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2017 UK General Election - 8th June

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  • #1982
    Jamiekelly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭Jamiekelly


    The youth vote is up a solid 25% in most areas and it even doubled in others. That makes the total youth vote climb up to 70%. This has essentially dampened down the prospect of another election for the Conservatives as they know their traditional media backers have virtually no say over that new voting block (due to social media being far more persuasive to them than any opinion piece in the Mail could ever be.)

    The UK now has a very unstable voter base as well as unstable political parties.


  • #1983
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    May once again rushing headlong into a major decision with her characteristic arrogant fecklessness.

    Even a confidence & supply agreement needs a reasonable amount of time to thrash out the major talking points. A phone call with Arlene before running to Buckingham Palace just goes to show what an utter fool May is.

    What she thinks she will gain by going today rather than taking a weekend of talks with the DUP to properly work out the next steps are, I don't know.

    Is she rushing the timeline so she can focus on Brexit talks? Perhaps.

    But building a coalition or a minority government without a stable base to work from means that we could see another UK General Election inside of 18 months. Which would be a far greater disaster for Brexit talks than taking the couple of extra days now to form a solid partnership.

    I thought May couldn't make worse decisions than calling the General Election in the first place, but somehow she has managed to surpass even her own incompetence.


  • #1984
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Well the point needs to come at some stage where they need to mature and no longer be the hurlers in the ditch. What's their point in getting seats in the republic or Westminster (I know the history) if they will never partake in government? They'll be a long time waiting for a majority anywhere.

    Whatever about the South, how are they going to 'get into government' if you are talking about Westminster? The SDLP have taken their seats at Westminster for years and where has it got them? It's got them to this election and interestingly enough they have woken up this morning with no Westminster seats at all. A brilliant strategy? Honestly?


  • #1985
    ThisRegard
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    Do you miss the bit in brackets where I said I know the history? But they'll need to re-evaluate at some point.


  • #1986
    First Up
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    seamus wrote: »

    What she thinks she will gain by going today rather than taking a weekend of talks with the DUP to properly work out the next steps are, I don't know.

    Its because she fears she wouldn't survive the weekend as party leader if she doesn't.


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  • #1987
    Jayop
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Might be the way you phrased it, are you saying the only people not wanting a 32 county country at the moment are hardcore FG supporters?

    I would say the only people that would be definable as a clear grouping against the ideology of a united Ireland are hardcore fg supporters. Of course there will be others like some Labour support and others, but fg are the staunchest especially with their new leader who only sees the north as something to electioneer on in the South.


  • #1988
    Patser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,530 ✭✭✭Patser


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So it's now in SF power to prevent the DUP wagging the dog in a brexit coalition.

    Serious test of their dedication here imo.

    A commentator there on Ivan Yates (filling in for Pat Kenny) pointed out that with DUP holding balance of power, and an executive still to be formed in NI, at any time things get tough they can call on Teresa to back them or collapse the Govt.

    Sinn Féin have the power to stop this, but earlier in the show Adams said no way.


  • #1989
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    seamus wrote: »
    May once again rushing headlong into a major decision with her characteristic arrogant fecklessness.

    Even a confidence & supply agreement needs a reasonable amount of time to thrash out the major talking points. A phone call with Arlene before running to Buckingham Palace just goes to show what an utter fool May is.

    What she thinks she will gain by going today rather than taking a weekend of talks with the DUP to properly work out the next steps are, I don't know.

    Is she rushing the timeline so she can focus on Brexit talks? Perhaps.

    But building a coalition or a minority government without a stable base to work from means that we could see another UK General Election inside of 18 months. Which would be a far greater disaster for Brexit talks than taking the couple of extra days now to form a solid partnership.

    I thought May couldn't make worse decisions than calling the General Election in the first place, but somehow she has managed to surpass even her own incompetence.
    Power, power, power.


  • #1990
    Jayop
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    FF wouldn't win a seat for a long time, all they could hope to achieve would be to undermine SF's vote and give the DUP a bigger majority. I can't see people down here looking favorably upon that.

    Rubbish. If they joined with the Sdlp they'd instantly have seats in the assembly and local elections. That's the first step.


  • #1991
    devnull
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    Going to make a prediction after looking into my crystal ball.

    Theresa May will come on TV later on and she will say that she has acted quickly to restore stability.


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  • #1992
    Jayop
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    Patser wrote: »
    A commentator there on Ivan Yates (filling in for Pat Kenny) pointed out that with DUP holding balance of power, and an executive still to be formed in NI, at any time things get tough they can call on Teresa to back them or collapse the Govt.

    Sinn Féin have the power to stop this, but earlier in the show Adams said no way.

    No they don't. The DUP Tory coalition will have over 326 seats so it doesn't matter what SF do.

