Terrorism - What can be carried legally but used for self defence on the streets ?

worded

I asked this question before about self defence in the home during a burglary and the best answer was a fire extinguisher. Keeps you at a distance from the burgular, is unexpected so it shocks the person, is non lethal and if the intruder continues up the stairs towards you it can be thrown at them.

If it goes to court it's a perfectly acceptable house hold item to defend your self with.

I was in a house that was burgualed at night twice as a teen ager and I wanted to know what to do next time. I thought that was a great idea. Thankfully the house was never burgulared again. But I was calmer having a plan if there was a repeat.

So what about a terrorist attack where you are confronted with a knife or someone beside you is being stabbed and you want to help them.

What everyday item can be carried with you to protect you from a zombie?

The police say Run/hide/tell

What if you are cornered?

I would feel a whole lot better having some weapon that I would only use in self defence or to save another person life if I could

What's legal? What's good advice?

It's not always possible or advisable to run from lunatics or muggers, some times it's better to stand your ground and fight

And no I don't want to carry a Hurley stick with me everywhere!

Trond

I carry my Catholic shame

Car99

A 3 D cell Maglite torch , you could deal a right blow with one of them.

Roger Hassenforder

a sharp tongued wife
lethal when cornered

AndyBoBandy

A Northern Irish accent

scudzilla

Car99 wrote: »

A 3 D cell Maglite torch , you could deal a right blow with one of them.

Got one of them in the car and gaff, cracking pieces of equipment, heavy as anything, dazzle them with the super bright beam them knock the crap out of their skull

Discodog

scudzilla wrote: »

Got one of them in the car and gaff, cracking pieces of equipment, heavy as anything, dazzle them with the super bright beam them knock the crap out of their skull

Nah that's for wimps. The 6 D is much better :pac:

Richard Hillman

A sack of doorknobs

Boaty

A pool cue

Lady is a tramp

A wooden spoon. Those terrorists won't know wot him em!

Discodog

This is legal & apparently according to the videos, very effective.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Farbgel-Personal-Defence-Security-Emergency/dp/B00O45OKZI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1496689751&sr=8-3&keywords=farb+gel+self+defence+spray

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKWGr0qUSKg

BrokenArrows

The girly option is pepper spray. Probably the best, light weight option anyway.

Also don't worry about it, terrorism is unlike to occur in Ireland and even more unlikely to happen to you.

You could also carry a bag of fake blood. If something happens you can just pretend you're already dead.

bear1

Cracking opening post.
Has zombies, self defence and terrorism.
I think the answer to all 3 is ****ing leg it.

Skatedude

Naked grandma

Atoms for Peace

A bag of cats

Discodog

BrokenArrows wrote: »

The girly option is pepper spray. Probably the best, light weight option anyway.

Also don't worry about it, terrorism is unlike to occur in Ireland and even more unlikely to happen to you.

You could also carry a bag of fake blood. If something happens you can just pretend you're already dead.

I agree but one of the London attackers lived in Rathmines

I think that pepper spray is illegal

worded

Richard Hillman wrote: »

A sack of doorknobs

Laughing here

deandean

A copy of the Koran.

dashoonage

hold a vigil, them boys seem scared ****less of the things.....sure look at all the attacks vigil's are preventing in the..............actually never mind.

cajonlardo

An Attack Pig

Gravelly

BrokenArrows wrote: »

The girly option is pepper spray. Probably the best, light weight option anyway.

Also don't worry about it, terrorism is unlike to occur in Ireland and even more unlikely to happen to you.

You could also carry a bag of fake blood. If something happens you can just pretend you're already dead.

Unlikely to happen to you true, unlikely to occur in Ireland, most certainly not true - we're on borrowed time, there will be an islamic attack in Ireland within a couple of years. Sweden thought they were safe too. The only countries that won't be attacked in the short to medium term are those whose Muslim populations are too small to support, hide, and encourage islamic extremism, and we don't fit into that bracket any more.

On the weapon to carry, if you are being attacked with a machete or other long-bladed implement, then you will need something of at least equal reach to hold them off - a hurley, slashook, sword or the like. Watch videos of travellers fighting at weddings and funerals - they make excellent defensive use of long-bladed implements - you rarely hear of them being killed or seriously injured despite the violence of these fights, due to being able to hold one another at distance.

worded

Those heavy glass ash trays in pubs were good weapons in a pub but the smoking ban has removed them all.

