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London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,053 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Bambi985 wrote: »
    What the fcuk has happened in the world that someone thought we should hear about Vogue William's thoughts on ISIS in a national newspaper column? What next, Kerry Katona's take on Qatar?

    Well if other so-called Celebs like Lilly Allen, Katy Perry and JK Rowling can sprout their hug a migrant nonsense then Vogue has every right to let her thoughts be known!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭Really Interested


    Sand wrote: »
    Yep, I think there is an argument for the British adopting a 'Special Criminal Court' model and enabling convictions on the basis of police or domestic intelligence evidence which need not be publicly shared. It is not quite internment, but giving them the ability to pick up and imprison dangerous groups without waiting for them to murder someone first.

    Not ideal of course and open to abuse if not carefully watched over, but democracies don't win wars by being nice.

    The Special Criminal court does follow rules of evidence, allows for a defence by lawyers and is the decision of 3 judges. With of course the right to appeal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭Really Interested


    Well if other so-called Celebs like Lilly Allen, Katy Perry and JK Rowling can sprout their hug a migrant nonsense then Vogue has every right to let her thoughts be known!

    They all allowed their opinion and they all have to put up with people disagreeing with their opinions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭B_Wayne


    Well if other so-called Celebs like Lilly Allen, Katy Perry and JK Rowling can sprout their hug a migrant nonsense then Vogue has every right to let her thoughts be known!

    Yep and it's perfectly fine for her opinion it to be disparaged if her views basically go in opposition to human rights. Let's abandon fair trial and put people in camps is a view that deserves to be criticised.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    The Special Criminal court does follow rules of evidence, allows for a defence by lawyers and is the decision of 3 judges. With of course the right to appeal.

    Of course, but it does also allow for the opinion of the Gardai (based on their own intelligence) to be accepted as evidence. That would be the key advantage.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Samaris wrote: »
    No, the point of internment is that it is against a large group of people and there is no trial first (and it's not guaranteed to be one after - at the stage a society gets to internment camps, the whole human rights thing is starting to slip down the scale). People are removed from the community and..well..interned until someone figures out what to do with them. Various of these people will be proven guilty in the end, various others will be proved innocent. It's a dangerous precedent - the Americans rounded up all the Japanese Americans in the country and interned them in WW2. The bitterness over that still lives on. And that's before we get near the groups that were interned and then exterminated. Overall, it's a serious step for a country to take against its own citizens.

    Also, I think she was just an idiot too, but the whole internment thing has been bubbling away for a while and a lot of people don't agree with it.


    Yes, but she apparently referred to 'extremists' so it is fair to say the large group of people she meant was the ''3000'' extremists rather than ''all Muslims). I would give her the benefit of the doubt and say she might not have envisaged the whole human rights thing going by the wayside along with it. At any rate, an article decrying her as a sinister fascist is unnecessary. She should probably talk to a solicitor about defamation of character.

    I agree with what I am reading as the spirit of her point, that not enough is being done and that it isn't possible to prevent attacks when extremists are free to roam without closer supervision.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,053 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    Yep and it's perfectly fine for her opinion it to be disparaged if her views basically go in opposition to human rights. Let's abandon fair trial and put people in camps is a view that deserves to be criticised.

    If it keeps the amount of attacks down and they are on any watch list then she is right but the usual bull from the Left about their Human rights, I couldn't give a monkey's about their Human rights! What about the Human rights of all the victims who have been killed by these murderers, if it stops future attacks happening then lets do it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 402 ✭✭Exeggcute


    As stupid as her comments were, they pale in comparison to the idiots like Donald Clarke who actually devote more column inches to discussing her ideas seriously.

    Then again, Donald Clarke has always been an insufferable arsehole


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Biggest lickspittle on boardz


    Well if other so-called Celebs like Lilly Allen, Katy Perry and JK Rowling can sprout their hug a migrant nonsense then Vogue has every right to let her thoughts be known!


    Speaking of Lilly Allen, the daft cabbage has been busy proclaiming that any criticism of Diane Abbot's recent string of car crash interviews is simply 'racist and sexist abuse'.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4576434/Jibes-Abbott-racist-sexist-says-Lily-Allen.html#comments


    Truly the voice of a generation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,760 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    I would rather watch Paint dry then listen to Abbott

    EVENFLOW



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,267 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    ITV news tonight says that the terrorist who lived here and got married here married and IRISH person? I thought she was Scottish?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Persephone kindness


    joeysoap wrote: »
    ITV news tonight says that the terrorist who lived here and got married here married and IRISH person? I thought she was Scottish?
    i thought so too ..maybe she was irish..jesus though imagine finding out your husband did that?:(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    Internment me hole. There isn't a Public figure would dare come out and even criticise Islam in vague terms. Internment? Lol. It's "how can we sound serious without actually mentioning Islam??" They have "The Fear". I kinda understand why. It isn't what you'd call a "good career move" right now. Even on Fb, the full time employees of "Mad Bsatrad Inc" aren't exactly vocal. Who wants a Fatwah in their life? Not me anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    i thought so too ..maybe she was irish..jesus though imagine finding out your husband did that?:(

    You think she was surprised?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,848 ✭✭✭take everything


    Can anyone tell me why many of the potential victims are down as missing and unaccounted for.