    But hey let's say whatever baseless rubbish we want.


  • #1993
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Do you miss the bit in brackets where I said I know the history? But they'll need to re-evaluate at some point.

    I didn't. My main point was how successful has the SDLP been with the strategy of actually taking seats in Westminster.


  • #1994
    ThisRegard
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    Jayop wrote: »
    I would say the only people that would be definable as a clear grouping against the ideology of a united Ireland are hardcore fg supporters. Of course there will be others like some Labour support and others, but fg are the staunchest especially with their new leader who only sees the north as something to electioneer on in the South.

    There's people across the whole of Irish society, with no political affiliation or even interest, that don't want a 32 county Ireland at the moment.

    I wouldn't say all hardcore FG supporters are against it either, a lot have moved on from civil war politics by now.

    I don't understand your last point though?


  • #1995
    [Deleted User]
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    Jayop wrote: »
    Rubbish. If they joined with the Sdlp they'd instantly have seats in the assembly and local elections. That's the first step.
    How would "joining" the SDLP work?


  • #1996
    ThisRegard
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    devnull wrote: »
    Going to make a prediction after looking into my crystal ball.

    Theresa May will come on TV later on and she will say that she has acted quickly to restore stability.

    She's already said this.


  • #1997
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Worth noting that the DUP going in as the junior partner / minority partner are pretty much guaranteed to take a hammering at the next elections - council, assembly and general.

    SF might be looking the other way in the expectation that they'll become the majority party in NI politics in the coming months.


  • #1998
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,753 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    seamus wrote: »
    May once again rushing headlong into a major decision with her characteristic arrogant fecklessness.

    Even a confidence & supply agreement needs a reasonable amount of time to thrash out the major talking points. A phone call with Arlene before running to Buckingham Palace just goes to show what an utter fool May is.

    What she thinks she will gain by going today rather than taking a weekend of talks with the DUP to properly work out the next steps are, I don't know.

    Is she rushing the timeline so she can focus on Brexit talks? Perhaps.

    But building a coalition or a minority government without a stable base to work from means that we could see another UK General Election inside of 18 months. Which would be a far greater disaster for Brexit talks than taking the couple of extra days now to form a solid partnership.

    I thought May couldn't make worse decisions than calling the General Election in the first place, but somehow she has managed to surpass even her own incompetence.

    She certainly has not shown the slightest bit of respect or thought for the parliamentary party or party members by running herself with the DUP.

    How could she possibly know whether she has broad support for such an arrangement with those troglodytes!?


  • #1999
    Jayop
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    There's people across the whole of Irish society, with no political affiliation or even interest, that don't want a 32 county Ireland at the moment.

    I wouldn't say all hardcore FG supporters are against it either, a lot have moved on from civil war politics by now.

    I don't understand your last point though?

    That's what I said. There's a few people from other places and parties anti UI but the majority of them are fg.

    Leo's only interest in the north has been to use anything happening their or historical things to try to gain fg seats in the South. He's a partitionist and would happily throw the north into turmoil for selfish gains in the South.


  • #2000
    [Deleted User]
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    seamus wrote: »
    Worth noting that the DUP going in as the junior partner / minority partner are pretty much guaranteed to take a hammering at the next elections - council, assembly and general.

    SF might be looking the other way in the expectation that they'll become the majority party in NI politics in the coming months.
    Strongly doubt it. DUP are a single issue (or track) party and will follow that.


  • #2001
    Patser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,530 ✭✭✭Patser


    Jayop wrote: »
    No they don't. The DUP Tory coalition will have over 326 seats so it doesn't matter what SF do.

    But hey let's say whatever baseless rubbish we want.

    Sorry, you're right. It was what Ivan was pressing Adams on, but I missed the exact maths.


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  • #2002
    Right2Write
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    Pearse Doherty on Sean O'Rourke now. Gas to hear him squirming away from the obvious implications and collapse of his parties strategy.


  • #2003
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    How would "joining" the SDLP work?

    It's the logical move. The Sdlp are about to be wiped out but they still have the network and activists in place that could be reinvigorated by a FF takeover. The parties were close to that in the past while the Sdlp were big.


  • #2004
    wes
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    Perfect time for Labour, to bring up the links to terrorism that the DUP had, and not to mention there rather backwards stance on LGBT rights, there racism, bigotry etc. The should endlessly hammer the conservatives on there deal with the devil. The DUP will provide plenty of ammo for that. They should be nothing less than merciless to May. Make it very clear that the state of the country is 100% on May and conservatives. That they bring nothing but chaos and weakness, to turn Mays "strong and stable" phrase against her.

