Terrorism - What can be carried legally but used for self defence on the streets ?

Professor Moriarty · 05-06-2017 08:33PM

Just a note of caution for all the warriors on here. If you carry a weapon and don't know how to use it, then your assailant will take the weapon off you and use it on you.

An Ri rua · 05-06-2017 08:34PM

I always carry a shillelagh and a Fenix TK15 tactical torch when I walk the dog. A serious combination.
When Mr Dog is not walking me, I carry that TK15 everywhere. Strobe beam and bone-breaking potential. Plus it's a fist load.
But the ultimate everyday non-lethal below the radar weapon is the self-defence unbreakable umbrella. Yes, I have one. Learn the very basics of cane fighting or Irish bata and Bob's your uncle.
The OP mentioned a fire extinguisher as defensible in court. If you use an object as a weapon, it's a weapon, end of. You may, however, be safe. And that's more important. To most people.
But the idea of a tactical torch with a crenellated bezel or an unbreakable umbrella (don't get the knock-offs!!) is that it's below the radar until you decide that it's now a weapon. And then both are steel bar weapons.

Gravelly · 05-06-2017 08:34PM

Lyle Lanley wrote: »

And yet the attack happened in London. Ireland is fairly safe cause we don't bomb the **** out of the middle East

Neither do Sweden.

YFlyer · 05-06-2017 08:35PM

deandean wrote: »

A copy of the Koran.

Burn one

onto a CD.

Gravelly · 05-06-2017 08:35PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Just a note of caution for all the warriors on here. If you carry a weapon and don't know how to use it, then your assailant will take the weapon off you and use it on you.

If he's already hacking lumps out of you with a machete, it probably won't make it any worse if he gets hold of your Swiss army knife.

Professor Moriarty · 05-06-2017 08:37PM

Gravelly wrote: »

If he's already hacking lumps out of you with a machete, it probably won't make it any worse if he gets hold of your Swiss army knife.

True. My advice remains though.

CosmicSmash · 05-06-2017 08:37PM

4068ac1elhodqr · 05-06-2017 08:41PM

Extremely unlikely in Ire, probably more chance of a direct lightening strike.
Carrying any object that is considered a weapon inc sprays is a bad idea also, legally.

But if you travel to Sweden, Paris, Ldn etc, more self-awareness could be required.

There was some expert in the paper today giving some advice (he's selling his book). In summary he says if you need to (i.e. can’t escape and in an enclosed environment) then respond directly to a 'medieval event', in a similar matched or escalated ‘medieval style’.

i). Cafe: (perfect): Cup of hot coffee to face, then a raised char.
ii). Beer garden: (ideal): Large parasol/umbrella makes a good medieval lance.
iii). Restaurant: Basically throw everything that isn’t tied down, from cutlery to a large table (would require a few lads to throw at distance) but the bearded chaps would not be able to argue their case, with a 100kg lump of mahogany delivered through the air.

He didn’t say what to do if iv). on an open street with more fixed furniture.
Guess if you’re not down with Wing Chun, the 400m (flat shoe) sprint is a plan,
unless it's a wet day and you have a man's size umbrella (treble the reach).

The very worst thing to do is to stay low on the floor,
- if in line of sight of the attacker (in an enclosed space).

In summary, you can't carry anything (other than maybe a large umbrella) that can compete individually with such a similar event, but you can improvise the environment and create strength in numbers. Their quickest, weakest and easiest 'point of loss' would be sight, then walking and breathing abilities.

Pkiernan · 05-06-2017 08:42PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Just a note of caution for all the warriors on here. If you carry a weapon and don't know how to use it, then your assailant will take the weapon off you and use it on you.

One of the most repeated stupid arguments ever.

monkeysnapper · 05-06-2017 08:42PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Just a note of caution for all the warriors on here. If you carry a weapon and don't know how to use it, then your assailant will take the weapon off you and use it on you.

All I know is when I start swinging my long sock full of loose change and a few nails from doing that building job last week , I'd like to see the cuht stab me when his or her head is caved in .

