2017 UK General Election - 8th June

prinzeugen wrote: »

And the UK will resemble the East side of it if Corbyn ever gets in power.

The Tories are bringing about a hard Brexit which will do more economic damage than Corbyn ever could.

I'm old enough to remember Michael Foot and the '83 manifesto and Corbyn's was nothing like that.

What a truly disgusting women Theresa May is.

https://twitter.com/montie/status/873285673683496965

I don't think any sitting DUP MPs ever collected a police officer's killers from prison. It's more than a bit much to go on about alleged paramilitary links with the biggest party in NI when the second biggest is an offshoot of a paramilitary organisation. A pox on both their houses. It's a shame NI politics has gone the way it has, things seem to be getting closer to some sort of endgame there but it'll get very ugly before it does.

prinzeugen wrote: »

As am I but most of the younger voters that went and voted for Corbyn have no idea what a little socialist utopia would really be like.

Nationalising BR and the Royal Mail is hardly Cuba or North Korea.

A Little Pony wrote: »

So if Sinn Fein were in a position that the only way to get a government arranged for now was to go into coalition or supply and demand arrangement with FG you would be opposed to it?

100% I would. Look what happened to Irish Labour when they did that very thing. Part of the reason SF have been so successful is because they've refused to prop up rightwing austerity parties.

prinzeugen wrote: »

As I have said elsewhere on boards, renationalisation of BR will cost billions and Billions unless they are planning some sort of 1917 Russia style seizure of assets.

Where is the money going to come from?

From very rich people who don't need it.

FTA69 wrote: »

http://www.irishnews.com/news/2016/10/29/news/arlene-foster-has-no-regrets-over-being-pictured-with-a-uda-commander-760193/

Here's our good mate Arlene pictured smiling away happily with Dee Sitt, a senior member of the proscribed UDA and employee of a Loyalist community group she has sought funding for. The UDA also endorsed the DUP in these elections, although the DUP are now busy saying they don't condone that. Came out of nowhere. So it did.

Likewise the DUP and its leaders have had associations with the UVF, Third Force and also Ulster Resistance which actually imported weapons into Ireland from apartheid South Africa.

Even if you don't feel like discussing the glaring hypocrisy about the Tories jumping into bed with people close to death squads we could just concentrate on the fact they're a troglodyte shower of nasty reactionary bigots?

Thanks for that, wasn't aware of it.

Helps to confirm me in my opinion that SF and the DUP are cut from the same cloth. Your whole post has shades of the good republican comments from Gerry Adams and the activities of various SF public representatives from Dowdall to Ferris.

devnull wrote: »

It's ridiculous that she tries to carry on, she has no authority within her own party let alone in a government and with the EU, she just looks like she is deluded and is hanging onto power at all costs.

She's essentially operating with a cabinet she wanted to kick her Chancellor out of, and make other senior leadership changes, but had to call it off because she cannot afford to annoy a single member of her team as they could well end up being a ring leader of a coup attempt.

In the National interest of the UK she should resign and put the country before her own pathetic grip to hold onto power and not let go of it. The public don't want her, her own party don't want her, even the Daily Mail is turning on her from what I have just seen.

It is laughable that she is leading a party and making decisions she doesn't even think are good for the country or her own party, but does so to hang onto her job for as long as possible. It's essentially willful dereliction of duty.

You are correct, but she's been in politics for over three decades and has just scaled the mountaintop - if she gives up here (and you have very ably articulated why she should do so) then it's all over. She imagined that her calling this election would herald a minimum of five years of glorious reign, buttressed by a sympathetic and supportive press and a jingoistic national mood. That's all over now, and she's obviously still processing it all.

She'll never be allowed fight another election so we enter an unseemly period where she staggers around mortally wounded before the death of her political career is confirmed. One thing that's worth thinking about is how it may be beneficial for Boris or whoever else is sharpening the knives to allow a few weeks of the restarted negotiations to take place with its accompanying negative messages before they take over. Whoever comes in will have to fight an election in the medium term so it may be no harm to allow May absorb some more of the coming damage before her political corpse is discarded.