London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

MonkieSocks · 05-06-2017 06:39PM

gitzy16v wrote: »

I read earlier one of them was on a C4 documentary,about Jihadis,with an ISIS flag:eek:preaching radical crap too.
Surely that was a big red flag to authorities in itself.

Link
http://documentary-movie.com/the-jihadis-next-door/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxew1fGuWIQ

RocketRaccoon · 05-06-2017 06:40PM

MonkieSocks wrote: »

Link
http://documentary-movie.com/the-jihadis-next-door/

This is also available on Netflix, I only watched it last week. The animal involved the other night didn't have a bit part in it at all but was still seen on screen more than once.

Depp · 05-06-2017 06:42PM

Danzy wrote: »

Any British Soldier that went to places like Afghanistan, Iraq etc to fight deserved everything they got and more.

I would view the locals as having an obligation to send them back in the bag, whether that was last year, a decade or a century ago.

single handedly the most despicable thing thats been said in this thread and you should be ashamed of yourself. They were lied to about iraq the same as anyone else was. The war in afghanistan was completely justified aswel or have you forgotten about 9/11?

Every one of these threads theres always that one comment that makes me think ''well theres the scummiest thing I'll ever see said on boards.ie'' and every time a new thread comes up I get surprised. For shame.

Danzy · 05-06-2017 06:44PM

gitzy16v wrote: »

I read earlier one of them was on a C4 documentary,about Jihadis,with an ISIS flag:eek:preaching radical crap too.
Surely that was a big red flag to authorities in itself.

There was a piece somewhere in the last month and an English Intelligence Operative was saying that in his City alone he considered about 3000 people who needed monitoring.

It might have been Manchester or Birmingham, don't recall.

The point being that just to monitor that many in that one place, some who would no doubt be on the fringe or just fundraising or even just strict Salafi types would be enough to occupy the entire Intelligence services.

neverever1 · 05-06-2017 06:45PM

ligerdub wrote: »

One can debate the wrongs of what can be classified as "Western" geopolitical policy independently of the actions of Islamic extremist acts.

But when one directly causes the other then it can't really be separated.

Danzy · 05-06-2017 06:46PM

Depp wrote: »

single handedly the most despicable thing thats been said in this thread and you should be ashamed of yourself. They were lied to about iraq the same as anyone else was. The war in afghanistan was completely justified aswel or have you forgotten about 9/11?

Every one of these threads theres always that one comment that makes me think ''well theres the scummiest thing I'll ever see said on boards.ie'' and every time a new thread comes up I get surprised. For shame.

Honestly?

P.S.

Praise Kek

neverever1 · 05-06-2017 06:47PM

Depp wrote: »

single handedly the most despicable thing thats been said in this thread and you should be ashamed of yourself. They were lied to about iraq the same as anyone else was. The war in afghanistan was completely justified aswel or have you forgotten about 9/11?

Every one of these threads theres always that one comment that makes me think ''well theres the scummiest thing I'll ever see said on boards.ie'' and every time a new thread comes up I get surprised. For shame.

It's amazing how many apologists for British murder campaigns there are on boards.ie.

gitzy16v · 05-06-2017 06:47PM

Danzy wrote: »

There was a piece somewhere in the last month and an English Intelligence Operative was saying that in his City alone he considered about 3000 people who needed monitoring.

It might have been Manchester or Birmingham, don't recall.

The point being that just to monitor that many in that one place, some who would no doubt be on the fringe or just fundraising or even just strict Salafi types would be enough to occupy the entire Intelligence services.

Could the strict Salafi/Wahabbist types who preach hatred for Jews,Gays apostates in the mosques etc be arrested under hate crime laws?

Depp · 05-06-2017 06:48PM

Danzy wrote: »

Honestly?

You said any of the guys on the ground deserved to die, which is disgusting. If you're gunna say something about the politicians etc. behind the whole thing work away but to say what you said is sick.

neverever1 · 05-06-2017 06:50PM

Depp wrote: »

You said any of the guys on the ground deserved to die, which is disgusting. If you're gunna say something about the politicians etc. behind the whole thing work away but to say what you said is sick.

Many of these people you speak of murdered innocent civilians, they tortured people, they raped women all across those countries. Basically they acted the exact same as Isis.

Danzy · 05-06-2017 06:50PM

gitzy16v wrote: »

Could the strict Salafi/Wahabbist types who preach hatred for Jews,Gays apostates in the mosques etc be arrested under hate crime laws?

They can legally but the will is not there, even the evidence is readily available.

If they start arresting Imams and Preachers for inciting murder of the above, there is going to be a very large number of them in jail.

At a minimum you would be looking at a 1/3 of all Sunni Mosques being closed for it.

No one wants to deal with it though.

Danzy · 05-06-2017 06:54PM

Depp wrote: »

You said any of the guys on the ground deserved to die, which is disgusting. If you're gunna say something about the politicians etc. behind the whole thing work away but to say what you said is sick.

