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2017 UK General Election - 8th June

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  • #2012
    Subpopulus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Subpopulus


    seamus wrote: »
    Worth noting that the DUP going in as the junior partner / minority partner are pretty much guaranteed to take a hammering at the next elections - council, assembly and general.

    Almost certainly not. DUP and SF have very strong core votes split along cultural/ethnic lines. There's very little cross-over between the two, and there's almost nothing of a floating vote. Voters move from UUP to DUP (and not the other way), and from SDLP to SF (and again not the other way). In prosperous middle-class areas Alliance usually sweep up a few unionist votes as well, but that's about it in terms of voter swings. If DUP voters wanted to punish the party they could really only switch to the UUP, which they won't because that would allow SF to jump them in marginal constituencies, which is why you're seeing votes consolidating more and more towards DUP and SF.


  • #2013
    Thomas__
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Thomas__


    It´s done. May strikes a deal with DUP to form a government.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/09/theresa-may-reaches-deal-with-dup-to-form-government-after-shock-election-result-northern-ireland
    Theresa May has struck a deal with the Democratic Unionists that will allow her to form a government, sources have confirmed.
    The prime minister is expected to see the Queen at about 12.30pm on Friday to confirm that a deal is in place.
    It follows extensive talks with the DUP late into the night. Party figures say they have been driven on by their dismay at the possibility of Jeremy Corbyn becoming prime minister.
    DUP figures insist their relationship with May’s team has been close since she became prime minister 11 months ago.

    The perfect couple on the road to disaster. One might wonder for how long this will last.


  • #2014
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,861 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Maybe if you started listening to what the people are saying again and again and again you might stop being so pointlessly condescending.

    Do you mean the voters in Northern Ireland who have voted to elect a majority of MPs who favour Brexit and continuing the union?


  • #2015
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,008 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Patser wrote: »
    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So it's now in SF power to prevent the DUP wagging the dog in a brexit coalition.

    Serious test of their dedication here imo.

    Sinn Féin have the power to stop this, but earlier in the show Adams said no way.

    They don't


  • #2016
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Thomas__ wrote: »
    The perfect couple on the road to disaster. One might wonder for how long this will last.

    If I hear a single mention about the IRA, from a Tory ever again, after this, they can take a leap off a cliff. They have made a deal with the devil, and deserve ever bad thing that will happen to them because of it.


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  • #2017
    Thomas__
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Thomas__


    wes wrote: »
    Thomas__ wrote: »
    The perfect couple on the road to disaster. One might wonder for how long this will last.

    If I hear a single mention about the IRA, from a Tory ever again, after this, they can take a leap off a cliff. They have made a deal with the devil, and deserve ever bad thing that will happen to them because of it.

    Anticipating the downfall of PM Mrs May Part II coming up soon.


  • #2018
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,753 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    I believe you're a racist bigot now Father..


  • #2019
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Thomas__ wrote: »
    Anticipating the downfall of PM Mrs May Part II coming up soon.
    I'd say many Conservatives will be very uncomfortable with this.


  • #2020
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,753 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Does this agreement not need parliamentary approval?


  • #2021
    WinnyThePoo
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    Jayop wrote: »
    That's what I said. There's a few people from other places and parties anti UI but the majority of them are fg.

    Leo's only interest in the north has been to use anything happening their or historical things to try to gain fg seats in the South. He's a partitionist and would happily throw the north into turmoil for selfish gains in the South.

    Selfish gains for the south?

    That sound great. I'm from the south. He should be concentrating on south's affairs.


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  • #2022
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Does this agreement not need parliamentary approval?
    She needs a majority to vote for her as PM. Which she has with the Tories and DUP.


  • #2023
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,670 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Do you mean the voters in Northern Ireland who have voted to elect a majority of MPs who favour Brexit and continuing the union?

    The SDLP aren't coming back for the forseeable future, they are in tatters.

    You need to get over that.

    The north is doing what I predicted long ago, it is ridding itself of parties that no longer matter.