Discodog · 05-06-2017 08:49PM

Hairspray & a lighter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sgam76tuBY

Strong Life in Dublin · 05-06-2017 08:57PM

Discodog wrote: »

This is legal & apparently according to the videos, very effective.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Farbgel-Personal-Defence-Security-Emergency/dp/B00O45OKZI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1496689751&sr=8-3&keywords=farb+gel+self+defence+spray

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKWGr0qUSKg

very effective? the auld lad in the video hardly reacted in the video, this spray is useless

worded · 05-06-2017 08:57PM

An Ri rua wrote: »

I always carry a shillelagh and a Fenix TK15 tactical torch when I walk the dog. A serious combination.
When Mr Dog is not walking me, I carry that TK15 everywhere. Strobe beam and bone-breaking potential. Plus it's a fist load.
But the ultimate everyday non-lethal below the radar weapon is the self-defence unbreakable umbrella. Yes, I have one. Learn the very basics of cane fighting or Irish bata and Bob's your uncle.
The OP mentioned a fire extinguisher as defensible in court. If you use an object as a weapon, it's a weapon, end of. You may, however, be safe. And that's more important. To most people.
But the idea of a tactical torch with a crenellated bezel or an unbreakable umbrella (don't get the knock-offs!!) is that it's below the radar until you decide that it's now a weapon. And then both are steel bar weapons.

Is that torch effective in day light ?

Harry Palmr · 05-06-2017 09:00PM

A box of tacks

Hairspray and a lighter

An Ri rua · 05-06-2017 09:20PM

Yes, a high lumen strobe is. Google tactical torch defence. Or look into a high lumen torch on a sunny day.

Plus it breaks bones day and night ...

refusetolose · 05-06-2017 09:23PM

pitch and putt clubs

Beyondgone · 05-06-2017 09:51PM

I've a few tough mates. The consensus among them is you can fight someone with anything, except a machete. If he has a machete, you run. You're not winning against a machete. Unless you have a gun or a baseball bat. And I can tell you from first hand experience, the Authorities frown on people having baseball bats. Even in the boot of your car. Especially in the boot of your car. So either get a Glock or a baseball bat. Or run. Seeing as the first two are frowned on, running seems to be the only option left. Waggling yer torch will get your hand cut off. Pretty much.

I'm a keen gardener and use my machete for trimming the roses. I keep it under my bed to stop it from rusting as the shed is too damp and corrodes the edge. I slip it in between the mattress and the base, with the handle just at the right spot to fall to hand if I drop my arm from a normal sleeping position. Just in case I need to go prune the roses in the dark. You can never know when them roses might need a quick trim.

05-06-2017 09:56PM

worded wrote: »

Laughing here

Not so funny when you find out you have to supply your own doorknobs though

Autochange · 05-06-2017 09:58PM

Bring a couple of travelers with you. They are above the law in Ireland
Or
A 36 inch Hurl with a rusty band

Widdershins · 05-06-2017 09:58PM

Beyondgone wrote: »

I've a few tough mates. The consensus among them is you can fight someone with anything, except a machete. If he has a machete, you run. You're not winning against a machete. Unless you have a gun or a baseball bat. And I can tell you from first hand experience, the Authorities frown on people having baseball bats. Even in the boot of your car. Especially in the boot of your car. So either get a Glock or a baseball bat. Or run. Seeing as the first two are frowned on, running seems to be the only option left. Waggling yer torch will get your hand cut off. Pretty much.

I'm a keen gardener and use my machete for trimming the roses. I keep it under my bed to stop it from rusting as the shed is too damp and corrodes the edge. I slip it in between the mattress and the base, with the handle just at the right spot to fall to hand if I drop my arm from a normal sleeping position. Just in case I need to go prune the roses in the dark. You can never know when them roses might need a quick trim.

I too am a keen gardener. I understand completely what you mean about gardener's tools. Another of my interests is historical reenactment. Archery in particular.

Beyondgone · 05-06-2017 10:05PM

Widdershins wrote: »

I too am a keen gardener. I understand completely what you mean about gardener's tools. Another of my interests is historical reenactment. Archery in particular.

