London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

pilly · 08-06-2017 02:53PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Rather than focusing on one group we should, as a nation, be giving the British people the benefit of our collective experience, north and south.
And that is that neither force or military might, subjugation or oppression is going to end this for them.
Again and again from riots to killings to massacres their governments actions abroad have come back to haunt them.

I've no desire to enter into that ****. There's already about 10 ten threads going with the IRA being brought up.

Go spout your RA crap there.

Richard Hillman · 08-06-2017 02:55PM

pilly wrote: »

This has happened before for similar things and it turned out that the ones not observing it didn't have any English so didn't know what was going on.

It could be just as simple as that. People are looking for **** to be offended about now.

Bull crap. Teams are given a brief before games. The AFC is very diverse so they will arrive into loads of different countries with Pre-Match Cultures. Every team gets briefed and they have seen enough matches from Europe to know that when a team is joined at the centre circle it means it is a minutes silence/applause.

FrancieBrady · 08-06-2017 02:55PM

pilly wrote: »

I've no desire to enter into that ****. There's already about 10 ten threads going with the IRA being brought up.

Go spout your RA crap there.

There is no mention of the IRA in my post, unless we as a nation are the IRA?

Calm yourself. :rolleyes:

pilly · 08-06-2017 02:56PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There is no mention of the IRA in my post, unless we as a nation are the IRA?
Calm yourself. :rolleyes:

I'm perfectly calm but we're all aware of your views Francie, I'm not willing to entertain them, that's all.

pilly · 08-06-2017 02:57PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Bull crap. Teams are given a brief before games. The AFC is very diverse so they will arrive into loads of different countries with Pre-Match Cultures. Every team gets briefed and they have seen enough matches from Europe to know that when a team is joined at the centre circle it means it is a minutes silence/applause.

That's your view on it, I have mine. Neither is bull crap.

FrancieBrady · 08-06-2017 03:00PM

pilly wrote: »

I'm perfectly calm but we're all aware of your views Francie, I'm not willing to entertain them, that's all.

Devastated I am.

If you interpret that post as being about the IRA then you have a few comprehension issues. Maybe you should entertain the idea that discussion forums are not for you?

ligerdub · 08-06-2017 03:11PM

pilly wrote: »

This has happened before for similar things and it turned out that the ones not observing it didn't have any English so didn't know what was going on.

It could be just as simple as that. People are looking for **** to be offended about now.

To be fair if they don't understand what's going on there they shouldn't be out on the pitch in the first place.

RustyNut · 08-06-2017 03:35PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Ahead of Thursday's World Cup Qualifier between Australia and Saudi Arabia, a minute's silence was held in honour of the victims of last weekend's tragic terror attack in London.
But while the Australia starting XI linked arms at the centre circle to mark the moment of reflection, several members of the Saudi Arabia side seemed to just continue warming up and take up their starting positions on the pitch.

The Telegraph reports that Saudi Arabia's substitutes also failed to stand up after the Adelaide Oval announcer requested that everyone in attendance mark the minute's silence.

Supporters reportedly didn't take kindly to the move from the Saudi players as they booed the lack of respect.

Australia ended up winning the game, 3-2, with Tom Rogic scoring a winner after an hour of action.

https://www.joe.ie/sport/saudi-arabia-fail-line-minutes-silence-held-respect-victims-london-terror-attack-590990?utm_content=buffer7d0ec&utm_medium=Social+organic&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer

It's hardly surprising considering that isis and saudi are fellow travellers

Strong Life in Dublin · 08-06-2017 03:39PM

pilly wrote: »

This has happened before for similar things and it turned out that the ones not observing it didn't have any English so didn't know what was going on.

Don't be so native, the players are told before the game that there will be a minute silence

Richard Hillman · 08-06-2017 03:41PM

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/08/saudi-arabia-footballers-ignore-minutes-silence-for-london-attack-victims?CMP=twt_gu

"Adam Peacock, a presenter with Fox Sports Australia, said on Twitter the Asian Football Confederation has approved the minute’s silence against the wishes of travelling Saudi officials. He said the Football Federation of Australia “tried to reason” with the Saudis but were unable to persuade them to participate in the tribute."

As some are saying "Whatabout X terror attacks too", the silence was not just for the London attack but for the 2 Australians that were murdered.

This is 100% ****baggery.

Help!!!! · 08-06-2017 03:48PM

Rekop dog wrote: »

It's more relevant to Aus as a member of the Commonwealth. I mean they probably should have observed it too but if they were to have a minutes silence for every similar scale civilian deaths in the middle east they'd never get the game started.

It doesn't matter what the minutes silence was for it is customary to observe it. FIFA kick racism out of football etc. Hopefully FIFA hit them with some sanctions

weldoninhio · 08-06-2017 03:48PM

Rekop dog wrote: »

It's more relevant to Aus as a member of the Commonwealth. I mean they probably should have observed it too but if they were to have a minutes silence for every similar scale civilian deaths in the middle east they'd never get the game started.

Yeah the gall of the Australians for having a minutes silence for its 2 citizens butchered the other night.

Help!!!! · 08-06-2017 03:56PM

pilly wrote: »

That's your view on it, I have mine. Neither is bull crap.

Yours is bull because they were told before hand what was going to happen & they wouldn't do it, but of course they're not in the wrong

4068ac1elhodqr · 08-06-2017 04:01PM

Looks like the world's most read online newspaper has ran with the football story anyway as their headline news

homerjay2005 · 08-06-2017 04:04PM

if there is no other context to that and they simply refused, that is disgusting behaviour.