Perhaps i need to watch train spotting 1 for some good tips on fighting in a bar if cornered

Beanntraigheach

A shillelagh
They were lethal things - the knob was generally hollowed out and filled with molten lead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shillelagh_(club)

monkeysnapper

Let's say you were going to purchase an item and all you had on you was loose change . but you didn't have a wallet .

You could use a old sock to store that change .

Atoms for Peace

A copy of the times for the discerning street ruffian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7dL2U7Ub2I

listermint

A good pair of Asics.

Shenshen

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

A Northern Irish accent

Yeah, but is that really legal?

Ultimate Seduction

A fone. You can immediately go on to Facebook and #PrayForIreland. It seems to work

DontThankMe

A pitchfork

conditioned games

Skull and Bones ring. Tell them your part of the New World Order circle and your one of their controller's.

Lyle Lanley

Discodog wrote: »

I agree but one of the London attackers lived in Rathmines

I think that pepper spray is illegal

And yet the attack happened in London. Ireland is fairly safe cause we don't bomb the **** out of the middle East

Professor Moriarty

Just a note of caution for all the warriors on here. If you carry a weapon and don't know how to use it, then your assailant will take the weapon off you and use it on you.

An Ri rua

I always carry a shillelagh and a Fenix TK15 tactical torch when I walk the dog. A serious combination.
When Mr Dog is not walking me, I carry that TK15 everywhere. Strobe beam and bone-breaking potential. Plus it's a fist load.
But the ultimate everyday non-lethal below the radar weapon is the self-defence unbreakable umbrella. Yes, I have one. Learn the very basics of cane fighting or Irish bata and Bob's your uncle.
The OP mentioned a fire extinguisher as defensible in court. If you use an object as a weapon, it's a weapon, end of. You may, however, be safe. And that's more important. To most people.
But the idea of a tactical torch with a crenellated bezel or an unbreakable umbrella (don't get the knock-offs!!) is that it's below the radar until you decide that it's now a weapon. And then both are steel bar weapons.

Gravelly

Lyle Lanley wrote: »

And yet the attack happened in London. Ireland is fairly safe cause we don't bomb the **** out of the middle East

Neither do Sweden.

YFlyer

deandean wrote: »

A copy of the Koran.

Burn one













onto a CD.

Gravelly

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Just a note of caution for all the warriors on here. If you carry a weapon and don't know how to use it, then your assailant will take the weapon off you and use it on you.

If he's already hacking lumps out of you with a machete, it probably won't make it any worse if he gets hold of your Swiss army knife.

Professor Moriarty

Gravelly wrote: »

If he's already hacking lumps out of you with a machete, it probably won't make it any worse if he gets hold of your Swiss army knife.

True. My advice remains though.

CosmicSmash

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Extremely unlikely in Ire, probably more chance of a direct lightening strike.
Carrying any object that is considered a weapon inc sprays is a bad idea also, legally.

But if you travel to Sweden, Paris, Ldn etc, more self-awareness could be required.

There was some expert in the paper today giving some advice (he's selling his book). In summary he says if you need to (i.e. can’t escape and in an enclosed environment) then respond directly to a 'medieval event', in a similar matched or escalated ‘medieval style’.

i). Cafe: (perfect): Cup of hot coffee to face, then a raised char.
ii). Beer garden: (ideal): Large parasol/umbrella makes a good medieval lance.
iii). Restaurant: Basically throw everything that isn’t tied down, from cutlery to a large table (would require a few lads to throw at distance) but the bearded chaps would not be able to argue their case, with a 100kg lump of mahogany delivered through the air.

He didn’t say what to do if iv). on an open street with more fixed furniture.
Guess if you’re not down with Wing Chun, the 400m (flat shoe) sprint is a plan,
unless it's a wet day and you have a man's size umbrella (treble the reach).

The very worst thing to do is to stay low on the floor,
- if in line of sight of the attacker (in an enclosed space).