Archery is such a technical sport though. All that "notching, drawing, fiddling with strings etc etc". Sounds slow. You'd probably need to be wide awake and stuff..and you'd look a right plum walking down the street with a longbow in your back pocket. Not to mention the quivver. Sure the local kids would be breaking their holes. I bring my "Run!" with me everywhere. I keep it in my front pocket, just beside my balls. I have a quick think and decide which to go for - the balls or the run. Usually, the run is more sensible, but I have occasionally picked the wrong one. Perils of keeping them so close together I suppose. Mistakes will happen.

tabby aspreme · 05-06-2017 10:05PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

A box of tacks

Hairspray and a lighter

Etch primer would be better than hairspray

sjb25 · 05-06-2017 10:08PM

Ah

marketty · 05-06-2017 10:09PM

'I soak me hands in peterdil every day for 20 minutes, make them hard like stones, cut ya open boy. I'll say no more now, don't want to be giving away all me secrets to the young lads coming up'
-Big Joe Joyce, King of the Travellers, ISIS basher, and Boss of All Min

BorneTobyWilde · 05-06-2017 10:09PM

Discodog wrote: »

This is legal & apparently according to the videos, very effective.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Farbgel-Personal-Defence-Security-Emergency/dp/B00O45OKZI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1496689751&sr=8-3&keywords=farb+gel+self+defence+spray

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKWGr0qUSKg

And what if wind is blowing back onto you, that would make it easy for them to kill a blinded person.

scopper · 05-06-2017 10:09PM

If you are trying to arm yourself against this kind of attack it's a waste of time. Their weapons are trucks and machetes. The former, well, what ya gonna do? The latter, the advice is always to run. If you are too close you really just have to hope you can wrestle it off them and don't get too cut up in the process.

The best you can do in this society is maybe keep fit and maybe learn some basic fight moves.

Good luck kids, the times just got interesting.

Beyondgone · 05-06-2017 10:14PM

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Etch primer would be better than hairspray

Indeed. Hawld on while I shake me can of primer, get me lighter, sort the two into the right way so I don't set me on fire/the lad off to the left/right and don't you dare stand back more than 3' swinging that machete that gives you a 6' reach.. come here into the ickle flame...

You'd have gottten the good news already, sorry to say. That and carrying a feckin can of primer in your pocket would get dull. You'd be better off chucking the can at them anyway. By "better off" I mean just as fcuked.

I think carrying "Run!" with you is the best option. You don't even need premium "Run!" - you just need a slightly better brand of "Run!" than the people around you. It's like two lads running away from a bear. I don't need to run faster than the bear, I just need to run faster than you.

Widdershins · 05-06-2017 10:15PM

Beyondgone wrote: »

Archery is such a technical sport though. All that "notching, drawing, fiddling with strings etc etc". Sounds slow. You'd probably need to be wide awake and stuff..and you'd look a right plum walking down the street with a longbow in your back pocket. Not to mention the quivver. Sure the local kids would be breaking their holes. I bring my "Run!" with me everywhere. I keep it in my front pocket, just beside my balls. I have a quick think and decide which to go for - the balls or the run. Usually, the run is more sensible, but I have occasionally picked the wrong one. Perils of keeping them so close together I suppose. Mistakes will happen.

You need room for it; it's not a hobby you'd practice in an enclosed space. I plan to expand my list of hobbies this year.

Gravelly · 05-06-2017 10:18PM

marketty wrote: »

'I soak me hands in peterdil every day for 20 minutes, make them hard like stones, cut ya open boy. I'll say no more now, don't want to be giving away all me secrets to the young lads coming up'
-Big Joe Joyce, King of the Travellers, ISIS basher, and Boss of All Min

If I ever need to fight him, I'll just whip out the 'oul Zippo - I'd say he'd go up like, well, like a man who's been soaked in petrol every day......

Widdershins · 05-06-2017 10:22PM

Beyondgone wrote: »

Indeed. Hawld on while I shake me can of primer, get me lighter, sort the two into the right way so I don't set me on fire/the lad off to the left/right and don't you dare stand back more than 3' swinging that machete that gives you a 6' reach.. come here into the ickle flame...

You'd have gottten the good news already, sorry to say. That and carrying a feckin can of primer in your pocket would get dull. You'd be better off chucking the can at them anyway. By "better off" I mean just as fcuked.

I think carrying "Run!" with you is the best option. You don't even need premium "Run!" - you just need a slightly better brand of "Run!" than the people around you. It's like two lads running away from a bear. I don't need to run faster than the bear, I just need to run faster than you.

Ruthless. You might as well stick your leg out and do it right if you're going down that route.

Terrorism - What can be carried legally but used for self defence on the streets ?

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