Brexit. But the conservative view would be that they will survive: the rich and elite of the UK will not be the ones to suffer if they get a bad deal. Bring in Corbyn and he'll try and unify the parties and find a consensus, and nullify the chaos you want to create. You cause as much chaos as you can for your rival. Look at the continuous efforts by the US to destabilise regions in the Middle East and South America. If you need further information watch a documentary called "The War on Democracy".

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Clinton and Trump are both right-wing. Saunders was the only real left candidate. You obviously did some research into how much media coverage Clinton and Trump got, but, curiously, you don't know with Saunders. (Incidently, you only count newspaper enrosements, why not tv and magazine as well?)

Em, the link I gave you included both magazine and newspaper endorsements. Television networks typically do not have an editorial policy in terms of who they endorse but it was clear who most of them were backing.

You're still not taking the order/chaos point relatively. If I have a rival; I want to be orderly, but I want him to be in chaos. Hence the situation in the Middle East and, as you bring it up, Brexit. But the conservative view would be that they will survive: the rich and elite of the UK will not be the ones to suffer if they get a bad deal. Bring in Corbyn and he'll try and unify the parties and find a consensus, and nullify the chaos you want to create. You cause as much chaos as you can for your rival. Look at the continuous efforts by the US to destabilise regions in the Middle East and South America. If you need further information watch a documentary called "The War on Democracy".

This is a pretty incoherent argument that I will try to address bit by bit.

First of all, if you think the US are actively trying to destabilise the Middle East then you are utterly wrong. Why have the US government, over decades backed various dictators and regimes? To being stability and order. Of course there was the secondary motive of not allowing the then USSR a foothold into the region but the primary role was to bring order so that the world economy can tick over and access the vast amount of oil reserves there. Post war American foreign policy is baed on this order principle where no one will be allowed to have a regional hegemony.

The Arab spring marked a change where the US pretty publicly stated that they were going to take a more hands off approach to the Middle East and see what would happen. The results are self evident with Libya disintegrating, Egypt going from coup to coup, Syria being a warzone and Saudi Arabia being much more active in pushing its weight around in the region. They want to be able to dictate terms to other countries, push Shia Iran into a corner and fill the gap left by the Americans.

This has nothing what so ever with conspiracies, hooded guys jacking off in a forest, NWO type stuff. This is just realpolitik plain and simple where countries are pursuing their own self interest, which often results in chaos first and then order.

It is nothing to do with rivals being in chaos. It is about the reality of the state or a person pursuing order. The Nazi's wanted to destroy European Jewry and Communism so that they could bring racial order to Europe. They didn't want chaos among the jewish population or in Soviet Russia, they wanted both of them annihilated.

All ideologues want to bring order, even the likes of Corbyn.

Anyone who argues that the various world leaders are fecking lizards is going to get all the snarking he deserves. No-one asked him to put his madder notions out into the public sphere.

It really doesn't entirely matter how often he's incidentally correct on other things when the main course of his beliefs focus on shapeshifting aliens.


I will absolutely apologise to the guy if it turns out we really are being invaded by giant shapeshifting lizards but until that day arrives, I'm sticking with the notion that he's predominantly bonkers.

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

The hypocrisy of your average conspiracy theory subscriber never ceases to give me a laugh.

"Wake up sheeple, stop believing what the mainstream media tells you"
*Goes back to some Facebook page run by... who the f*ck knows? to swallow every theory, no matter how far fetched because hey... it's different to what those stupid sheep believe.

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It's worked well so far for Donald Trump. He based a whole campaign on wake up sheeple