2017 UK General Election - 8th June

Thomas__ · 09-06-2017 10:11AM

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Who knows, the world has gone stark raving bonkers at the moment.

If May and Sturgeon go in to a coalition (I know Sturgeon isn't in Westminster, but you get my drift), then I guess anything is possible.

It may be political suicide for them both, but it looks like they are both on borrowed time any way.

Sturgeon would demand Indyref2 and/or full membership of the single market though and that's if she overcomes her dislike of the Tories.

I think that you seem to overestimate the influence of a Junior parter in a coalition which the SNP would be in such a scenario. Just remember the LibDems and how they suffer from their coalition with Cameron to this day. Cameron might have made some concessions to the LibDems in order to form his govt, but in the end, the Tories prevailed and the LibDems got the blame. No, too risky for the SNP to go that path and such a political marriage wouldn´t last Long at all, not with die-hard and former "Tory-Switch-Kipper-Switch-Tory" MPs. Sturgeon would lose more than she could ever win by this.

The Scots might rather watch the Tories forming a coalition govt with the other DUP dinosaurs and watch them fail. From that failure they can pick up the things which might bring voters back to them, the very ones who deflected to the Tories or Labour this time.

Just one seat to go and that might go to the Tories as well which would give them a total of 319 seats (as of yet it is 318). Together with the DUP they´d have 329, a tiny majority by a coalition govt.

FrancieBrady · 09-06-2017 10:15AM

blanch152 wrote: »

SF are at a crossroads. They are not in government in Belfast or Dublin, they are not even in parliament in London. They have had opportunities in the last year to achieve progress in all three places - talk about a coalition in Dublin, join the Assembly while letting the inquiry take its course in Belfast and block a hard Brexit in London - yet they have sat on their hands. That is the message Micheal Martin was putting out there this morning and it does raise the question as to what is the point of voting for SF when they don't achieve anything for you, even when it is possible for them to make a difference.

:D:D I think parties are at 'crossroads' when their vote falls. When their votes massively increase to give them extra seats they are firmly on the motorway.

Michael Martin patronising the Northern electorate again. What is the point of voting FF if they keep FG in power?

Fratton Fred · 09-06-2017 10:17AM

blanch152 wrote: »

SF will now be desperate for an Assembly deal. As Micheal Martin put it on radio this morning, SF stood around and let FG form a government, they brought the Assembly down and now they are standing around letting the Conservatives and DUP get on with a hard Brexit. Makes you wonder why anyone would bother voting for them as they will just sit on their hands. Quite ironic to hear Gerry calling on others to create a triangle on Brexit between London, Belfast and Dublin, when SF are doing nothing.

If SF want to deliver for Northern Ireland, they could take their seats in Westminister and ensure there is no hard Brexit.

they didn't register to campaign against Brexit either https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/02/01/sinn-fein-failed-to-register-for-the-brexit-referendum-ie-it-took-no-part-in-preventing-brexit/

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Sturgeon would demand Indyref2 and/or full membership of the single market though and that's if she overcomes her dislike of the Tories.

there seems to be a genuine lack of interest in it in Scotland and Sturgeon pushing it this time around seems to have hurt her, so she may not.

Having a hand in Scotland's future at the EU negotiating table might do her some favours.

Who knows, maybe I am just desperately looking for some way to avoid the DUP getting any sort of influence.

Thomas__ · 09-06-2017 10:19AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

blanch152 wrote: »

SF are at a crossroads. They are not in government in Belfast or Dublin, they are not even in parliament in London. They have had opportunities in the last year to achieve progress in all three places - talk about a coalition in Dublin, join the Assembly while letting the inquiry take its course in Belfast and block a hard Brexit in London - yet they have sat on their hands. That is the message Micheal Martin was putting out there this morning and it does raise the question as to what is the point of voting for SF when they don't achieve anything for you, even when it is possible for them to make a difference.

:D:D I think parties are at 'crossroads' when their vote falls. When their votes massively increase to give them extra seats they are firmly on the motorway.

Michael Martin patronising the Northern electorate again. What is the point of voting FF if they keep FG in power?

You hit the nail on the head by that one. Very good statement sums it up really as this is the way it uses to be. I don´t think that there are much people who would envy Mrs May these days and for the days that lies ahead for her.

lawred2 · 09-06-2017 10:22AM

NIMAN wrote: »

A Tory/DUP government. Help us all.

Fairly sure there will be a few moderate Tories rather disturbed at that prospect as well..

NIMAN · 09-06-2017 10:25AM

No Irish nationalist voice in Westminster.

That's worrying at a time when borders are being discussed.

DUP have gained the upper hand in the north. They have actual power now.

Cazale · 09-06-2017 10:27AM

A deal has been done already between the DUP and May.

The DUPs price for propping up a new Conservative government will include a promise that there would be no post-Brexit special status for Northern Ireland, the partys leader in Westminster has confirmed.

Right2Write · 09-06-2017 10:27AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I suspect that part of the deal with the DUP will be 'swallow some grass and get the institutions up and running again'.

Would be ridiculous for the tories to be shored up by a party who wont allow democracy to happen at home.

Can't see the Tories being in any position to tell the DUP what to do!! At best, the DUP will get a bigger block grant for NI and then be in a position to crow about it and grind SF's nose in the dirt.

blanch152 wrote: »

SF will now be desperate for an Assembly deal. As Micheal Martin put it on radio this morning, SF stood around and let FG form a government, they brought the Assembly down and now they are standing around letting the Conservatives and DUP get on with a hard Brexit. Makes you wonder why anyone would bother voting for them as they will just sit on their hands. Quite ironic to hear Gerry calling on others to create a triangle on Brexit between London, Belfast and Dublin, when SF are doing nothing.

