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Woman killed by two bull mastiffs in Galway

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  • #332
    njs030
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭njs030


    MadDog76 wrote: »

    There's no point in having a serious adult debate about dogs with people who choose to ignore historical facts.

    Historical facts?
    Here's some history-the very first dog claimed to be a blood thirsty human killer was the bloodhound.

    Funny how it's always the dog, and when its proven not to be that dog humans move onto the next.


  • #333
    TerrorFirmer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    notjustsweet wrote: »

    The reason the attacks like yesterday make the news is because they are rare, small terriers attacking childrens faces are so common it's not reported.
    Where's your indignation and demands for owner control about that??

    Strange argument. Firstly, No-one said anyone it's acceptable for any dog to bite anyone regardless of size or breed.

    Secondly, the reason the story made news headlines around the world was because a woman was mauled to death - not just that she was attacked. :confused:

    If a pair of westies managed the same feat it would also inevitably be world news.

    Dogs simply biting or nipping people happens every day - from the smallest terriers to the largest breeds.

    An aggressive West Highland, Cairn, King Charles or similar type of dog may be dangerous but it's not life-threatening in the same way that a large breed is.

    That is just a simple fact, not sure how anyone could attempt to argue around that.


  • #334
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    notjustsweet wrote: »
    Why do you think that it's acceptable for people to not have a westie under control and properly trained?
    It troubles me that people make that argument.

    The reason the attacks like yesterday make the news is because they are rare, small terriers attacking childrens faces are so common it's not reported.
    Where's your indignation and demands for owner control about that??

    Please point to where I said it's acceptable to not have a Westie under control?
    I said I'd prefer my chances against a Westie.
    Most dogs will bite- not all dogs will kill, because not all dogs can kill. It's as simple as that.


  • #335
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,127 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    anna080 wrote: »
    Yes people train dogs to guard and protect and some owners are crap. But to deny a dogs natural and instinctual urge and excuse their natural response to threat is barmy. Dogs aren't toys who only come to life through training and instruction. They're animals with animalistic nature and have instinctual urges and responses that are natural adaptive reactions.

    Then we have to ban all dogs & ignore the benefits of keeping them.


  • #336
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,774 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Discodog wrote: »
    Then we have to ban all dogs & ignore the benefits of keeping them.

    Yes we can't impinge on your enjoyment of all dogs breeds, a few human fatalities once in a while are just collateral damage.


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  • #337
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    notjustsweet wrote: »
    Historical facts?
    Here's some history-the very first dog claimed to be a blood thirsty human killer was the bloodhound.

    Funny how it's always the dog, and when its proven not to be that dog humans move onto the next.

    Here's another fact .......... BloodHounds have never killed a person here in Ireland, a woman was killed in Galway by two Restricted Breed dogs ........ I'm a big fan of the ol' facts ya know.


  • #338
    borderlinemeath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,373 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Apologies Samaris was much more engaging.

    You mean he massaged your ego by half agreeing with one of your points?
    He backed up my assertion on a Swiss style of dog ownership which I had posted previously, but you chose to ignore when I wrote it, yet you agreed with him when he repeated it;)

    At the end of the day, everybody wants a safer system in place for dog ownership. As pointed out by Deadlybuzzman, if it's not going to be pit bulls, next year it'll be a different breed in the news. Possibly something like a Thai Ridgeback - not on any list, but a powerful breed gaining notoriety. So focusing on one breed and trying for an all out ban - which, for the 3rd time I'll point out has failed in the UK - won't work. Focus on the owners - licence them - test them for ownership - if they fail - no dog. If they are caught with a dog - seize it - no comeback. If they are caught with a dog that is licenced to somebody else - seize it - no comeback - for them or the "registered person" and penalise the person who let them control a dog by banning them from owning any breed for a length of time too.

    I mention the final point because a couple of cases in the UK in the past couple of years, people have tried to get out of the charges of "being in charge of an uncontrolled dangerous dog" by saying it wasn't theirs, a bit like loopholes getting caught for speeding (it wasn't me driving it garda, it was my cousin who lives in America, just home for the holliers)


  • #339
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,127 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Yes we can't impinge on your enjoyment of all dogs breeds, a few human fatalities once in a while are just collateral damage.

    If you ban Mastiffs then people will get the next "feared" breed. This is what has happened in the UK & why they are going to stop banning breeds & start prosecuting irresponsible owners.

    But I should add that, as we don't know what actually happened, we can't say why this attack took place.


  • #340
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Discodog wrote: »
    Chihuahuas aren't very scary


    True, but a St Bernard has a bite force similar to a Rottweiler (so has a Newf).......bite force being a function of skull size......and the St Bernard is also stronger than an African Wild Dog......it's quite capable of dragging a 200lb person, or flooring them.....so why do you think when a SEAL team hops out of a helicopter they don't have one with them? And go for other breeds that lack the St Bernard's physical strength?


  • #341
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,127 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Jawgap wrote: »
    True, but a St Bernard has a bite force similar to a Rottweiler (so has a Newf).......bite force being a function of skull size......and the St Bernard is also stronger than an African Wild Dog......it's quite capable of dragging a 200lb person, or flooring them.....so why do you think when a SEAL team hops out of a helicopter they don't have one with them? And go for other breeds that lack the St Bernard's physical strength?

    Because they are huge, slow & slobber an awful lot :pac:

    By the way there was a case of a child being killed by a Saint Bernard.
    Oh & my friend has newfie that they can never let off lead because he would kill another dog.


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  • #342
    borderlinemeath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,373 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Yes we can't impinge on your enjoyment of all dogs breeds, a few human fatalities once in a while are just collateral damage.

