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Irish so-called "cities"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,692 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    zetalambda wrote: »
    :D Keep dreaming. Dublin is a mickey mouse city. A true metropolis is New York, London, Tokyo. Even when you compare Dublin to other cities with similar population it's still seems so small. Take Calgary in Canada for example which has less people than Dublin. Below is the city center.
    In Calgary, it regularly reaches -30C in winter. Large buildings are an imperative to stay out of the weather and to conserve energy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 822 ✭✭✭zetalambda


    Victor wrote: »
    In Calgary, it regularly reaches -30C in winter. Large buildings are an imperative to stay out of the weather and to conserve energy.

    I've never seen it go below -25 and people generally don't leave their homes when the temperature is that low.
    Large buildings are imperative to lining the pockets of developers or are built in overcrowded cities lacking space.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    It's a label with an historic meaning, nothing more.

    Here in France, a "cité" can be as small as a few office buildings, an estate of tower-blocks or (in my local village, population 750) the mediaeval bit in the centre (population probably about 25).

    I the US places like Eugene OR, Battlefield WA, Hobart IN, and other tiny areas are called"cities".

    Athlone or Sligo would be as big or bigger than most us "cities".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    Victor wrote: »
    Dublin City Coucnil is a hint.

    Few cities have airports in them.

    About 120,000 for the city, but there are quite a few suburbs and adjacent towns. from Ballincollig to Midleton and around the harbour, its about 280,000.

    In contrast, if you take everything inside Larne-Bangor-Lisburn-Antrim, you are pushing to around 800,000-900,000, something many people don't appreciate.

    Showing your inner northerner? ;)

    Aye. Well of the 4 towns/1 city in Lisburn it's only Lisburn that you could argue is even remotely part of Belfast. Antrim is 20 miles from Belfast. As you would find out if you ever flew into Belfast so callled international airport.

    As for inner northerner I admit that my Scottish heritage sometimes makes me watch the pounds.... and pennies..... no bad thing imho.. you won't catch me slabbering about how many 100 thousand my house is worth one year then the next it being worth the price of a push up bra in pennies ffs. ;-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,629 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Have to disagree with you there. Dublin is a mid-size city by global standards. Definitely not in the top 10 in the USA.

    Dublin only feels big because Ireland is a small country.

    Dublin has twice the population of Boston


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,193 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I thought Tuam in County Galway would get a mention, is that not considered a city, probably the smallest in Ireland anyway.

    Well for decades it was a sh1thole but it's really coming into it's own over the last few years, quite a pleasant little town with a few factories there and houses were reasonably priced also.

    Although be careful if buying, if it's a nice house at a knockdown price there's a reason for that, best to find out who the neighbours are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,193 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Ceratinly a great city. But one I haven't had much luck with. I was asked my religion outright a few times on a visit down there which in all my time in Belfast I have never been asked. This was in the central tourist area too.

    I thought originally that I wouldn't visit again but have decided to give it another try and stay in a decent hotel. Though as a city it's very expensive imho so my wallet will be saying NO.

    I know you said it's unlikely but if you ever change your mind I'd recommend Cork as a city to visit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    I know you said it's unlikely but if you ever change your mind I'd recommend Cork as a city to visit.

    I will consider it but whenever I think of cork I get an immediate image of Roy Keane... ha...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 Onthatpoint417


    Quazzie wrote: »
    Dublin has twice the population of Boston

    Boston in Lincolnshire?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Django99


    I always find this topic bizarre, as if we should be ashamed for calling anything but Dublin and Belfast cities. And then we get comparisons to places like London and New York.

    Would people count the following UK places as cities? Edinburgh, Newcastle, Cardiff, Swansea? Because if you want to compare them to London you couldn't, but they are cities, the same way Cork, Limerick etc are. Most countries follow the same patterns of settlement, its simply to do with the Geography and population where cities are based and how large they become.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭chosen1


    Quazzie wrote: »
    Dublin has twice the population of Boston

    Dublin has 100,000 less than Boston within their respective city limits. Urban area it's something like 1.2million in Dublin vs 4 million in Boston!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 Onthatpoint417


    Django99 wrote: »
    I always find this topic bizarre, as if we should be ashamed for calling anything but Dublin and Belfast cities. And then we get comparisons to places like London and New York.

    Would people count the following UK places as cities? Edinburgh, Newcastle, Cardiff, Swansea? Because if you want to compare them to London you couldn't, but they are cities, the same way Cork, Limerick etc are. Most countries follow the same patterns of settlement, its simply to do with the Geography and population where cities are based and how large they become.

    I agree that this sometimes can be a bizzare conversation, especially the idea that Dublin is some kind of country town just because it's not New York. By any measure Dublin is a major city excluding the great metropolises.

    But I do think it is worth pointing out how silly it is for quite small towns in Ireland to be so desparate for the "city" label. This isn't evident in other countries. This results in things like the laughably named "city loop" in Sligo. There are 75 settlements in the UK with a population of more than 100k (so bigger than Limerick), only a small chunk of whom are called cities and of the rest I doubt any are campaigning for the label. Indeed, the great cities of Manchester and Leeds do not have "city halls", they have "town halls" and there's no campaign for a renaming. Their town halls are rightly a source of pride. Yet in Sligo as far as I know the town's council chamber is known as the "city hall" even though the town historically was not known as a city!!!

    It's time we, as a country, ditched this pointless and bizarre insecurity!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,420 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    I don't get why our historical city is being used as an excuse for our low pop density when Rome has a higher density than us.

    I don't know why you quoted me. I was talking about public transport, not about densities or Rome.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 822 ✭✭✭zetalambda


    Quazzie wrote: »
    Dublin has twice the population of Boston

    Dublin has about 18 times the population of San Francisco.

    San Francisco in the Philippines...



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭please helpThank YOU


    A "village" that seems to be a lot more successful at attracting companies to locate there than Limerick is, strange one that.
    400 more New Jobs for Limerick today Northern Trust Financial Service to add to there 1000 Jobs already in Limerick.?


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you had to pick the centre of population gravity on the island (bit of a guesstimate) but it would probably be in the SW area of Co. Louth, maybe Meath.
    Kilcock apparently.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,863 ✭✭✭seachto7


    Boston in Lincolnshire?

    No. Boston in Clare.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,193 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    400 more New Jobs for Limerick today Northern Trust Financial Service to add to there 1000 Jobs already in Limerick.?

    Lots of work for the lads in Southhill and Moyross so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Lots of work for the lads in Southhill and Moyross so.

    Plenty of people from Moyross or Southill run/manage companies like this believe it or not...but I wouldn't expect you to care about that...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭please helpThank YOU


    Lots of work for the lads in Southhill and Moyross so.
    ahahahaha very funny:):D


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭please helpThank YOU


    The work never goes to the people of Moyross and Southill .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,193 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Don't take it so serious lads, Galway is getting lots of slagging on the threads as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 Onthatpoint417


    Don't take it so serious lads, Galway is getting lots of slagging on the threads as well.

    A guy told me that Galway is G4. Like D4. I think there's definitely something in that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    A guy told me that Galway is G4. Like D4. I think there's definitely something in that.

    Just not what he thinks.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭please helpThank YOU


    :):D
    A guy told me that Galway is G4. Like D4. I think there's definitely something in that.
    Very Clever ahahahah:D:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    of course it must be noted that dublins growth economic and populations growth is massively being hindered by DCC...


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