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What if the Internet had been around during the 'Troubles'

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  • #32
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,116 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    LordSutch wrote: »
    your IRA heroes.

    I don't have any heroes. Unlike you with the RUC/UDR/BA I'm fully aware that the IRA were ruthless killers and have no problem condemning them for acts like Kingsmill, Enniskillen, bombing bars etc.


  • #33
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,555 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Now now, don't betrying to twist thigs there^

    The PIRA terrorised for the best part of thirty years for a United Ireland @any cost, that was their goal > and they failed.

    The SDLP are to be commended for not getting embroiled in the mayhem.

    The British and the sectarian statelet they propped up were terrorising for much longer causing the conflict/war.

    The UI project is very much alive and the British are back in their barracks and the sectarian statelet and it police forces gone forever.

    Google it. The internet will show you the truth


  • #34
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,076 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    I don't have any heroes. Unlike you with the RUC/UDR/BA I'm fully aware that the IRA were ruthless killers and have no problem condemning them for acts like Kingsmill, Enniskillen, bombing bars etc.

    'You two' spend an awful lot of time defending the Provo's for some reason, as you have just now^

    As regards the security forces, well without them an awful lot more people would have been blown to smithereens by the various bombings (foiled by the Army & the police). The little robot thingy was always being sent in to check out dodgy looking cars in town centres, many of which contained bombs designed to main and kill < The Army defused many of them.

    It was said at the time that the Bombers only had to get lucky once, while the security forces had to be lucky every time they attempted to defuse an IRA bomb.


  • #35
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,555 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    LordSutch wrote: »
    'You two' spend an awful lot of time defending the Provo's for some reason, as you have just now^.

    As regards the security forces, without them an awful lot more people would have been blown to smithereens by the various bombings (foiled by the Army & the police). The little robot thingy was always being sent in to check out dodgy looking cars in town centres, many of which contained bombs designed to main and kill < The Army defused them.

    It was said at the time that the Bombers only had to get lucky once, while the security forces had to be lucky every time they attempted to defuse a bomb.

    The internet may one day show that those 'security forces' may have helped blow up a few people in Monaghan and Dublin and actually shows were they actively took a side and killed on its behalf.
    So much so it was restructured and renamed in disgrace.

    Google it.


  • #36
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,076 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The internet may one day show that those 'security forces' may have helped blow up a few people in Monaghan and Dublin and actually shows were they actively took a side and killed on its behalf.
    So much so it was restructured and renamed in disgrace.

    Google it.

    Must you end every post with 'Google it'?

    Goodnight.


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  • #37
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    LordSutch wrote: »
    It was said at the time that the Bombers only had to get lucky once, while the security forces had to be lucky every time they attempted to defuse an IRA bomb.

    "We only have to be lucky once" - I think that's probably my favourite line uttered by any terrorist organisation (it's definitely near the top of the list anyway). So chilling, and also so inspirational - I've applied it to many aspects of my life, from online dating to job interviews to exams.


  • #38
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,116 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    LordSutch wrote: »
    As regards the security forces, well without them an awful lot more people would have been blown to smithereens by the various bombings (foiled by the Army & the police).

    Absolute ill-informed nonsense. The unionist militias were one of the principal causes of the conflict. The British Army were brought in to protect the Nationalist community from them and Stormont was suspended because unionist politicians could not be trusted even by the British.


  • #39
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,555 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Must you end every post with 'Google it'?

    Goodnight.

    You display classic symptom's of being misinformed you clearly don't know how to use the internet.
    Just trying to help you.


  • #40
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,504 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    wordofwarning wrote: »
    Most people and I will never support terrorists. You might like to window dress it by calling it the 'cause' but terrorism is terrorism. Blowing up a bar of innocent people or causing £500m worth of property damage is terrorism.

    I am struggling to see why I would support the 'cause' by hearing the justification of why a terrorist caused £500m worth of property damage with the object of creating a United Ireland...

    Even if the British media were reporting the terrorist or republican POV, I personally could not have cared less. So what if the RUC, were killing Catholics. They were killing Catholics, therefore terrorists could justify killing innocent people in London?

    We look at our TV in disgust when terrorists kill innocent civilians as revenge over a US airstrike etc. Yet you are telling me we would support the innocent killing of Brits if we could hear the justification from terrorists?

    the property damage was to do economic damage. given a choice between it and killing civilians i'd take the property damage every time.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #41
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    The crap both sides pulled would be on the internet, such as the liaison between the RUN and loyalist terrorists, and the disappeared, the republican kill count, and how they killed so many catholics.


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  • #42
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    RayM wrote: »
    "We only have to be lucky once" - I think that's probably my favourite line uttered by any terrorist organisation (it's definitely near the top of the list anyway). So chilling, and also so inspirational - I've applied it to many aspects of my life, from online dating to job interviews to exams.

    Your favourite motivational quotes are based on terrorism? Well, that's a new one.


  • #43
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    If the internet was around then, nobody would have a clue whose story to believe, as it would be full of propaganda and lies, much like it is now.