  • #2024
    CMOTDibbler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Does this agreement not need parliamentary approval?
    In the sense that they have to vote on who is to be PM I suppose. Much like ourselves really.

    Presumably there'll be a full Tory vote for May and the DUP will follow suit. The cat would be well among the pigeons if some Tory MPs decided to vote gainst her or abstain.


  • #2025
    [Deleted User]
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    A big thank you to Sinn Fein for not even trying to block that.

    A 16-seat majority is fairly safe, nearly the same as before the election, a 9-seat majority is precarious, a few ill or missing MPs or a small number of defections and the government is gone. SF could do a job for Ireland and they are point blank refusing to step up to the plate.

    Er, they can't block it no matter what. Shows you how blindly (and stupidly) loyal unionists are to the union. They are going to cut off their nose to spite their face to ensure NI has no 'special status' re Brexit. 'The economic impact on the NI people? Who cares. We'll jump off a cliff if need be to protect the sacred union. We are unionists.' More like kamikaze merchants.....


  • #2026
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,753 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    She needs a majority to vote for her as PM. Which she has with the Tories and DUP.

    Well has she sounded out the parliamentary party on a deal with the DUP? I doubt it given her rush to conclude that a deal has been done.

    Only takes a small few to jump ship. Not wanting to be in bed with the DUP is hardly something that could be considered a radical position..

    Surely there are some moderate Tories not happy right now..


  • #2027
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    devnull wrote: »
    Theresa May will come on TV later on and she will say that she has acted quickly to restore stability.

    She will be very clear.


  • #2028
    Jayop
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    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    Selfish gains for the south?

    That sound great. I'm from the south. He should be concentrating on south's affairs.

    Selfish gains "in" the south. Perhaps learn to comprehend the difference between what is written and what you see and it'll help things nicely. A massive difference between gains for the South and gains for fg in the South.

    And besides, fuk the hundreds of thousands of your fellow citizens, right? Typical.


  • #2029
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,861 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Deleted User wrote: »
    . Shows you how blindly (and stupidly) loyal unionists are to the union. They are going to cut off their nose to spite their face to ensure NI has no 'special status' re Brexit. 'The economic impact on the NI people? Who cares. We'll jump off a cliff if need be to protect the sacred union. We are unionists.' More like kamikaze merchants.....

    I agree completely with you on that.

    It is compounded by the blind and stupid Sinn Fein representatives who put their selfish boycott above the requirement to dilute the Tory/DUP majority as much as possible.


  • #2030
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,753 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    Selfish gains for the south?

    That sound great. I'm from the south. He should be concentrating on south's affairs.

    I hope you're in the minority down here with that opinion


  • #2031
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Er, they can't block it no matter what. Shows you how blindly (and stupidly) loyal unionists are to the union. They are going to cut off their nose to spite their face to ensure NI has no 'special status' re Brexit. 'The economic impact on the NI people? Who cares. We'll jump off a cliff if need be to protect the sacred union. We are unionists.' More like kamikaze merchants.....
    This is already the script. SF could have blocked it even though they patently couldn't have. It's been said here over and over and in half an hour listening to news talk I heard it twice.

    Party Central got that message out quick.


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  • #2032
    red ears
    Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭red ears


    The reaction on Twitter to the DUP as potential partners is very negative. All talk of homophobic, climate change deniers, creationists, bible bashers etc.


  • #2033
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,861 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    red ears wrote: »
    The reaction on Twitter to the DUP as potential partners is very negative. All talk of homophobic, climate change deniers, creationists, bible bashers etc.

    Thing is DUP won't push any of those issues in a coalition government.

    Two policies alone - no special status for Northern Ireland post-Brexit and no concessions to SF on the Assembly issue.

    They will happily ignore everything else.


  • #2034
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,670 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    wes wrote: »
    If I hear a single mention about the IRA, from a Tory ever again, after this, they can take a leap off a cliff. They have made a deal with the devil, and deserve ever bad thing that will happen to them because of it.


