London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

Roger Hassenforder · 05-06-2017 08:13PM

neverever1 wrote: »

Yes I just did. Also has anyone read this: https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-manchester-bombing-as-blowback-the-latest-evidence-83ec2127801d
Look, maybe people don't know the truth or don't want to believe that British/American forces have caused all this with decades or murderous and underhand tactics. There is no excuse for the murder of innocents by these madmen, let's get that clear. However, there can be no excuse for British/American murder either.

no you didn't, & well you know it.
have another go

RandomName2 · 05-06-2017 08:15PM

neverever1 wrote: »

No, the attacks in the West are because of Muslims killed by the West.

Wow that post that started that thread of conversation was quite a few pages back.

I know other people have already said this, but all the same, "no".

I thought it was the cartoons of Muhammad? Or perhaps it was support of Israel? I know that the German attacks were due to the beer and sausages, which were slights, no doubt, upon the religion as a whole.

You can also write more than one line per post.

neverever1 · 05-06-2017 08:16PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

no you didn't, & well you know it.
have another go

What was your question?

neverever1 · 05-06-2017 08:16PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

Wow that post that started that thread of conversation was quite a few pages back.

I know other people have already said this, but all the same, "no".

I thought it was the cartoons of Muhammad? Or perhaps it was support of Israel? I know that the German attacks were due to the beer and sausages, which were slights, no doubt, upon the religion as a whole.

You can also write more than one line per post.

Okay.

Roger Hassenforder · 05-06-2017 08:26PM

neverever1 wrote: »

What was your question?

the one you claimed you've answered!
:rolleyes:

ilkhanid · 05-06-2017 08:28PM

neverever1 wrote: »

These people don't just come from nowhere! They're created.

No, not from nowhere and they're were'nt created in the way you think. A confluence of extremist philosophies from Egypt (The Muslim Brotherhood), Saudi Arabia (Wah'habism) and the Indian sub-continent (Mau'dudism) came together,feeding off each other,precipitated by the Russian War in Afghanistan, the iranian Revolution and the siege of the great Mosque in Mecca. And even those philosophies had their roots in earlier Muslim thought such as the ideas of Ibn Tamiyyah. Then we had the humiliation of the Arabs by Israel, the failure of the secular dictatorships and, finally, the chaos caused by Bush's invasion and the stage was set. IS has many fathers.

polan · 05-06-2017 08:28PM

In 2016 there were 1274 Islamic attacks in 50 countries, in which 11774 people were killed and 14303 injured.

You can have a look at the list HERE
In the last 30 Days there were 188 Islamic attacks in 26 countries, in which 1439 people were killed and 1674 injured.

neverever1 · 05-06-2017 08:29PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

the one you claimed you've answered!
:rolleyes:

Oh that one? Yeah i answered it.

neverever1 · 05-06-2017 08:31PM

ilkhanid wrote: »

No, not from nowhere and they're were'nt created in the way you think. A confluence of extremist philosophies from Egypt (The Muslim Brotherhood), Saudi Arabia (Wah'habism) and the Indian sub-continent (Mau'didism) came together,feeding off each other,precipitated by the Russian War in Afghanistan, the iranian Revolution and the siege of the great Mosque in Mecca. And even those philosophies had their roots in earlier Muslim thought such as the ideas of Ibn Tamiyyah. Then we had the humiliation of the Arabs by Israel, the failure of the secular dictatorships and, finally, the chaos caused by Bush's invasion and the stage was set. IS has many fathers.

Wow! You managed not to mention Britain once.

pjohnson · 05-06-2017 08:33PM

neverever1 wrote: »

Wow! You managed not to mention Britain once.

Its almost like Britain isn't actually as important as you make out.

Ken. · 05-06-2017 08:36PM

Mod-Neverever1 do not post in this thread again.

Will I Am Not · 05-06-2017 08:42PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

We're not seeing an upsurge. 2 major attacks in close proximity in the UK compared to none in the previous decade doesn't constitute an upsurge in terrorism.

You conveniently left out the Manchester bombing, because it's not in close proximity?

Amazing how people twist statistics to suit an agenda.

3 attacks in the U.K. in the last 2 months with further potential attacks foiled absolutely is an upsurge.

Autochange · 05-06-2017 08:44PM

The attacks in London and Manchester are just the beginning. Right wing policy allows bombing of civillians in the Muslim world while left wing policy allows radicalized individuals to travel en masse to Europe. We are all screwed and I for one dont really care as its too late to do anything to stop it.

Hector Savage · 05-06-2017 09:04PM

https://twitter.com/SofieHagen/status/871277559526379520

So its MEN that are to blame !! God Darn it !!! Guess im partly to blame so !!!

NIMAN · 05-06-2017 09:08PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SofieHagen/status/871277559526379520

So its MEN that are to blame !! God Darn it !!! Guess im partly to blame so !!!

Sweet Christ.:rolleyes:

Hector Savage · 05-06-2017 09:11PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Sweet Christ.:rolleyes:

She's a "comedian" and comes highly recommended from the Guardian - I suppose that explains everything really

pjohnson · 05-06-2017 09:11PM

Ah so THE BRITISH CITIZEN was actually a Moroccan who married so he could become "british". Never forget guys these terrorists cannot be deported. They are British they cant be sent anywhere. ITS NOT POSSIBLE

baldbear · 05-06-2017 09:20PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Ah so THE BRITISH CITIZEN was actually a Moroccan who married so he could become "british". Never forget guys these terrorists cannot be deported. They are British they cant be sent anywhere. ITS NOT POSSIBLE

I'd say with Brexit the British government will be able to revoke citizenship of extremists.