    The EU should take this opportunity to kick the conservatives, while there down. They should be nothing less than merciless as well. May is just a power hungry, and hasn't the decency to step down after her stupid gamble failed. Say what you want about Cameron, he had the decency to fall on his sword, when his gamble failed. May hasn't even that level of decency. She will bring nothing less than ruin to the UK.


  • #2005
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,670 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    wes wrote: »
    Perfect time for Labour, to bring up the links to terrorism that the DUP had, and not to mention there rather backwards stance on LGBT rights, there racism, bigotry etc. The should endlessly hammer the conservatives on there deal with the devil. The DUP will provide plenty of ammo for that. They should be nothing less than merciless to May. Make it very clear that the state of the country is 100% on May and conservatives. That they bring nothing but chaos and weakness, to turn Mays "strong and stable" phrase against her.

    The EU should take this opportunity to kick the conservatives, while there down. They should be nothing less than merciless as well. May is just a power hungry, and hasn't the decency to step down after her stupid gamble failed. Say what you want about Cameron, he had the decency to fall on his sword, when his gamble failed. May hasn't even that level of decency. She will bring nothing less than ruin to the UK.

    Yes, one wonders if the media will be as interested in the DUP links to 'terrorists' as they were so recently about somebody else.

    As somebody said here, 'May in cahoots with the political wing of the UVF'.


  • #2006
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,861 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    seamus wrote: »
    Worth noting that the DUP going in as the junior partner / minority partner are pretty much guaranteed to take a hammering at the next elections - council, assembly and general.

    SF might be looking the other way in the expectation that they'll become the majority party in NI politics in the coming months.

    SF may well become the largest party in NI politics, but it would be decades if ever before they would have a chance of becoming the majority party in NI politics. If it were ever to happen, it would be a bad day for this island, a united Ireland can only be achieved through the demise and disappearance of the DUP and SF.


  • #2007
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Yes, one wonders if the media will be as interested in the DUP links to 'terrorists' as they were so recently about somebody else.

    As somebody said here, 'May in cahoots with the political wing of the UVF'.

    They will probably ignore it. Always astonishing to me, how Unionist terror, backed by several UK governments to boot, is so often ignored, in both the UK and here. Time for that to end.

    The media can ignore it, but social media hopefully won't. People need to know how utterly vile the DUP are, and maybe they can start to understand why Irish people view Unionism so badly, as we see it in it purest form in the DUP.

    So basically, the Tory's in bed with the political wing of the UVF, after hammering Corbyn for talking to Sinn Fein. The rank hypocrisy of it all. May happy to work with terrorists, when it suits her it seems.


  • #2008
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,670 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    SF may well become the largest party in NI politics, but it would be decades if ever before they would have a chance of becoming the majority party in NI politics. If it were ever to happen, it would be a bad day for this island, a united Ireland can only be achieved through the demise and disappearance of the DUP and SF.

    Maybe if you started listening to what the people are saying again and again and again you might stop being so pointlessly condescending.


  • #2009
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,991 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    seamus wrote: »
    Worth noting that the DUP going in as the junior partner / minority partner are pretty much guaranteed to take a hammering at the next elections - council, assembly and general.

    SF might be looking the other way in the expectation that they'll become the majority party in NI politics in the coming months.
    Well it certainly follows the pattern of unionism being its own worst enemy. SF are far cleverer (politically) than the blunt instrument DUP.

    The DUP have inherited a poison chalice of their own making. They backed Brexit despite it making absolutely no sense for NI or the integrity of the UK long term. They now have to really support something I don't believe they believe in at all (they only supported Brexit because it seemed more "British" and because the Nat parties didn't).

    Absolute shambles. A hard Brexit might even take the govt down via NI because the DUP represents many protestant farmers and other rural dwellers dependent on agriculture and trade with the RoI and these will suffer most from Brexit.


  • #2010
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,670 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    wes wrote: »
    They will probably ignore it. Always astonishing to me, how Unionist terror, backed by several UK governments to boot, is so often ignored, in both the UK and here. Time for that to end.

    The media can ignore it, but social media hopefully won't. People need to know how utterly vile the DUP are, and maybe they can start to understand why Irish people view Unionism so badly, as we see it in it purest form in the DUP.

    Yeh, seeing people from all political shades and none warning their British friends what they are getting into bed with.


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  • #2011
    blanch152
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    Cazale wrote: »
    A deal has been done already between the DUP and May.

    The DUPs price for propping up a new Conservative government will include a promise that there would be no post-Brexit special status for Northern Ireland, the partys leader in Westminster has confirmed.

    A big thank you to Sinn Fein for not even trying to block that.

    A 16-seat majority is fairly safe, nearly the same as before the election, a 9-seat majority is precarious, a few ill or missing MPs or a small number of defections and the government is gone. SF could do a job for Ireland and they are point blank refusing to step up to the plate.


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