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Chips Lovell · 07-06-2017 12:12PM

Owryan wrote: »

Look up ira proxy bombs. Suicide bombers, cept the bomber was not a volunteer.

The DUP probably made them do that too.

Owryan · 07-06-2017 12:13PM

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

The DUP probably made them do that too.

You mean tusla/hse

FrancieBrady · 07-06-2017 12:17PM

The tragic thing is that sooner or later they will accept that actions are causing what is happening now.

It is a tragic pity that more people wouldn't call those committing 'actions' some of the things republicans are called.

Nobody is born to kill and main, you are conditioned to do it.

please helpThank YOU · 07-06-2017 12:20PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Lot of absolutely ridiculous comments in this thread. Whether you like it or not, the IRA entirely and permanently stained themselves as unadulterated scumbags when their people decided to take things a step further, from protecting communities against loyalist, RUC and British Army aggression to bombing indiscriminate civilian targets such as pubs and hotels in Mainland Britain. You cannot sugar coat that or beat around the bush - that was 100% wrong, evil and scummy, just like the events of the last several weeks.

Say that to `British forces/government on `Bloody Sunday Massacre in 1972 in which 14 dead Catholics murdered in Ireland by English legal -terrorism. do not forget that BBC news , SKY news.

Fratton Fred · 07-06-2017 12:23PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I know it is tough on you Fred.
But the reason the conflict/war ended is that Britain realised they were wrong and withdrew their support of one side.

Dress it up anyway you want but the existence of an all party international agreement (the British were not willing to let republicans negotiate) negates everything you say.
Once they accepted that republicans of all hues HAD to be at the table, peace emerged.

how tough is it for you that the people you idolise are being compared (with good reason) to the sort of scumbag who walks in to a restaurant and murders innocent people?

Most Irish people denounced their methods and eventually they too realised they were losing support hand over fist. That's why they surrendered.

hatrickpatrick · 07-06-2017 12:28PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The unfortunate and tragic truth is that there would always have been conflict here until certain things were accepted.

What about the current actions of the DUP convinces you they would have given up their British supported sectarian bigoted control voluntarily?

Nothing whatsoever, f*ck those extremist assholes. That still doesn't justify killing random civilians enjoying a pint after work before going home to their families, FFS. If they'd stuck to military and loyalist apparatus as targets (that includes the RUC which were unquestionably a paramilitary force as well as a police force) then I'd agree with your statements, but the minute you deliberately spill the blood of an innocent bystander in order to make a point, you've fundamentally crossed the line from ideological to evil.

hatrickpatrick · 07-06-2017 12:30PM

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Say that to `British forces/government on `Bloody Sunday Massacre in 1972 in which 14 dead Catholics murdered in Ireland by English legal -terrorism. do not forget that BBC news , SKY news.

I agree entirely. The British Army as well as the RUC were as much terrorists as the IRA were - absolutely no question about that, and it's outrageous how so many die-hard anti-Reputlican folk will focus entirely on the IRA and refuse to acknowledge that there were atrocities on both sides.

The point is though, what the IRA did still count as atrocities. Some people seem to want to sweep that under the carpet just like the British media want to sweep their side's atrocities under the carpet, and that's what I'm objecting to.

please helpThank YOU · 07-06-2017 12:31PM

This is `Propaganda by BBC news , & sky news and is putting the safety of Irish people living in England at jeopardy ? . BY putting us in the same context as Muslims, ISIS we have Irish, IRA now.

FrancieBrady · 07-06-2017 12:45PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Nothing whatsoever, f*ck those extremist assholes. That still doesn't justify killing random civilians enjoying a pint after work before going home to their families, FFS. If they'd stuck to military and loyalist apparatus as targets (that includes the RUC which were unquestionably a paramilitary force as well as a police force) then I'd agree with your statements, but the minute you deliberately spill the blood of an innocent bystander in order to make a point, you've fundamentally crossed the line from ideological to evil.

Nobody is 'justifying' killing. Even though Fred in his usual way will try to depict those who try to understand why innocents get killed as 'supporters' or 'idolisers'.