We here are a soft touch. I wonder how many of these types have marriages have taken place?

Really Interested · 05-06-2017 09:23PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Ah so THE BRITISH CITIZEN was actually a Moroccan who married so he could become "british". Never forget guys these terrorists cannot be deported. They are British they cant be sent anywhere. ITS NOT POSSIBLE

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2016-06-21/citizenship-stripping-new-figures-reveal-theresa-may-has-deprived-33-individuals-of-british-citizenship

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/09/terror-suspects-british-citizenship-european-ruling

Really Interested · 05-06-2017 09:24PM

baldbear wrote: »

I'd say with Brexit the British government will be able to revoke citizenship of extremists.

We here are a soft touch. I wonder how many of these types have marriages have taken place?

UK has been stripping citizenship for ages.

baldbear · 05-06-2017 09:28PM

Really Interested wrote: »

UK has been stripping citizenship for ages.

Is it done here?

delly · 05-06-2017 09:29PM

Interesting to read the stats that have been posted in relation to terrorist deaths since the early 2000's compared to the 80's and 90's. This may be technically correct, but a corresponding statistic that can't be worked out, is the effect of such attacks in this era compared to those before 2000.

By this, I mean the proliferation of social media, internet, online videos, etc. etc. Although death tolls are part of the calculations, the 'terror' effect within terrorism is off the scale compared to when the IRA or whoever were active. The actions reach more people, they see it in glorious HD. There is no BBC censoring images or dubbing over figureheads so that they lose credibility (For those of you too young to remember, Gerry Adams for example was prohibited from speaking on UK TV. News reports would feature a person giving him a voiceover).

So my point is, yes, the stats may be better, but the fear and closeness to it for the ordinary person is way higher. Even worse is that we are also living in an era that has so much disinformation and non credible news sources, that people sometimes don't know what to think or believe.

Really Interested · 05-06-2017 09:34PM

baldbear wrote: »

Is it done here?

It can be I believe that it has been done.

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/INCA%20Dec2014.pdf/Files/INCA%20Dec2014.pdf

Section 19.

"We have been working on a number of cases involving the proposed revocation of Irish citizenship in the recent months."

http://brophysolicitors.ie/revocation-of-irish-citizenship/[URL][/url]

ceadaoin. · 05-06-2017 09:47PM

baldbear wrote: »

I'd say with Brexit the British government will be able to revoke citizenship of extremists.

We here are a soft touch. I wonder how many of these types have marriages have taken place?

I know of a girl who "met" a much older (in his 50s) North African man online when she was in her teens. Now they are married and he lives in Ireland.

Relatives of hers actually went to the guards about this marriage trying to stop it because the girl has pretty severe learning difficulties, they felt she was basically groomed online and was being taken advantage of as a means to live in Ireland. Basically a sham marriage. Nothing could be done they said. Now she has to hide their children's passports from him because she is terrified he will take them back to his home country given the chance.

Help!!!! · 05-06-2017 09:48PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SofieHagen/status/871277559526379520

So its MEN that are to blame !! God Darn it !!! Guess im partly to blame so !!!

She's the type that have been shouting for open borders while calling anyone who questions it a racist.

Phoebas · 05-06-2017 10:01PM

Really Interested wrote: »

It can be I believe that it has been done.

Certainly looks possible under this provision:

You have, through an overt act, failed in your duty of fidelity to the nation and loyalty to the State

I'd say a marriage would complicate things greatly, with the constitutional protection of the family.

Widdershins · 05-06-2017 10:01PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I know of a girl who "met" a much older (in his 50s) North African man online when she was in her teens. Now they are married and he lives in Ireland.

Relatives of hers actually went to the guards about this marriage trying to stop it because the girl has pretty severe learning difficulties, they felt she was basically groomed online and was being taken advantage of as a means to live in Ireland. Basically a sham marriage. Nothing could be done they said. Now she has to hide their children's passports from him because she is terrified he will take them back to his home country given the chance.

Would the social services be a better option? They have to investigate all reports. That is not a safe situation, I'm sorry to hear of it.

Widdershins · 05-06-2017 10:05PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SofieHagen/status/871277559526379520

So its MEN that are to blame !! God Darn it !!! Guess im partly to blame so !!!

Usual laughable nonsense. If you go down through the comments a bit, some called ''Bou'' has listed numerous men who tried their level best to stop the attackers in various ways. It's quite moving.

123balltv · 05-06-2017 10:07PM

12 petrol bombs found in London attackers van

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4574856/Met-examining-Molotov-cocktails-London-Bridge-van.html

Strazdas · 05-06-2017 10:08PM

gitzy16v wrote: »

70's 80's 90's death toll from terrorism is about 1320 deaths.
2004-2017 death toll is a few shy of 700 deaths...
So 30 years versus 13 years the death toll is half...funny that, how stats work.

Security experts reckon ISIS is in decline worldwide and these current attacks are the last sting of a dying wasp.

London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

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