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2017 UK General Election - 8th June

devnull

As discussed in the Brexit thread, probably best for a new thread on this.

It looks like it will be held on June 8th providing Parliament votes for it on Wednesday, which seems to be almost certain and can't personally see it being anything other than an increased majority for the Tory party.

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Capt'n Midnight

Jayop wrote: »

Have you any links about the Boundary change? Not heard this.

https://sluggerotoole.com/2016/03/09/the-17-new-constituencies/

[Deleted User]

blanch152 wrote: »

I agree completely with you on that.

It is compounded by the blind and stupid Sinn Fein representatives who put their selfish boycott above the requirement to dilute the Tory/DUP majority as much as possible.

No SDLP represention in Westminster for this forthcoming parliament.....

A Little Pony

Jayop wrote: »

ThisRegard wrote: »

Did you catch this brilliant (pains me to say it) question by Kay Burley?
https://twitter.com/me_stafford/status/873209534885617664

Absolute cracker. She should have pulled him up when he said that none of those would be in the queens speech that it's OK then for the people of NI to have to put up with such bigoted people.

But again the DUP put a manifesto or views out to an electorate, hundreds of thousands of people vote for them. They don't have to put up with anything. The people get the government/parties they deserve. People in NI vote for Sinn Fein and the DUP because they reflect either the personal views or just the view they have on the constitutional question.

Kay Burley couldn't hide her bias either but at least it was open I suppose.

First Up

BorneTobyWilde wrote:

No one wants to leave EU, They just want it reformed

I think you might have missed a bit.

prinzeugen

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

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It'll look like the Berlin Wall in a few years (minus the minefields, hopefully) if the Tories keep going the way they are.
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And the UK will resemble the East side of it if Corbyn ever gets in power.

FTA69

blanch152 wrote: »

Do you have any evidence that there are current "extensive paramilitary links" or are you referring to some historical event?

Either way, do you agree that any party with extensive paramilitary links in say living memory (40 years) is unsuitable for government?

http://www.irishnews.com/news/2016/10/29/news/arlene-foster-has-no-regrets-over-being-pictured-with-a-uda-commander-760193/

Here's our good mate Arlene pictured smiling away happily with Dee Sitt, a senior member of the proscribed UDA and employee of a Loyalist community group she has sought funding for. The UDA also endorsed the DUP in these elections, although the DUP are now busy saying they don't condone that. Came out of nowhere. So it did.

Likewise the DUP and its leaders have had associations with the UVF, Third Force and also Ulster Resistance which actually imported weapons into Ireland from apartheid South Africa.

Even if you don't feel like discussing the glaring hypocrisy about the Tories jumping into bed with people close to death squads we could just concentrate on the fact they're a troglodyte shower of nasty reactionary bigots?

Hotblack Desiato

prinzeugen wrote: »

And the UK will resemble the East side of it if Corbyn ever gets in power.

The Tories are bringing about a hard Brexit which will do more economic damage than Corbyn ever could.

I'm old enough to remember Michael Foot and the '83 manifesto and Corbyn's was nothing like that.

devnull

Jayop wrote: »

Absolute cracker. She should have pulled him up when he said that none of those would be in the queens speech that it's OK then for the people of NI to have to put up with such bigoted people.

I'm nowhere near Burley's biggest fan either.

However one thing I always have to say about her, is that no interviewee will ever get the better of her, she will ask many questions that others simply won't touch and isn't frightened of a confrontation or to take people on when they are spouting bull**** or avoiding the question.

You can see from the other guy laughing in that video, that he knows Burley has just asked the Tory a corker but if you go on with Burley you should expect that, she'll cut right to the chase and takes no prisoners.

Rjd2

What a truly disgusting women Theresa May is.

https://twitter.com/montie/status/873285673683496965

A Little Pony

FTA69 wrote: »

blanch152 wrote: »

Do you have any evidence that there are current "extensive paramilitary links" or are you referring to some historical event?

Either way, do you agree that any party with extensive paramilitary links in say living memory (40 years) is unsuitable for government?

http://www.irishnews.com/news/2016/10/29/news/arlene-foster-has-no-regrets-over-being-pictured-with-a-uda-commander-760193/

Here's our good mate Arlene pictured smiling away happily with Dee Sitt, a senior member of the proscribed UDA and employee of a Loyalist community group she has sought funding for. The UDA also endorsed the DUP in these elections, although the DUP are now busy saying they don't condone that. Came out of nowhere. So it did.

Likewise the DUP and its leaders have had associations with the UVF, Third Force and also Ulster Resistance which actually imported weapons into Ireland from apartheid South Africa.