SF have backed themselves into a corner alright and the DUP are going to box them in. Going to need to have a major rethink.

09-06-2017 10:29AM

sink wrote: »

A large amount of their support comes from farmers, who are dead against any customs barriers on the border.

They're an irrational bunch, anti-EU, but still know which side their bread is buttered.

They don't have to answer to anyone when it comes to supporting the customs union, the Tories can't leverage them any other way.

The DUP were dead against a special status for Northern Ireland fearing that would lead to greater North-South integration and a drifting apart from the mainland. The only way that would come about is through a Labour coalition with SDLP, which is effectively dead in the water. They don't have to worry about it and so can make any demands they like without worrying about the nationalist opposition getting a look in.

Are they also against subsidies? I saw interviews with farmers and they were split about the border, a good half said along the lines "sure if it's a hard border so be it". They're the masters of cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Mancomb Seepgood · 09-06-2017 10:29AM

Hard to believe that the Tories and DUP reached a deal so quickly.They deserve each other!

Professor Moriarty · 09-06-2017 10:30AM

Mancomb Seepgood wrote: »

Hard to believe that the Tories and DUP reached a deal so quickly.They deserve each other!

No doubt discussions took place as soon as polls began to show the possibility of a hung parliament.

Lux23 · 09-06-2017 10:31AM

I can't for the life of me understand why the DUP want a hard Brexit or Brexit at all - how many of their core rural supporters rely on EU subsidies?

LeinsterDub · 09-06-2017 10:32AM

How long can this "understanding" survive. Only 2 defections away from a failed vote or a lost by electronic

Right2Write · 09-06-2017 10:32AM

Mancomb Seepgood wrote: »

Hard to believe that the Tories and DUP reached a deal so quickly.They deserve each other!

And a joint administration in NI is dead in the water for the foreseeable future.

wes · 09-06-2017 10:33AM

Coalition will be very weak. Only take a small group of rebels to bring down the government. Wouldn't surprise me, if the UK is back to the polls soon.

Brexit really broke the UK. Well the conservatives did to be more accurately. Foolish gamble last year, and another this year.

The EU can play hardball knowing full well how weak the Tory's are. Wouldn't take much to cause the government to fall.

LeinsterDub · 09-06-2017 10:33AM

Lux23 wrote: »

I can't for the life of me understand why the DUP want a hard Brexit or Brexit at all - how many of their core rural supporters rely on EU subsidies?

The DUP will just draw down more money from their favourite other union

Professor Moriarty · 09-06-2017 10:33AM

Lux23 wrote: »

I can't for the life of me understand why the DUP want a hard Brexit or Brexit at all - how many of their core rural supporters rely on EU subsidies?

The DUP don't want a hard Brexit.

09-06-2017 10:33AM

Any links?

Professor Moriarty · 09-06-2017 10:34AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Any links?

Are you asking me?

Right2Write · 09-06-2017 10:34AM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

The DUP will just draw down more money from their favourite other union

Money for old rope for all the boys and girls

09-06-2017 10:38AM

So it's now in SF power to prevent the DUP wagging the dog in a brexit coalition.

Serious test of their dedication here imo.

FrancieBrady · 09-06-2017 10:40AM

wes wrote: »

Coalition will be very weak. Only take a small group of rebels to bring down the government. Wouldn't surprise me, if the UK is back to the polls soon.

Brexit really broke the UK. Well the conservatives did to be more accurately. Foolish gamble last year, and another this year.

The EU can play hardball knowing full well how weak the Tory's are. Wouldn't take much to cause the government to fall.

This is what will happen now.

Massive instability, a Labour party growing in confidence and a tory party imploding from in fighting and power struggles.

Any minor party is well out of it in my opinion.

Chips Lovell · 09-06-2017 10:41AM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

The DUP will just draw down more money from their favourite other union

Exactly. They don't give a toss if it damages the NI economy because they'll be bailed out by Westminster anyway, especially since they now hold the balance of power.

The only upside for Ireland is that there'll be zero chance of a Border poll for the next while.

devnull · 09-06-2017 10:41AM

Nutall gone as leader of UKIP

Kiith · 09-06-2017 10:42AM

Can SF actually so anything about this? And if so, why wouldn't they? Surely it's in their interest to not see a Tory/DUP coalition?

Professor Moriarty · 09-06-2017 10:42AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

This is what will happen now.

Massive instability, a Labour party growing in confidence and a tory party imploding from in fighting and power struggles.

Any minor party is well out of it in my opinion.

True. Time to stand back and watch them commit hari kari. This is good for Ireland and the EU. Probably good for Britain in the long term too.

wes · 09-06-2017 10:43AM

Will be interesting to see if Theresa May will try and hang on. If she does, I believe it will only cause more chaos. She needs to resign imho, a Therexit is needed

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A coalition with the DUP, will probably hurt the Tory's with more moderate supporters as well. They were happy to hammer Corbyn over stuff he said in regards to the IRA, well now there in bed with one of the other parties of the Northern conflict.

Mr.Micro · 09-06-2017 10:43AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

This is what will happen now.

Massive instability, a Labour party growing in confidence and a tory party imploding from in fighting and power struggles.

Any minor party is well out of it in my opinion.

That won't stop any of the small parties.....the lure of power may be too much. They ditch all principles for it...lol.

devnull · 09-06-2017 10:43AM

Theresa May has decided for an unstable link-up with the DUP to keep in power it seems.

After all her talk about stability

The woman cannot be trusted, she is a compulsive liar who has a track record of misleading the public for her own agenda.

devnull · 09-06-2017 10:44AM

May to visit Queen at 12.30pm to appoint government.

Deal with DUP agreed it's believed

2017 UK General Election - 8th June

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