I hated the existence of the IRA but I understand why they existed and why they don't now.
the defenders of a particular realm will obfuscate as best they can, but it is as pitiful as it is pathetic.

Biffo The Bare · 07-06-2017 12:46PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

How come Ireland hasn't been targeted so?

How come Britain who are killing Muslims daily been targeted?

Why haven't Iceland, the Canary Islands, Greenland, Jamaica being targeted too? Because too few people and world media would give a flying damn.

Skylinehead · 07-06-2017 01:09PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

the defenders of a particular realm will obfuscate as best they can, but it is as pitiful as it is pathetic.

That works both ways - can't condemn the IRA around here without someone screaming "what about the Brits" immediately. You can hate what both sides did, you know.

FrancieBrady · 07-06-2017 01:16PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

That works both ways - can't condemn the IRA around here without someone screaming "what about the Brits" immediately. You can hate what both sides did, you know.

Yes you can, but you won't have any solutions unless you blame and put the onus of responsibility on those with the power to change things.

What happened on this island is just that, those with the power took responsibility and created the circumstances where peace could happen.

VinLieger · 07-06-2017 01:25PM

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

This is `Propaganda by BBC news , & sky news and is putting the safety of Irish people living in England at jeopardy ? . BY putting us in the same context as Muslims, ISIS we have Irish, IRA now.

Yep that's exactly what they are doing....... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

please helpThank YOU · 07-06-2017 01:39PM

Now for ever more the English people when thinking of the Irish = IRA . Muslims = ISIS thanks to the BBC news, and Sky news, .

LordSutch · 07-06-2017 01:44PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'm from Ireland which has been in conflict/war with Britain for quite a while.

Hmm, fascinating.

This post alone gives a little glimpse into how deep & warped your Republican mindset is. Are you for real?

How come the rest of us don't know about this war?

Eponymous · 07-06-2017 01:45PM

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Now for ever more the English people when thinking of the Irish = IRA . Muslims = ISIS thanks to the BBC news, and Sky news, .

Did you do a survey or are you generalising about how someone else might generalise.

I have plenty of English friends, colleagues and family. None would think Irish = IRA and that includes my wife's cousin who has served as an officer in the British Army during the Troubles. For what it's worth, other cousins in the same family are Muslims. I doubt he thinks ISIS when he sees them, nor does anyone in the family think it's some sort of terrorism convention when we're all together at a family BBQ!

Seriously, you'd be better off switching the channel to CBeebies and watching In the Night Garden and having a serious chill out.

_Whimsical_ · 07-06-2017 01:55PM

It's bizarre how they're on one hand talking about extremism and the dangers of letting it proliferate and then at the same time they're intent on poking the powder keg of violent sentiment that is the north, all just to smear a politician who has a balanced view of the whole thing. They obviously have no concept that lives still hang in the balance there too and that peace is a painful compromise for everyone involved and not guaranteed to last.

It's frightening to see them bandying it about just to suit a present, completely unrelated agenda.

please helpThank YOU · 07-06-2017 01:58PM

Eponymous wrote: »

Did you do a survey or are you generalising about how someone else might generalise.

I have plenty of English friends, colleagues and family. None would think Irish = IRA and that includes my wife's cousin who has served as an officer in the British Army during the Troubles. For what it's worth, other cousins in the same family are Muslims. I doubt he thinks ISIS when he sees them, nor does anyone in the family think it's some sort of terrorism convention when we're all together at a family BBQ!

Seriously, you'd be better off switching the channel to CBeebies and watching In the Night Garden and having a serious chill out.

say that to people who run the Mosque in Galway?. This is like `Nazi Germany Propaganda unfairly blamed the Jews but this time it is the Irish,Catholics Ira. that is my opinion .

FrancieBrady · 07-06-2017 02:09PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Hmm, fascinating.

This post alone gives a little glimpse into how deep & warped your Republican mindset is. Are you for real?

How come the rest of us don't know about this war?

You do see from how I phrased it that you can call it what ever you pedantically like - 'conflict/war'.