In summary, you can't carry anything (other than maybe a large umbrella) that can compete individually with such a similar event, but you can improvise the environment and create strength in numbers. Their quickest, weakest and easiest 'point of loss' would be sight, then walking and breathing abilities.

Pkiernan

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Just a note of caution for all the warriors on here. If you carry a weapon and don't know how to use it, then your assailant will take the weapon off you and use it on you.

One of the most repeated stupid arguments ever.

monkeysnapper

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Just a note of caution for all the warriors on here. If you carry a weapon and don't know how to use it, then your assailant will take the weapon off you and use it on you.

All I know is when I start swinging my long sock full of loose change and a few nails from doing that building job last week , I'd like to see the cuht stab me when his or her head is caved in .

Discodog

Hairspray & a lighter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sgam76tuBY

Strong Life in Dublin

Discodog wrote: »

This is legal & apparently according to the videos, very effective.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Farbgel-Personal-Defence-Security-Emergency/dp/B00O45OKZI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1496689751&sr=8-3&keywords=farb+gel+self+defence+spray

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKWGr0qUSKg

very effective? the auld lad in the video hardly reacted in the video, this spray is useless

worded

An Ri rua wrote: »

I always carry a shillelagh and a Fenix TK15 tactical torch when I walk the dog. A serious combination.
When Mr Dog is not walking me, I carry that TK15 everywhere. Strobe beam and bone-breaking potential. Plus it's a fist load.
But the ultimate everyday non-lethal below the radar weapon is the self-defence unbreakable umbrella. Yes, I have one. Learn the very basics of cane fighting or Irish bata and Bob's your uncle.
The OP mentioned a fire extinguisher as defensible in court. If you use an object as a weapon, it's a weapon, end of. You may, however, be safe. And that's more important. To most people.
But the idea of a tactical torch with a crenellated bezel or an unbreakable umbrella (don't get the knock-offs!!) is that it's below the radar until you decide that it's now a weapon. And then both are steel bar weapons.

Is that torch effective in day light ?

Harry Palmr

A box of tacks

Hairspray and a lighter

An Ri rua

Yes, a high lumen strobe is. Google tactical torch defence. Or look into a high lumen torch on a sunny day.

Plus it breaks bones day and night ...

refusetolose

pitch and putt clubs

Beyondgone

I've a few tough mates. The consensus among them is you can fight someone with anything, except a machete. If he has a machete, you run. You're not winning against a machete. Unless you have a gun or a baseball bat. And I can tell you from first hand experience, the Authorities frown on people having baseball bats. Even in the boot of your car. Especially in the boot of your car. So either get a Glock or a baseball bat. Or run. Seeing as the first two are frowned on, running seems to be the only option left. Waggling yer torch will get your hand cut off. Pretty much.

I'm a keen gardener and use my machete for trimming the roses. I keep it under my bed to stop it from rusting as the shed is too damp and corrodes the edge. I slip it in between the mattress and the base, with the handle just at the right spot to fall to hand if I drop my arm from a normal sleeping position. Just in case I need to go prune the roses in the dark. You can never know when them roses might need a quick trim.

worded

worded wrote: »

Laughing here

Not so funny when you find out you have to supply your own doorknobs though

Autochange

Bring a couple of travelers with you. They are above the law in Ireland
Or
A 36 inch Hurl with a rusty band

Widdershins

Beyondgone wrote: »

I've a few tough mates. The consensus among them is you can fight someone with anything, except a machete. If he has a machete, you run. You're not winning against a machete. Unless you have a gun or a baseball bat. And I can tell you from first hand experience, the Authorities frown on people having baseball bats. Even in the boot of your car. Especially in the boot of your car. So either get a Glock or a baseball bat. Or run. Seeing as the first two are frowned on, running seems to be the only option left. Waggling yer torch will get your hand cut off. Pretty much.

I'm a keen gardener and use my machete for trimming the roses. I keep it under my bed to stop it from rusting as the shed is too damp and corrodes the edge. I slip it in between the mattress and the base, with the handle just at the right spot to fall to hand if I drop my arm from a normal sleeping position. Just in case I need to go prune the roses in the dark. You can never know when them roses might need a quick trim.

I too am a keen gardener. I understand completely what you mean about gardener's tools. Another of my interests is historical reenactment. Archery in particular.