    Parties interested in selfish motives and maybe kicking indiscretions down the road would be the ones to do a deal in a few short hours.

    I think the fall for them both, when it comes may be spectacular.


  • #2035
    Thomas__
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Thomas__


    CMOTDibbler wrote: »
    Thomas__ wrote: »
    Anticipating the downfall of PM Mrs May Part II coming up soon.
    I'd say many Conservatives will be very uncomfortable with this.

    That´s what I anticipate that there will be (only rhetorically speaking of course) a "night of the long knives" soon to get rid of her. "Up the Revolution" - within the Tory Party. I´d say that she may last for a couple of months as PM and as soon as she will fail to strike a deal with the EU and by chance with such a bad performance in the negotiations as she has shown during this GE campaign, she might not survive this year as PM and will be replaces by some other Brexit Tory. If it´s Johnson they will choose, more nonsense of him is to be expected, if they choose some other even more radical and die-hard Brexit Tory, things will get even worse for the UK cos they will probably Exit the EU with no deal and that will be the situation when - after the UK has formally ceased to be an EU member state - the harsh reality will kick in and hit those pro- and anti-Brexit alike. Like "call me Dave" once so often said, "we are all in this together".

    I have no doubt that the Tories are on straight course towards disaster and that means still "no deal is better than a bad deal", whether Mrs May holds out as PM for the whole negotiations period or not, it´s not just her, it´s her whole damn Tory Party with all the old Thatcherist die-hards who just follow the tunnel view they have chosen for themselves with a bit vintage nostalgia to lighten up the tunnel.
    With a turnout of 68.7% there is still more than a quater of the electorate who apparently don´t care at all. Pity, the others might have changed this GE.


  • #2036
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,060 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Very good idea by May to rush with this.

    Letting a vacuum exist for a few days will only bring more questions, more likelyhood of her being overthrown.

    It is much harder to depose the PM than simply the party leader.

    In the longer term this makes no sense and won't work, the very reason why she went to the vote was she felt she couldn't count on her own party to back her enough, and now she relies and everyone of them and 10 from another party?


  • #2037
    Thomas__
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Thomas__


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    wes wrote: »
    If I hear a single mention about the IRA, from a Tory ever again, after this, they can take a leap off a cliff. They have made a deal with the devil, and deserve ever bad thing that will happen to them because of it.


    Parties interested in selfish motives and maybe kicking indiscretions down the road would be the ones to do a deal in a few short hours.

    I think the fall for them both, when it comes may be spectacular.

    I hope so, never liked the DUP(p)ers and neither the Tories.


  • #2038
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,060 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Parties interested in selfish motives and maybe kicking indiscretions down the road would be the ones to do a deal in a few short hours.

    I think the fall for them both, when it comes may be spectacular.

    Not both. It may impact on the Tories, but not on the DUP. DUP candidates are, by and large, not voted for because of polices but rather because of the party they represent. That doesn't change simply because they backed the government


  • #2039
    Boggy Turf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 427 ✭✭Boggy Turf


    blanch152 wrote: »
    SF may well become the largest party in NI politics, but it would be decades if ever before they would have a chance of becoming the majority party in NI politics. If it were ever to happen, it would be a bad day for this island, a united Ireland can only be achieved through the demise and disappearance of the DUP and SF.
    Completely agree.


  • #2040
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Jayop wrote: »
    Selfish gains "in" the south. Perhaps learn to comprehend the difference between what is written and what you see and it'll help things nicely. A massive difference between gains for the South and gains for fg in the South.

    And besides, fuk the hundreds of thousands of your fellow citizens, right? Typical.

    My point still stands.

    No need for the passive aggressive reply. Trying to talk down to someone generally doesn't work on boards.


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  • #2041
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    lawred2 wrote: »
    I hope you're in the minority down here with that opinion

    That the Taoiseach should be looking after the south first?

    Of course. It's perfectly logical.


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