    I haven't heard of this before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,848 ✭✭✭take everything


    Meanwhile, in the intellectual black hole/twilight zone known as the Irish Times, Donald Clarke has seized upon some poorly thought out ideas from Vogue Williams to label her a 'sinister totalitarian', if you don't mind. Williams had something of a brainfart recently by suggesting that internment should be considered to deal with known Islamic extremists. A populist idea at times like this, but politically disastrous it should be noted.

    Of course, this was like a red flag to the bull Donald Clarke. He has now declared that "her column should be considered alongside the right-wing provocations of Ukip and Breitbart media."

    So there you have it. Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler, Vogue Williams.

    She has been outcast to the 'alt-right' for offering an admittedly silly suggestion. See, this is exactly how the left operates. They want to bully and dismiss anyone who strays from the party line, whether it is warranted or not. And they know exactly what they're doing. Vogue Williams is simply the latest victim of the online lefty lynch mob that seeks to tarnish their opponents as some sort of baby eating, kerb stomping, swastika saluting monster.

    Welcome to the club, Vogue.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/vogue-williams-is-not-an-idiot-she-s-a-sinister-totalitarian-1.3109389

    I always consult Roz Purcell's opinions on North Korea/US relations myself.

    I've noticed being alt-rightish is what's real trendy for some women nowadays.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Can anyone tell me why many of the potential victims are down as missing and unaccounted for.

    I haven't heard of this before.

    They can't be officialy identified until the coroner's report starts tomorrow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 869 ✭✭✭mikeybrennan


    Can anyone tell me why many of the potential victims are down as missing and unaccounted for.

    I haven't heard of this before.

    Surprised me too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,848 ✭✭✭take everything


    They can't be officialy identified until the coroner's report starts tomorrow.

    God the poor relatives.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Police appealing for someone missing may have been thrown into the Thames apparently.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 869 ✭✭✭mikeybrennan


    Teresa may is being very opportunistic saying she will change the law to get suspects off the streets

    At least 2 officers today have said that cuts to community policing are having an impact on this battle


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    Teresa may is being very opportunistic saying she will change the law to get suspects off the streets

    At least 2 officers today have said that cuts to community policing are having an impact on this battle

    It's a "battle"?

    I thought it was just a few lone wolves. :confused:

    lol.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 869 ✭✭✭mikeybrennan


    Beyondgone wrote: »
    It's a "battle"?

    I thought it was just a few lone wolves. :confused:

    lol.

    Lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    joeysoap wrote: »
    ITV news tonight says that the terrorist who lived here and got married here married and IRISH person? I thought she was Scottish?

    That's what the English media do, winning =English... Losing =Irish. Been that way for a very long time.

    Edit :she is Scottish

    Edit:change English for British


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,703 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    joeysoap wrote: »
    ITV news tonight says that the terrorist who lived here and got married here married and IRISH person? I thought she was Scottish?

    Sky news says she's British but her surname is O'Leary so prolly born to Irish parents in the UK.
    I would rather watch Paint dry then listen to Abbott

    Shes so bad she's good - great comedy during this election. How she ever became one of Labours top MP's I'll never know. Token gesture if you ask me - should resign and retire imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,053 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Can anyone tell me why many of the potential victims are down as missing and unaccounted for.

    I haven't heard of this before.

    The Spanish man missing is a brother in law to a friend of my wife they still haven't had it confirmed but are pretty sure he is dead, just waiting for confirmation :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    i thought so too ..maybe she was irish..jesus though imagine finding out your husband did that?:(

    She would have known, she would have been a Muslim convert


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭Somedude9


    A daft bint whomever she is


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    The Spanish man missing is a brother in law to a friend of my wife they still haven't had it confirmed but are pretty sure he is dead, just waiting for confirmation :(

    So sorry to hear that :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    B_Wayne wrote: »
    Yep and it's perfectly fine for her opinion it to be disparaged if her views basically go in opposition to human rights. Let's abandon fair trial and put people in camps is a view that deserves to be criticised.

    If someone is known to have downloaded/distributed radical propaganda
    If someone has just come back from fighting for ISIS
    If someone is known to have been to a jihadi training camp
    What more do you want to know before locking them up until you can 100% know they will not kill someone in the name of Islam


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