Even if you don't feel like discussing the glaring hypocrisy about the Tories jumping into bed with people close to death squads we could just concentrate on the fact they're a troglodyte shower of nasty reactionary bigots?

So if Sinn Fein were in a position that the only way to get a government arranged for now was to go into coalition or supply and demand arrangement with FG you would be opposed to it?

Hotblack Desiato

I don't think any sitting DUP MPs ever collected a police officer's killers from prison. It's more than a bit much to go on about alleged paramilitary links with the biggest party in NI when the second biggest is an offshoot of a paramilitary organisation. A pox on both their houses. It's a shame NI politics has gone the way it has, things seem to be getting closer to some sort of endgame there but it'll get very ugly before it does.

devnull

It suggests what Adam Boulton was saying earlier is correct in relation to May essentially not being in a position where she can make decisions in her own party and the backbenchers are running the show because of her lack of mandate and weak standing in both government and her own party.

She is trying to hang on but at the moment I can't see it lasting long, she has no authority in her party as backed up by the cancelled reshuffle and the fact she's being forced to dance to the tune of back benchers who most likely will pull the trigger on her if they don't get what they want.

Whilst May is the leader of the party in official capacity, it appears that she is powerless to make any decision and essentially is being told by her colleagues to do as they say or go.

prinzeugen

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

The Tories are bringing about a hard Brexit which will do more economic damage than Corbyn ever could.

I'm old enough to remember Michael Foot and the '83 manifesto and Corbyn's was nothing like that.

As am I but most of the younger voters that went and voted for Corbyn have no idea what a little socialist utopia would really be like.

Rjd2

devnull wrote: »

It suggests what Adam Boulton was saying earlier is correct in relation to May essentially not being in a position where she can make decisions in her own party and the backbenchers are running the show because of her lack of mandate and weak standing in both government and her own party.

She is trying to hang on but at the moment I can't see it lasting long, she has no authority in her party as backed up by the cancelled reshuffle and the fact she's being forced to dance to the tune of back benchers who most likely will pull the trigger on her if they don't get what they want.

Looking at the right wing press they are fuming with her, they want her head. She will need to be very tough to stand up to this, Johnson and Give supposedly plotting to replace her. Top of the iceberg.

Hotblack Desiato

prinzeugen wrote: »

As am I but most of the younger voters that went and voted for Corbyn have no idea what a little socialist utopia would really be like.

Nationalising BR and the Royal Mail is hardly Cuba or North Korea.

whatawaster81

At the stage where you need the DUP any right thinking person can tell you, this won't last long.

FTA69

A Little Pony wrote: »

So if Sinn Fein were in a position that the only way to get a government arranged for now was to go into coalition or supply and demand arrangement with FG you would be opposed to it?

100% I would. Look what happened to Irish Labour when they did that very thing. Part of the reason SF have been so successful is because they've refused to prop up rightwing austerity parties.

FrancieBrady

A Little Pony wrote: »

So if Sinn Fein were in a position that the only way to get a government arranged for now was to go into coalition or supply and demand arrangement with FG you would be opposed to it?

SF don't pretend they didn't play a part in the conflict. That is the difference here. They have members who were in the IRA.
They are also not religious fundamentalists depriving large amounts of people of the rights they have everywhere else in these islands.

Different animals and the British are finding that out, big time. Arlene shoots herself and her party in the foot again.

I hope Ruth Davidson exposes them for everything they are.

devnull

It's ridiculous that she tries to carry on, she has no authority within her own party let alone in a government and with the EU, she just looks like she is deluded and is hanging onto power at all costs.

She's essentially operating with a cabinet she wanted to kick her Chancellor out of, and make other senior leadership changes, but had to call it off because she cannot afford to annoy a single member of her team as they could well end up being a ring leader of a coup attempt.

In the National interest of the UK she should resign and put the country before her own pathetic grip to hold onto power and not let go of it. The public don't want her, her own party don't want her, even the Daily Mail is turning on her from what I have just seen.

It is laughable that she is leading a party and making decisions she doesn't even think are good for the country or her own party, but does so to hang onto her job for as long as possible. It's essentially willful dereliction of duty.

prinzeugen

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Nationalising BR and the Royal Mail is hardly Cuba or North Korea.

As I have said elsewhere on boards, renationalisation of BR will cost billions and Billions unless they are planning some sort of 1917 Russia style seizure of assets.

Where is the money going to come from?

Professor Moriarty

prinzeugen wrote: »

As I have said elsewhere on boards, renationalisation of BR will cost billions and Billions unless they are planning some sort of 1917 Russia style seizure of assets.

