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London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

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  • #2192
    ilkhanid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    neverever1 wrote: »
    It's because of 'their people' being killed in their thousands, this is the root cause.

    their people? Once again I'm sick belabouring this obvious point. The guy angered by Syria was a Libyan. The murderers of Lee Rigby were Nigerian. Again and again we see people murdering "on behalf" of people they have nothing in common with. They don't speak the language. They are'nt the same colour. Their culture is different. They're just Muslims.
    neverever1 wrote: »
    Isis didn't exist until long after the bombing campaigns. I.E. the bombing campaigns are the root cause.

    I thought it was events a century ago. Al Qaeda and the GIA and the Muslim Brotherhood and Al-jamāʻah al-islāmīyah existed long before the bombing campaign, and IS were'nt interested in the bombings but in killing Shias.
    neverever1 wrote: »
    They are Muslims. Why do people continue to ask the same questions over and over?

    And you accept that as natural? Orthodox Christians didn't murder pedestrians because NATO bombed Serbia. Japanese-Americans (despite much US government provocations) stayed loyal to the USA during the war against Japan.


  • #2193
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Widdershins wrote: »
    Unless we're reading two different threads here, you've been repeatedly and patiently answered.

    Not true, people are avoiding the discussion of British/American bombing campaigns.


  • #2194
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Didn't the Russian's bomb and even occupy Afghanistan for nine years?

    Why aren't they been attacked in revenge?

    And oh ya about two million Afghan civilians were killed, you'd think ISIS would be furious.

    Am, I think you'll find they have been attacked.


  • #2195
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    ilkhanid wrote: »
    their people? Once again I'm sick belabouring this obvious point. The guy angered by Syria was a Libyan. The murderers of Lee Rigby were Nigerian.
    Again and again we see people murdering "on behalf" of people they have nothing in common with. They don't speak the language. They are'nt the same colour. Their culture is different. They're just Muslims.

    Yes, 'their people' are the thousands of Muslims slaughtered.


  • #2196
    Bushmanpm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Bushmanpm


    neverever1 wrote:
    Can't answer the question?

    No, I'm just bored to tears with your ignoring all the answers you were given and just repeating your mantra


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  • #2197
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,763 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Can't answer the question?

    Just pretend you answered the question:pac:

    EVENFLOW



  • #2198
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,737 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Am, I think you'll find they have been attacked.

    Ya why are they not attacking Russia in revenge for bombing and invading Afghanistan for nine years, killing two million Muslim civilians?


  • #2199
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Bushmanpm wrote: »
    No, I'm just bored to tears with your ignoring all the answers you were given and just repeating your mantra

    Not bored with all the 'it's all about a crazy book, nothing to do with thousands of innocent Muslims' responses?


  • #2200
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Ya why are they not attacking Russia in revenge for bombing and invading Afghanistan for nine years, killing two million Muslim civilians?

    Am again, they were attacked.


  • #2201
    Bushmanpm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Bushmanpm


    neverever1 wrote:
    Not bored with all the 'it's all about a crazy book, nothing to do with thousands of innocent Muslims' responses?


    Whataboutary level: Jedi master


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  • #2202
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    neverever1 wrote: »
    It hasn't helped? That's it? These groups would be tiny without it.

    so you are telling us all the cause. how about you tell us the solution->how can we stop these people murdering innocent people across Europe?


  • #2203
    dogbert27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,476 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    neverever1 wrote: »
    The bombing campaign goes back a lot further than Al qaeda also. :rolleyes:

    When exactly did it start in your opinion?


  • #2204
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Bushmanpm wrote: »
    Whataboutary level: Jedi master

    So you can't answer the question then.


  • #2205
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    so you are telling us all the cause. how about you tell us the solution->how can we stop these people murdering innocent people across Europe?

    That's what I'm worried about, how can this be stopped now. I don't know the answer.


  • #2206
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,498 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Yes, 'their people' are the thousands of Muslims slaughtered.

    The vast majority of the slaughter is being perpetrated by ISIS and other Muslim extremists against fellow Muslims, but of course that doesn't fit your narrative of "it's all the Brits fault".


  • #2207
    ilkhanid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Please stop pretending this started just over a decade ago.

    You evaded the point I made. Shia children starved during the sanctions (probably more than Sunni children).
    Shia soldiers constituted the majority of the cannon fodder that marched to their deaths in the war with the American army.
    Shia militias fought the Americans in Baghdad and the British in Basra.
    Shias are allied with Iran, enemy of the "great satan" and its allies.