They knew what they were signing up for.

Any one who goes and occupies another's country can't complain when the locals shoot back and they have every right to do so.

I see a hostile foreign force that comes over to a place and fights and terrorize communities as being applicable whether it is there or in Europe via Jihadis.

This is a distraction from the thread. We'll agree to disagree.

Roger Hassenforder · 05-06-2017 06:54PM

neverever1 wrote: »

They'd be consigned to the history books if not for western attack. We've been over this.

Ok, you need to clarify something for the rest of us:

Is what we're seeing (recent upsurge in Islamic terrorism, i.e. ISIS inspired attacks on Western civilians) mainly the result of the British (and Americans) bombing the ME, and if so, when do you regard this bombing to have commenced?

Nothing to do with the sudden and recent collapse of power in the ME, namely the removal of "secular" strongman that kept in check the Islamic fundamentalists, who now, using Western technologies, are seeking to reestablish an Islamic caliphate last seen when Mehmed VI departed in 1922...

Depp · 05-06-2017 06:54PM

neverever1 wrote: »

Many of these people you speak of murdered innocent civilians, they tortured people, they raped women all across those countries. Basically they acted the exact same as Isis.

any evidence of this happening on the large scale you seem to suggest it did?

youreadthat · 05-06-2017 06:56PM

neverever1 wrote: »

Many of these people you speak of murdered innocent civilians, they tortured people, they raped women all across those countries. Basically they acted the exact same as Isis.

You live in a fantasy land.

ilkhanid · 05-06-2017 06:58PM

neverever1 wrote: »

You may not count many of those killed as innocent civilians and think all muslims deserve it but not everyone thinks the same.

Most people know the difference between innocent victims and combatants. IS don't care.

Let's get this straight. IS and their acolytes don't think like us;they're in another mental place and it's futile to compare them to us. They don't have empathy like we do. If they did they wouldn't do what they do. They're like the Nazis and the Stalinists in that regard;they simply don't see huge numbers of other beings as being properly human. When they say things, they don't mean the things you think they saying, words mean different things to them.
They follow a strain of Islam that emphasises the connection between Sunni Muslims above all else. To them (Sunni) Islam overrides all other obligations,duties and loyalties. Only the Ummah matters. For a start that means that they have disconnected themselves from any community they inhabit.
They are, in addition, takfiris, which means that they reserve the right to exclude or, excommunicate, everybody who differs from them, to pronounce them as un-Islamic.
You've probably heard them condemn the "West" for waging war against "The Muslims" -as they put it. But to them "the Muslims" don't mean all Muslims, just a tiny percentage of Muslims. For a start, all the Shia, Ismaelis, Ahmadis, Druze , Ibadis and people of every other strain of Islam are heretic and subject to the death penalty. As are members of "Polytheist" (their notion) religions. Christians and Jews are to be humble inferiors living in fear and subjection.
Muslims who co-operate with "Apostate" regimes, simply by paying taxes,voting or living an impious life are considered liable for death.Men have been killed for shaving, women for uncovering their faces.
That's a considerable proportion of the population of the world. IS ultimately harbours ambitions for genocidal slaughter on a scale that would dwarf the toll of the 20c tyrants.
Trying to ascribe righteous indignation for Muslims killed in bombings, or whatever, to people like that is nonsensical. They're beyond all that. To them Muslims are only fodder for the war that they see in their grandiose ambitions:only martyrs or the damned. Nothing else. Don't be misled by this nonsense.

pjohnson · 05-06-2017 07:00PM

Its a great talent the protectors of Islam have to turn a conversation about the Muslim murderers into a British Murderers discussion. If you run out of excuses best switch topic completely

Roger Hassenforder · 05-06-2017 07:03PM

gitzy16v wrote: »

Could the strict Salafi/Wahabbist types who preach hatred for Jews,Gays apostates in the mosques etc be arrested under hate crime laws?

took them 10 years to deport Abu Qatada to Jordan

Depp · 05-06-2017 07:05PM

Danzy wrote: »

They knew what they were signing up for.

Any one who goes and occupies another's country can't complain when the locals shoot back and they have every right to do so.

I see a hostile foreign force that comes over to a place and fights and terrorize communities as being applicable whether it is there or in Europe via Jihadis.

This is a distraction from the thread. We'll agree to disagree.

I'm ok with agreeing to disagree but just take note it was the taliban not just ''locals'' that were involved, have a look into them and what life was like under them when you get a chance.

gitzy16v · 05-06-2017 07:09PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

took them 10 years to deport Abu Qatada to Jordan

Yeh I think we have our own issues here with deporting someone linked to Islamic terrorism,cant remember the case off hand but its being held up on human rights issues in the country hes being deported to.
Its about time lads like these are just deported to the country of origin and forgotten about,who gives a crap what happens to an Islamic terrorist when they return to their home countries...I dont anyway.