Where is the money going to come from?

From very rich people who don't need it.

Sam Russell

prinzeugen wrote: »

As I have said elsewhere on boards, renationalisation of BR will cost billions and Billions unless they are planning some sort of 1917 Russia style seizure of assets.

Where is the money going to come from?

The railways are already in national ownership. The rolling stock is not.

ancapailldorcha

Mod: Less of the funny pics, please.

Annabella1

So many weirdos in the DUP
Would be a disaster for Tories

blanch152

FTA69 wrote: »

http://www.irishnews.com/news/2016/10/29/news/arlene-foster-has-no-regrets-over-being-pictured-with-a-uda-commander-760193/

Here's our good mate Arlene pictured smiling away happily with Dee Sitt, a senior member of the proscribed UDA and employee of a Loyalist community group she has sought funding for. The UDA also endorsed the DUP in these elections, although the DUP are now busy saying they don't condone that. Came out of nowhere. So it did.

Likewise the DUP and its leaders have had associations with the UVF, Third Force and also Ulster Resistance which actually imported weapons into Ireland from apartheid South Africa.

Even if you don't feel like discussing the glaring hypocrisy about the Tories jumping into bed with people close to death squads we could just concentrate on the fact they're a troglodyte shower of nasty reactionary bigots?

Thanks for that, wasn't aware of it.

Helps to confirm me in my opinion that SF and the DUP are cut from the same cloth. Your whole post has shades of the good republican comments from Gerry Adams and the activities of various SF public representatives from Dowdall to Ferris.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Thanks for that, wasn't aware of it.

Helps to confirm me in my opinion that SF and the DUP are cut from the same cloth. Your whole post has shades of the good republican comments from Gerry Adams and the activities of various SF public representatives from Dowdall to Ferris.

SF and the DUP are from the same conflict/war. Which is over.
The difference is that SF do not hide that or climb onto the high moral ground.
They are also not religious fundamentalists attempting to force their beliefs on everyone.

The British have been enthralled all day by the introduction to these people who claim to be the same as them. They aren't, they are unique.

prinzeugen

Sam Russell wrote: »

The railways are already in national ownership. The rolling stock is not.

About 80% of the infrastructure is state owned (Network Rail) and DRS is in effect owned by the state as its a subsidiary of British Nuclear Fuels.

Everything else is privately owned. I think it would be just over £1 billion to buy the stock used south of the Thames for example.

A Dub in Glasgo

prinzeugen wrote: »

About 80% of the infrastructure is state owned (Network Rail) and DRS is in effect owned by the state as its a subsidiary of British Nuclear Fuels.

and as you already know, DRS run no passenger services

LuckyLloyd

devnull wrote: »

It's ridiculous that she tries to carry on, she has no authority within her own party let alone in a government and with the EU, she just looks like she is deluded and is hanging onto power at all costs.

She's essentially operating with a cabinet she wanted to kick her Chancellor out of, and make other senior leadership changes, but had to call it off because she cannot afford to annoy a single member of her team as they could well end up being a ring leader of a coup attempt.

In the National interest of the UK she should resign and put the country before her own pathetic grip to hold onto power and not let go of it. The public don't want her, her own party don't want her, even the Daily Mail is turning on her from what I have just seen.

It is laughable that she is leading a party and making decisions she doesn't even think are good for the country or her own party, but does so to hang onto her job for as long as possible. It's essentially willful dereliction of duty.

You are correct, but she's been in politics for over three decades and has just scaled the mountaintop - if she gives up here (and you have very ably articulated why she should do so) then it's all over. She imagined that her calling this election would herald a minimum of five years of glorious reign, buttressed by a sympathetic and supportive press and a jingoistic national mood. That's all over now, and she's obviously still processing it all.

She'll never be allowed fight another election so we enter an unseemly period where she staggers around mortally wounded before the death of her political career is confirmed. One thing that's worth thinking about is how it may be beneficial for Boris or whoever else is sharpening the knives to allow a few weeks of the restarted negotiations to take place with its accompanying negative messages before they take over. Whoever comes in will have to fight an election in the medium term so it may be no harm to allow May absorb some more of the coming damage before her political corpse is discarded.

prinzeugen

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

and as you already know, DRS run no passenger services

As I have already pointed out to you, they do. They have an open access operation license and run passenger trains for the workers at Sellafield.

The also run, provide all train crew and rolling stock for loco hauled services on ScotRail and Northern.

And anyway.. Corbyn is going for all the companies including freight.

He must still be reeling that his sitting on the floor of a Virgin train was proved to be staged.