  • #44
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    Widdershins wrote: »
    Your favourite motivational quotes are based on terrorism? Well, that's a new one.

    I sometimes think I should have "that was a joke" in my sig.


  • #45
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Widdershins wrote: »
    If the internet was around then, nobody would have a clue whose story to believe, as it would be full of propaganda and lies, much like it is now.

    It would have been good/interesting to see what counter surrveilence techniques would have arisen

    As towards the end of the troubles they were able to devlop some at the time very good techniques about counter surrveilence around mobile phones (including 1 famous but harmless incident around westminister)...

    .but the prolofication of the internet and gps of iphones etc would have lead to massive issues....but oppurtunities (possibly wrong word?) aswell for them to track mobile patrols??...


    thank fcuk its unlikely we will ever find out


  • #46
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,555 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Widdershins wrote: »
    If the internet was around then, nobody would have a clue whose story to believe, as it would be full of propaganda and lies, much like it is now.

    Wrong, there was plenty of propaganda and cover up.
    There was only one side the media was interested in destroying/exposing - the republican/nationalist side and to an extent the loyalist/unionist one.

    Where the internet would have made a difference was in exposing the actions of those actually responsible for society - the two governments.
    You would have known who opened fire first on Bloody Sunday - Ballymurphy etc. etc.
    You would have know what the Heavy Gang got up to etc.
    And censorship would have been as ineffective as it was counterproductive.


  • #47
    Atoms for Peace
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    jeanjolie wrote: »
    It's unlikely that the world would be as it is with a communication network like the Internet.

    There's a theory that the brutality of WWII was fueled by the inability of populations to see different groups within their nations and other nations with the humanity that they do today.

    The internet would almost certainly have prevented the Troubles.

    I have to disagree, as for those with extreme views the net is an echo chamber for strange ideas ranging from misogyny to ISIS inspired mass killings.


  • #48
    PistolsAtDawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭PistolsAtDawn


    Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »
    LordSutch and Junkyard Tom would both have made the ultimate sacrifice, by starving themselves to death in front of their keyboard's in a month long, round the clock effort to highlight their cause.

    Men starved themselves to death for a cause they believed in and this is to be made fun of?


  • #49
    eeguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭eeguy


    PistolsAtDawn wrote: »
    Men starved themselves to death for a cause they believed in and this is to be made fun of?

    You can make fun of anything after a while.

    9/11 got funny within 2 years.


  • #50
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    I suppose this Film might have been made in time to save some lives

    http://www.unquietgraves.com/


  • #51
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    RayM wrote: »
    I sometimes think I should have "that was a joke" in my sig.

    Bit there's a grain of truth in every joke. And I could believe it.


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  • #52
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    The TV coverage shown was a lot more graphic than it is today


  • #53
    wordofwarning
    Closed Accounts Posts: 697 ✭✭✭wordofwarning


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
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    They kill us, we kill them...

    What is this? Are we living in 1308?


  • #54
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,555 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    wordofwarning wrote: »
    They kill us, we kill them...

    What is this? Are we living in 1308?

    I think the poster meant that is what happened.

    And it's been happeing since before 1308.

    Why are people who are happy to keep quiet about atrocities committed by some constantly suprised when those acts come back with consequences.

    Bates Banagher, imo.


  • #55
    Persephone kindness
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Persephone kindness


    I would say Shinner heads would have had a rude awakening to what people actually thought of them.


  • #56
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    Widdershins wrote: »
    Bit there's a grain of truth in every joke. And I could believe it.

    AH is exhausting sometimes.


  • #57
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    RayM wrote: »
    AH is exhausting sometimes.

    It is, yes. Sometimes I think I should put a :P
    I was only pulling your leg!


  • #58
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,555 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Persephone kindness wrote: »
    I would say Shinner heads would have had a rude awakening to what people actually thought of them.

    I love it when people reveal themselves with comments like the one above.
    Probably the same people who will climb the great hill of indignation if somebody generalises about the British or Unionists.
    'Shinner heads' - Fabulous.


  • #59
    Sleepy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,540 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    The rest of the world might have had a much better understanding of just how small a minority of the Irish population the IRA and their supporters actually were.


  • #60
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Wrong, there was plenty of propaganda and cover up.
    There was only one side the media was interested in destroying/exposing - the republican/nationalist side and to an extent the loyalist/unionist one.

    Where the internet would have made a difference was in exposing the actions of those actually responsible for society - the two governments.
    You would have known who opened fire first on Bloody Sunday - Ballymurphy etc. etc.
    You would have know what the Heavy Gang got up to etc.
    And censorship would have been as ineffective as it was counterproductive.

    Would you ever calm yourself down for once. I didn't say there wasn't already propaganda. We would have endless ridiculous meme-wars as well.


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  • #61
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,555 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Widdershins wrote: »
    Would you ever calm yourself down for once. I didn't say there wasn't already propaganda. We would have endless ridiculous meme-wars as well.

    I'm perfectly calm.
    I'm hysterically laughing though at those who are frantically trying to pretend that the internet during the troubles would not have exposed the lies and cover-ups of the two governments.


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