Really Interested · 08-06-2017 04:08PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

if there is no other context to that and they simply refused, that is disgusting behaviour.

Even the context we don't normally do it is not good enough. They are guests in Australia, when a guest you give respect.

dundalkfc10 · 08-06-2017 04:10PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

It doesn't matter what the minutes silence was for it is customary to observe it. FIFA kick racism out of football etc. Hopefully FIFA hit them with some sanctions

Fifa (FA, UEFA etc) have given harsher sentences for minor offences than they have for racism!

I don't understand the amount of people getting angry. What difference is a minutes silence going to do!

Fifa say Politics, Religious views etc are not welcome in football (when it suits them)

Help!!!! · 08-06-2017 04:14PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Fifa (FA, UEFA etc) have given harsher sentences for minor offences than they have for racism!

I don't understand the amount of people getting angry. What difference is a minutes silence going to do!

Fifa say Politics, Religious views etc are not welcome in football (when it suits them)

It shows respect & maybe it would be good for Muslims after all the bad press they've been getting. This just shows them again in a bad light

Richard Hillman · 08-06-2017 04:17PM

Really Interested wrote: »

Even the context we don't normally do it is not good enough. They are guests in Australia, when a guest you give respect.

I still chuckle about when Ireland went to Iran and they had the prayer before the match. The Poor Irish players didnt have a clue what was going on :pac:

I dont think the players knew about it but importantly, they stood there and respected it (with frightened looks on their face). Not stroll around doing their warm-ups because "We dont do that in our country"

08-06-2017 04:17PM

Really Interested wrote: »

Even the context we don't normally do it is not good enough. They are guests in Australia, when a guest you give respect.

That pretty much nails it. When you are a guest anywhere, you should do as the locals do. Same for us if we visit Saudi Arabia.

Help!!!! · 08-06-2017 04:19PM

Omackeral wrote: »

That pretty much nails it. When you are a guest anywhere, you should do as the locals do. Same for us if we visit Saudi Arabia.

Unfortunately it only goes one way when Islam is involved

homerjay2005 · 08-06-2017 04:22PM

Really Interested wrote: »

Even the context we don't normally do it is not good enough. They are guests in Australia, when a guest you give respect.

well unfortunately respect is something that appears to be missing in certain sections of our society.

osarusan · 08-06-2017 04:26PM

"Australian soccer chiefs on Thursday night sought to defuse growing outrage over what UK media has characterised as a Saudi Arabian snub for the memories of the eight victims of last weekend's London terrorist attack.
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The FFA said that the Saudis had agreed to observe a minute's silence to commemorate the dead - but in their own cultural fashion.
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They observed the silence, but did not do so in the manner traditionally associated with such memorials - a fact that has been seized on by British newspapers angry at what they see as a lack of respect for those who lost their lives in London and, two weeks earlier, in Manchester.
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"The FFA sought agreement from the Asian Football Confederation and the Saudi national team to hold a minute's silence in memory of those lost in Saturday night's terror bombings in London and in particular the two Australian women," a spokesman said.

"Both the AFC and the Saudi team agreed that the minute of silence could be held.

The FFA was further advised by Saudi team officials that this tradition was not in keeping with Saudi culture and they would move to their side of the field and respect our custom whilst taking their own positions on the field.

"The local broadcaster, Fox Sports, was informed of this prior to the minute's silence taking place."

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/socceroos-vs-saudi-arabia-minute-of-silence-before-world-cup-qualifier-not-in-keeping-with-saudi-culture-20170608-gwnphs.html

EDIT: I'd like to see the full footage of the incident. The stuff in the Daily Mail (for example) is actually what was going on before the minute's silence actually started.

This is the best footage I've seen so far - the Saudis in view seem to be standing still in their own half, but you can't see them all, and still, it ends before the minute's silence starts.

This one shows the minute's silence (or some of it), but doesn't show the Saudi players at all..and the sound is messed up.

2nd edit: Guardian seems to have the full footage here. They report that apart from 1, the Saudi players kept warming up, but you can't see them doing that or anything else on the footage - just shots of the crowd and Australian players. Guardian also gives examples of how Saudis (or Saudi club teams) have lined up for minute's silence in the past.

Help!!!! · 08-06-2017 04:31PM

osarusan wrote: »

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/socceroos-vs-saudi-arabia-minute-of-silence-before-world-cup-qualifier-not-in-keeping-with-saudi-culture-20170608-gwnphs.html

It was not in Saudi custom?, who cares if it is or isn't, they should have lined up for it like every other team/country does.

Help!!!! · 08-06-2017 04:36PM

If you have a bit of time watch this video of Imam Tawhidi especially if your a leftist or liberal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bec7tpBqR-U

WinnyThePoo · 08-06-2017 04:43PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

If you have a bit of time watch this video of Imam Tawhidi especially if your a leftist or liberal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bec7tpBqR-U

Where are the liberals on boards? .

homerjay2005 · 08-06-2017 05:00PM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Where are the liberals on boards? .

you kidding? the place has been crawling with them since terror attacks and treats to would be terrorists !civil liberties" became a talking point.

Help!!!! · 08-06-2017 05:02PM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Where are the liberals on boards? .

Plenty on here calling everyone they dont agree with racist/bigots

Gamebred · 08-06-2017 05:03PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Plenty on here calling everyone they dont agree with racist/bigots

Would love to know when islam became a race.

WinnyThePoo · 08-06-2017 05:06PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

you kidding? the place has been crawling with them since terror attacks and treats to would be terrorists !civil liberties" became a talking point.

Nope.

Anyway. I'm not sure random YouTube videos and shouting liberal in capital locks is the way forward.

London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

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