    Yet not one terrorist act in western europe can be ascribed to Shias.

    I thought it was the Bush invasion? which is it-that or events that took place a century ago? It seems to change to match your argument of the moment.


  • #2208
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    The vast majority of the slaughter is being perpetrated by ISIS and other Muslim extremists against fellow Muslims, but of course that doesn't fit your narrative of "it's all the Brits fault".

    Thousands upon thousands have been killed by American/British bombs but that doesn't fit your narrative of"it's never the Brits fault".


  • #2209
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    neverever1 wrote: »
    It's not the root cause!

    It's a bit funny that people of other religions with ties to the region haven't blown themselves up or machete'd people in europe, if it was about the bombing by the brits surely we'd see people of other faiths joining in?


  • #2210
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,498 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Thousands upon thousands have been killed by American/British bombs but that doesn't fit your narrative of"it's never the Brits fault".

    That's not my narrative at all. So you agree ISIS are killing more Muslims than any other group in the region? Also can you back up your claim of thousands upon thousands of innocents bring killed by British bombs in Syria? Thanks


  • #2211
    dogbert27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,476 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Thousands upon thousands have been killed by American/British bombs but that doesn't fit your narrative of"it's never the Brits fault".

    Asking again, when exactly in your opinion did this bombing campaign begin?


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  • #2212
    ilkhanid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Yes, 'their people' are the thousands of Muslims slaughtered.

    In other words they have no natural, ethnic, familial or linguistic connection to the people killed, but decided to manufacture a connection in their own minds based on religion. One more time:how do Muslims in Syria become "my people" to a Nigerian convert to Islam?
    As if I declared that Coptic Christians were "my people" and ran down people in Alexandria in a van as a consequence of my bizarre choice. And that's the significant word "choice". There's nothing natural or inevitable about it.
    You seem to have a notion that repeating the same phrases ("western bombing caused it" "they're their people") again and again is an argument. It isn't.
    neverever1 wrote: »
    Am again, they were attacked.

    Not before Chechyna and Syria.


  • #2213
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,763 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Has he answered a question yet:pac:

    EVENFLOW



  • #2214
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    ilkhanid wrote: »
    You evaded the point I made. Shia children starved during the sanctions (probably more than Sunni children).
    Shia soldiers constituted the cannon fodder that marched to their deaths in the war with the American army.
    Shia militias fought the Americans in Baghdad and the British in Basra.
    Shias are allied with Iran, enemy of the "great satan" and its allies.

    Yet not one terrorist act in western europe can be ascribed to Shias.

    I thought it was the Bush invasion? which is it-that or events that took place a century ago? It seems to change to match your argument of the moment.

    I don't know why they haven't, doesn't change the reasons as to why Europeans would attack people in their own countries because of the murder of 'their people' in the Middle East.

    I've always said it's been the history of British/American bombing campiagns in the Middle East.


  • #2215
    ligerdub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭ligerdub


    neverever1 wrote: »
    No, the attacks in the West are because of Muslims killed by the West.

    No they aren't!!


  • #2216
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    It's a bit funny that people of other religions with ties to the region haven't blown themselves up or machete'd people in europe, if it was about the bombing by the brits surely we'd see people of other faiths joining in?

    I'm saying it's the root cause, there's other reasons but not as significant as the bombing campaigns.


  • #2217
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    That's not my narrative at all. So you agree ISIS are killing more Muslims than any other group in the region? Also can you back up your claim of thousands upon thousands of innocents bring killed by British bombs in Syria? Thanks

    I'm saying how these groups have increased numbers and have so much support, these extremists don't come from nowhere.
    Never talked about Syria, I've always said the Middle East.


  • #2218
    dogbert27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,476 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    neverever1 wrote: »
    I'm saying it's the root cause, there's other reasons but not as significant as the bombing campaigns.

    Which started when???


  • #2219
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    dogbert27 wrote: »
    Asking again, when exactly in your opinion did this bombing campaign begin?

    The Brits bombed the sh1t out of Iraq nearly a century ago.


  • #2220
    dogbert27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,476 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    neverever1 wrote: »
    The Brits bombed the sh1t out of Iraq nearly a century ago.

    Can you be a bit more specific?

    Are you suggesting the first world war?

    After the first world war?


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  • #2221
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,498 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    neverever1 wrote: »
    The Brits bombed the sh1t out of Iraq nearly a century ago.

    They were fighting the Ottoman Empire as part of WW1 who were occupying Iraq/Mesopotamia. You've no idea really do you?


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