London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

jmayo wrote: »

No one says it is all Muslims, well apart from those making excuses and blaming the West.

But there are issues with muslim communities throughout the world, and most particularly when they start growing above a small number.
Muslims are removing themselves from the secular societies in which they exist more and more over the last number of years.

There are more calls for special treatment,a la calls for sharia law, schooling, segregation of sexes, etc.
Dr Ali Selim did us all a favour when he told us what he envisages for the future here in Ireland.
Only an arrogant willful fool will ignore that prescient warning.

They might be only a tiny percentage of actual jihadists in Muslim communities, but they don't operate in a vacuum and there is often tacit support for their goals.
See the protests concerning cartoons about the prophet.

The big issue in my opinion is Wahhabism and the spread of an ultra right wing version of Islam, all being done with the financial clout of the Gulf States and Saudi Arabia.
What is worse is that Western states are turning a blind eye because of that financial clout.

One thing that sickens me is the continous refrain from USA and it allies lambasting Iran, Syria, etc for state sponsored terror when the whole time the greatest threat is from the likes of Saudi, Qatar and it is being ignored.

People will say not all muslims are terrorists so lets let in these "refugees".
Problem with that is even if only 0.5% are jihadists look at the carnage they can create.
Another problem is the background, lack of education, lack of secular ideals and backward mindset of some of the new arrivals.
And now imagine what their kids are going to be like, and imagine what a sizable muslim population primarily made up of guys with such backward mindsets will be like in say 30 years time.

We now sit and wait,as the UK Government belatedly realizes that the tolerant,understanding approach to radical Islam has not,and cannot,work.

The easy-going Liberal attitude to the spread of Radicalization,springs from a basic misunderstanding of the manner in which Islam inserts itself into the entire Life path of it's adherents.

Up to this,the UK and ourselves,had operated under the assumption that Islam,at the end of the day,was "just another religion"...with it's stricter adherents being regarded a bit like the Jehovah's or Mormons,who occasionally knocked on our doors in their earnest attempts to interest us in Religiousy stuff.

Older Catholics may remember the "Missioners",who arrived to Parishes every year or so,to deliver fire n' brimstone sermons,and instill a bit of backbone into both parishoners and local Clergy alike....this was about as "radical" as our Christianity ever became,with the Protestants also allowed a bit of honourable mention,for stuff like Sunday School or scripture sessions....all regarded as well OTT by the vast majority of regular followers...such as most of us are/were.

None of the Christian churches today come even close to approaching,what being even a middling,follower of Islam entails,in terms of adherence to the true teachings of the Prophet,and the requirements placed upon ALL faithful to maintain that adherence.

Most of us,and that includes our Political Leadership,continue to percieve Islam as just another Religion,with it's stuff done on a Friday,and it's adherents then free to rave through the rest of the week,without any further regard to what is preached on it's pulpits...

At this juncture,we in Ireland have recieved all of the warnings we are going to get.

Only a few,proffess themselves to be concerned,with most continuing to believe that "We're different" and that our Christianity is regarded as less of a problem than other examples of "Crusader" beliefs throughout the non-Muslim World.

Our Supreme Court,for example,is currently adrift upon a sea of whatiffery,as it supposedly attempts to put some form of reason upon,a long running campaign of lies and avoidance by a convicted terrorist....

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/supreme-court/deportation-of-man-allegedly-linked-to-islamic-terror-halted-1.3031212

I doubt very much that any of the SC's Judicial Members would deign to see a link between the London,Manchester,Brussels & Paris attackers,but for a great many less exalted persons,those links are all too clear.

It will remain as it is...until our turn to be the sitting-duck comes around.

neverever1 wrote: »

I'm saying it's the root cause, there's other reasons but not as significant as the bombing campaigns.

You're not even making sense here? Bombing campaigns are the root cause, yet it just so happens that people of other denominations are not blowing up kids at concerts and cutting throats in london?

Anyone who isnt muslim who has even vague ties to the region.

neverever1 wrote: »

In 1920, Muslims actually fought together to try to free themselves from British rule. Of course Britain couldn't have this so they flattened the place.

I already pointed out that this is hyperbolic. they didn't "Flatten the place" nor could they have if they wanted to. I guess I'll add "bombed the sh1t out off.." and "flattened the place" to your litany of wild exaggerations that add nothing to your argument.
Note also that, as you mentioned, Shia fought with Sunnis during the revolt, but they don't seem to hold that much of a grudge.

neverever1 wrote: »

Okay, maybe flatten the place is too extreme but they weren't friendly bombs and they've managed to flatten the place in future en devours.

they never came near flattening the place.
Let me illustrate.

This is what a flattened place looks like.

neverever1 wrote: »

Yes bombed the sh1t. I said bombing campaigns, as in the plural of bombing campaign. A long history of this has created the absolute nutjobs we now see in Isis etc.

Islamic "nutjobs" long predate the bombing campaigns you repeatedly focus upon.

The issue for true believers,has nothing whatever to do with Bombing Campaigns,but everything to do with fighting to convert the Crusader States to the true belief.

Those that refuse to accept the Will of the Prophet,are therefore bound to be punished,or erased from the World.

The reality of Religious Nutjobs,has only recently been recognised by ourselves,but Islam's crazy beardies,have learned from Christianity's mistakes,and acted to make it MUCH more difficult for the middle ground Muslim to have any direct input into their Religion.

Ordinary decent Muslims have FAR more to fear from the "Nutjobs" you see as Western Inspired,but sadly,I suspect you won't support the actions now required to save them from their own....

neverever1 wrote: »

In 1920, Muslims actually fought together to try to free themselves from British rule. Of course Britain couldn't have this so they flattened the place.

So this is the starting point for you. When Sunni and Shia stopped attacking each other for a 5 month period to attack the British rule and after surrendering went back to attacking each other.

Would not say 500 years of Crusades from Europe against the Ottoman Empire have anything to do with such matters?

neverever1 wrote: »

I'm embarrassed for you.

Your lack of knowledge is embarrassing you I know. Have you never heard of the First World War or the Mesopotamian campaign? Obviously not. Your lack of understanding is staggering but in fairness your sticking with your absolute lack of knowledge. So tell us about the "flattening" of Baghdad in 1920 - or is that more made hyperbole??