    So we should all be vegetarian because of the (far more) human fatalities caused by livestock?


  • #343
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,127 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    borderlinemeath wrote: »
    So we should all be vegetarian because of the (far more) human fatalities caused by livestock?

    And ignore the proven fact that dog ownership is hugely beneficial to humans.


  • #344
    borderlinemeath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,373 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    Discodog wrote: »
    Because they are huge, slow & slobber an awful lot :pac:

    By the way there was a case of a child being killed by a Saint Bernard.
    Oh & my friend has newfie that they can never let off lead because he would kill another dog.

    My eldest setter was charged at by a newfie. She still hates them to this day.

    And at a fun dog show she was in the ring with one, who was beside a bull mastiff. As the dogs were being led out of the ring the newfie and bull mastiff went for each other, knocking people flying in the process.


  • #345
    MadDog76
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    Discodog wrote: »
    Because they are huge, slow & slobber an awful lot :pac:

    By the way there was a case of a child being killed by a Saint Bernard.
    Oh & my friend has newfie that they can never let off lead because he would kill another dog.

    You have a lot of "friends", surprisingly .........


  • #346
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,945 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    borderlinemeath wrote: »
    So we should all be vegetarian because of the (far more) human fatalities caused by livestock?

    How dare you speak sense.

    I've noticed a trend where seemingly people with larger dogs are all for getting owners trained properly on how to handle them and prosecution brought in to deal with the owners rather than the dogs.

    And everyone else saying they're not pets, savage beasts, should be banned etc.


  • #347
    lilydonoghue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭lilydonoghue


    I blame the owners, always


  • #348
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,127 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    You have a lot of "friends", surprisingly .........

    Yes. There are more than a few people who love me :D

    By the way, you & others, love your bite statistics. It's interesting that most on the US list aren't restricted here.
    And some of our restricted breeds aren't on the list.

    Did you write it ?


  • #349
    njs030
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Here's another fact .......... BloodHounds have never killed a person here in Ireland, a woman was killed in Galway by two Restricted Breed dogs ........ I'm a big fan of the ol' facts ya know.

    I don't think you are TBH.


  • #350
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Discodog wrote: »
    Because they are huge, slow & slobber an awful lot :pac:

    By the way there was a case of a child being killed by a Saint Bernard.

    That is indeed true, and when I meet fellow Newf owners the discussion is inevitably about drool and how to clean it up (as well as 1001 things to do with a tonne of dog hair).....likewise when I meet other dog owners there's no discussion on Newfs in the news.

    Incidentally, if you think a dog like a St Bernard that is bred for Alpine rescue in deep snow lacks the power, speed and stamina to run someone to ground, then you don't know much about the breed. Likewise a Dalmatian would run anyone into the ground, not much use to the military though given their temperament.


  • #351
    Discodog
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    notjustsweet wrote: »
    I don't think you are TBH.

    Oh you should read some other threads. He used to breed Pit Bulls


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  • #352
    borderlinemeath
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    You have a lot of "friends", surprisingly .........

    Didn't take you long to start resorting to the personal digs I see....


  • #353
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,127 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    borderlinemeath wrote: »
    Didn't take you long to start resorting to the personal digs I see....

    Awwww let him have his fun :pac:


  • #354
    njs030
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭njs030


    borderlinemeath wrote: »
    My eldest setter was charged at by a newfie. She still hates them to this day.

    And at a fun dog show she was in the ring with one, who was beside a bull mastiff. As the dogs were being led out of the ring the newfie and bull mastiff went for each other, knocking people flying in the process.

    My lab/rottie is scared of small white dogs :D


  • #355
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    borderlinemeath wrote: »
    Didn't take you long to start resorting to the personal digs I see....

    I believe Mister Disco started that off my dear. :)


  • #356
    njs030
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭njs030


    Discodog wrote: »
    Oh you should read some other threads. He used to breed Pit Bulls

    Oh well clearly he's an expert and we should bow to his superior knowledge.

    I don't have roll eyes on the touch app sadly...


  • #357
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Discodog wrote: »
    Because they are huge, slow & slobber an awful lot :pac:

    By the way there was a case of a child being killed by a Saint Bernard.
    Oh & my friend has newfie that they can never let off lead because he would kill another dog.

    Interesting......I googled "newf kills other dog" and yes there was a story.......from 2007, so I dont dispute your friend......the interesting thing is that despite specifying "newf" certain hits came in ahead of it.......

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  • #358
    MadDog76
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    Discodog wrote: »
    Oh you should read some other threads. He used to breed Pit Bulls

    Indeed I did .......... I know these dogs far better than you could ever comprehend .......... in fact, it's people like you that I found most disturbing when involved with dogs and their owners.


  • #359
    Noveight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭Noveight


    Couldn't think of many worse ways to go than being mauled by dogs. Such a tragic and avoidable death.


  • #360
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,127 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Indeed I did .......... I know these dogs far better than you could ever comprehend .......... in fact, it's people like you that I found most disturbing when involved with dogs and their owners.

    That's why you used to supply them to undesirables & earned the name Mad Dog & then boasted about it on Boards.

    And you find me disturbing :pac:


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  • #361
    njs030
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭njs030


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Indeed I did .......... I know these dogs far better than you could ever comprehend .......... in fact, it's people like you that I found most disturbing when involved with dogs and their owners.

    Why would you breed a dog when hundreds of them are in rescue and being pts?

    My mind can't comprehend why anyone who cares about the breed would bring more of them into the world rather than helping the ones that are already here. Money?

    Let's just say I won't be taking on board any more of your opinions.


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