Are you gonna tell us all in an effort to deflect that we had neither on this island?

LordSutch · 07-06-2017 02:23PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You do see from how I phrased it that you can call it what ever you pedantically like - 'conflict/war'.

Are you gonna tell us all in an effort to deflect that we had neither on this island?

The Provisional IRA (a minority within a minority) conducted a terrorist campaign against the Unionist people of NI, they also planted bombs & killed people in Britain, while committing many offences against the Irish State too!

Ireland & Britain are not at war, and thankfully the illegal PIRA has now disbanded.

ISIS are the new threat.

Pac1Man · 07-06-2017 02:49PM

I blame the excessive use of commas, full stops, spaces, capital letters and question marks.

FrancieBrady · 07-06-2017 03:02PM

LordSutch wrote: »

The Provisional IRA (a minority within a minority) conducted a terrorist campaign against the Unionist people of NI, they also planted bombs & killed people in Britain, while committing many offences against the Irish State too!

Ireland & Britain are not at war, and thankfully the illegal PIRA has now disbanded.

ISIS are the new threat.

Ah the Unionist where only victims argument. They had no part at all at all in what happened. Excellent.

Nobody has said Ireland and Britain were at war.

Fratton Fred · 07-06-2017 03:53PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Ah the Unionist where only victims argument. They had no part at all at all in what happened. Excellent.

Nobody has said Ireland and Britain were at war.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'm from Ireland which has been in conflict/war with Britain for quite a while.

FrancieBrady · 07-06-2017 04:06PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Problem Fred?...where did anyone say that Ireland is AT war with Britain.

We have been in conflict/war with Britain.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 07-06-2017 04:13PM

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

I am sick of BBC news, SKY news, all week IRA, IRA,IRA, . There not talking about Irish famine? our the the UDA,unionist terrorists,?

It's a desperate attempt to compare what's happening in GB and Europe now to the IRA bombing campaigns.

They neglect of course to mention that the IRA's campaign was exclusively carried out in the British Isles and they weren't pushing a religious agenda. There was no grand design to spread faith around the globe through force.

captbarnacles · 07-06-2017 04:20PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Problem Fred?...where did anyone say that Ireland is AT war with Britain.

We have been in conflict/war with Britain.

ohnonotgmail · 07-06-2017 04:25PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Problem Fred?...where did anyone say that Ireland is AT war with Britain.

We have been in conflict/war with Britain.

who is we? It certainly doesnt refer to the nation of ireland.

Chester Copperpot · 07-06-2017 04:27PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

It's bizarre how they're on one hand talking about extremism and the dangers of letting it proliferate and then at the same time they're intent on poking the powder keg of violent sentiment that is the north, all just to smear a politician who has a balanced view of the whole thing. They obviously have no concept that lives still hang in the balance there too and that peace is a painful compromise for everyone involved and not guaranteed to last.

It's frightening to see them bandying it about just to suit a present, completely unrelated agenda.

Not to mention the rather dismissive approach to the impact brexit will have on things. The current divisive approach to severing the union with the EU could end in a hard border an reignite the conflict. Potential to be a disaster and doesn't appear to be high on the British agenda

Fratton Fred · 07-06-2017 04:28PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

It's a desperate attempt to compare what's happening in GB and Europe now to the IRA bombing campaigns.

They neglect of course to mention that the IRA's campaign was exclusively carried out in the British Isles and they weren't pushing a religious agenda. There was no grand design to spread faith around the globe through force.

doesn't make much difference to the victims. The Balcombe Street gang indiscriminately attacked pubs and restaurants, so they are an obvious comparison.

VinLieger · 07-06-2017 04:43PM

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Now for ever more the English people when thinking of the Irish = IRA . Muslims = ISIS thanks to the BBC news, and Sky news, .

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

say that to people who run the Mosque in Galway?. This is like `Nazi Germany Propaganda unfairly blamed the Jews but this time it is the Irish,Catholics Ira. that is my opinion .

Neither of these posts make any coherent sense

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