Danzy · 05-06-2017 07:10PM

Britain blew its chance to set the ground rules in the 80s during the Rushdie affair.

Thousands marching calling for the murder of a writer for writing about MoMo in a not flattering way.

Attacks, firebombings, book burnings.

Labour MP Keith Vaz led a 3,000-strong demonstration intent on burning an effigy of Rushdie and carried a banner showing Rushdie's head, complete with horns and fangs, superimposed on a dog.

At the very least hundreds should have been jailed for incitement to violence, murder and hate.

Given what we know know, thousands should have been jailed.

In reality the boat has sailed on it being easy, there are no nice options left, the only certainty is that further prevarication will mean that the challenge grows further.

Danzy · 05-06-2017 07:11PM

Depp wrote: »

I'm ok with agreeing to disagree but just take note it was the taliban not just ''locals'' that were involved, have a look into them and what life was like under them when you get a chance.

A fair point, I was a little hesitant in typing Afghanistan.

I am familiar with the savagery of the Taliban.

mikeybrennan · 05-06-2017 07:14PM

One of the attackers again known to police

Channel 4 footage of him unfurling an IS style flag

Dyr · 05-06-2017 07:18PM

http://www.thejournal.ie/london-attack-named-3428198-Jun2017/

Wonder is this ***** wife still living in Ireland?

Im sure she's a wonderful person, asset to the community etc etc

wonderfullife · 05-06-2017 07:20PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Is what we're seeing (recent upsurge in Islamic terrorism, i.e. ISIS inspired attacks on Western civilians) ....

We're not seeing an upsurge. 2 major attacks in close proximity in the UK compared to none in the previous decade doesn't constitute an upsurge in terrorism.

How about address these facts:

From 1970-2004 between these terrorist organisations - IRA, UVF, Abu Nidal, Ustase, Black September, ETA, Nuclei Armati, Babbar Kalsa, Sicilian Mafia and Ustase - they combined to kill over 6,500 in Europe. In fact, from 1975 to 1985 that number was over 2,500 for the decade.

From 2004 to 2017, Islamic motivated terror in Europe has killed 987 people and in the past decade the number is 687 with well over half of those attacks happening in Turkey and Russia.

Stop trying to peddle this myth that Europe is under siege by terrorism. We are literally by every metric living in a more peaceful era when it comes to terrorism. The likes of the IRA, ETA, Ustase etc are gone.

Yes Radical Islamists are committing attacks and are a problem but people are constantly pushing some sort of narrative about a clash of civilizations and the problem of terrorism being at unprecedented levels in Europe.

It's not.
It isn't.

We're doing rather well Europe-wide.

Mod: Banned for ignoring thread ban.

ilkhanid · 05-06-2017 07:23PM

Depp wrote: »

I'm ok with agreeing to disagree but just take note it was the taliban not just ''locals'' that were involved, have a look into them and what life was like under them when you get a chance.

To be precise. Afghanistan, like iraq, is a divided nation. It is the Sunni Pushtuns that constitute the Taliban. The Coalition were welcomed by the Hazara, Tadjiks, Uzbeks and other groups.

ligerdub · 05-06-2017 07:23PM

Interesting series of videos.

This part in particular is worth a watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBI1SlX_vv0

mikeybrennan · 05-06-2017 07:25PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

We're not seeing an upsurge. 2 major attacks in close proximity in the UK compared to none in the previous decade doesn't constitute an upsurge in terrorism.

How about address these facts:

From 1970-2004 between these terrorist organisations - IRA, UVF, Abu Nidal, Ustase, Black September, ETA, Nuclei Armati, Babbar Kalsa, Sicilian Mafia and Ustase - they combined to kill over 6,500 in Europe. In fact, from 1975 to 1985 that number was over 2,500 for the decade.

From 2004 to 2017, Islamic motivated terror in Europe has killed 987 people and in the past decade the number is 687 with well over half of those attacks happening in Turkey and Russia.

Stop trying to peddle this myth that Europe is under siege by terrorism. We are literally by every metric living in a more peaceful era when it comes to terrorism. The likes of the IRA, ETA, Ustase etc are gone.

Yes Radical Islamists are committing attacks and are a problem but people are constantly pushing some sort of narrative about a clash of civilizations and the problem of terrorism being at unprecedented levels in Europe.

It's not.
It isn't.

We're doing rather well Europe-wide.

I don't think that's totally true

I believe what we are seeing now is the start of a sustained upsurge in terrorist attacks

Stheno · 05-06-2017 07:28PM

Bambi wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/london-attack-named-3428198-Jun2017/

Wonder is this ***** wife still living in Ireland?

Im sure she's a wonderful person, asset to the community etc etc

She was arrested by the British police

Danzy · 05-06-2017 07:30PM

mikeybrennan wrote: »

I don't think that's totally true

I believe what we are seeing now is the start of a sustained upsurge in terrorist attacks

Best description I have seen is that is is now a low level insurgency rather than a terror campaign.

London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

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