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London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

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  • #2072
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    ilkhanid wrote: »
    The difference is that British forces aren't intentionally killing innocents.
    They are fighting IS and innocent people are killed in the fighting. Now if you can come up with a solution to a problem that has plagued humanity since 6000BC-how to destroy the enemy while making sure no innocents are killed-i'm sure the world would love to hear it.



    Ditto



    the GIA in Algeria were radicalised without one bomb falling on Algeria. They were radicalised enough to murder 100 000 (there are higher estimates) people:men, women, infants.....



    Sweden has forces in Iraqi Kurdistan, helping to fight IS. Note the distinction?

    Are they dropping bombs by accident? They've been 'accidentally' dropping bombs on the Middle East long before Isis!


  • #2073
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Do you believe everything isis says? Groups like Isis would be minuscule without the bombs, this is a fact.

    No its not a fact:pac::pac:


  • #2074
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    volchitsa wrote: »
    Funny enough they don't mind killing each other though. Look at the bombs planted in Iraq and Afghanistan in the last few days. A bit like the domestic violence scenario where the outsider stepping in to help is then turned on by all sides perhaps?

    Your point being?


  • #2075
    ilkhanid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    neverever1 wrote: »
    I could ask you do you think the innocents killed by British bombs had it coming?
    In most cases the reason these people are even in Western societies is because of the bombing campaigns.

    Have you asked them? In interviews I've read most-well, all- mention Assad's bombing and IS terror.
    neverever1 wrote: »
    Do you believe everything isis says? Groups like Isis would be minuscule without the bombs, this is a fact.
    Why not? we believed the Nazis when they said what they wanted. We took PIRA at their word. In any case you are aware that we have records of communications between Jihadis, captured manuals, records of intercepted phone calls etc. What they believe, say, think is no great secret
    neverever1 wrote: »
    Are they dropping bombs by accident? They've been 'accidentally' dropping bombs on the Middle East long before Isis!

    They're fighting a war. But even in the most well-intentioned war people are killed. What counts is whether the war is righteous or nor. The Iraq invasion was unjustified. The campaign against IS is.


  • #2076
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    So how do you explain the Moroccan who was involved? No bombing in Morocco. Or the Uzbek in Sweden? No bombing in Uzbekistan. Or the Tunisian in Nice? No bombing in Tunisia. Or that 15 of the 9/11 attackers were Saudis? No bombing in Saudi Arabia. I'll wait for the explanation.

    Is it not obvious? 'Their people' ie Muslims are being killed in huge numbers. This is pretty simple stuff.


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  • #2077
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Its nothing to do with the Quran or Islam, it just isn't I tell you. Its the Brits, bombing, M.E. & those Americans no not Islam all to do with the M.E. the Brits the Brits & Americans & the bombs :D

    And the thousands of dead Muslims.


  • #2078
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Is it not obvious? 'Their people' ie Muslims are being killed in huge numbers. This is pretty simple stuff.

    So why are they not attacking ISIS?
    They kill more Muslims than anyone else.


  • #2079
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Is it not obvious? 'Their people' ie Muslims are being killed in huge numbers. This is pretty simple stuff.

    Ok so what will you say when it happens in Ireland?? Dont remember us dropping bombs on the M.E.


  • #2080
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,872 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    jmayo wrote: »
    It's not much of a protest when you can move them around on a street to get the optimum picture. :rolleyes:



    WTF are you on about.
    Just like with christians there are various flavours of islam.
    And lumping them all together is stupid,     doesn't recognise the differences and gulfs between them and is considered insulting to them actually.

    It is your type of narrow minded thinking that helped create the mess in Iraq post sadam.
    According to US and British leaders they just saw them all as Iraqis and that the majority of them hated sadam.
    Once he was out of the way they would all just "live in the light" to paraphrase another poster. :rolleyes:

    Except they hate each other, are tribalistic and can't wait to go slaughtering each other given the chance.
    Hence you had shias getting even for being under the yoke of sadam's sunnis for decades.
    You then ended up with sunnis turning to the likes of al-Qaeda in Iraq which in turn morphed into ISIS.
    Once they got ground they started slaughtering Shias, Kurds, Yazidis, Alawites, etc.

    Just ask ISIS or even most of those adhering to Wahhabist sunni islam about who is an isn't a muslim in their eyes.

    Exactly my point!

    Yet their are people on here claiming these attacks are the fault of ALL Muslims.


  • #2081
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    neverever1 wrote: »
    So being against British/American bombing campaigns is anti Brit bile? I could ask you do you think the innocents killed by British bombs had it coming?
    In most cases the reason these people are even in Western societies is because of the bombing campaigns.

    Why wouldnt they choose to move to other nearby peaceful nations like China , Japan, Mongolia, Saudi Arabia, if this were the case. Why move to countries which you believe to be the perpetrators of the tragedy in your life

    Never mind that why do they move specifically to Britain in particular over almost any other country in Europe when britain has the strongest ties to these atrocities in the middle east of any western country?


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  • #2082
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Trump_Wall wrote: »
    So when ISIS claim that they would exist independent of Western foreign policy and that their purpose is theocratic in origin, you're saying they're lying to us and you really know their true purpose?

    That's quite a claim.

    Since when did they appoint you as their official spokesperson?

    They would exist but they'd be tiny. People are sick of me repeating myself but yet I'm forced to by being asked the same questions.


  • #2083
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Exactly my point!

    Yet their are people on here claiming these attacks are the fault of ALL Muslims.

    Not sure there is.
    Care to quote an example please.


  • #2084
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    neverever1 wrote: »
    So being against British/American bombing campaigns is anti Brit bile?

    every thread you're in, you derail with your anti Brit bile. Seriously, start a thread about the Brits being a shower of hoors through the years. I'd even contribute and like some of your posts. Where they're relevant.
    But when you're spouting nonsense, with your fingers in your ears it gets tiresome.
    neverever1 wrote: »
    I could ask you do you think the innocents killed by British bombs had it coming?
    no they didnt have it coming. But I doubt the RAF or USAF ever dropped a bomb deliberately on kids and their mothers and fathers coming from a kid friendly event, or deliberately on people minding their own business. Yes errors are made and innocent people have died. But they were errors, and were usually admitted as being as much. compensation even been paid.

    neverever1 wrote: »
    In most cases the reason these people are even in Western societies is because of the bombing campaigns.

    in most cases, these people are in Western countries, is because they're f3ckin Westerners themselves


  • #2085
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,498 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Is it not obvious? 'Their people' ie Muslims are being killed in huge numbers. This is pretty simple stuff.

    So fundamentally it's religiously motivated i.e. Islam. Thanks for the explanation!

    Also you seem to not know that the overwhelming number of people killed in the ME are being killed by Muslims and that has been the case throughout Islam's long and violent history.


  • #2086
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Trump_Wall wrote: »
    So they hate us so much that they've decided to live among us?

    Who?


  • #2087
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    The Fake Sheikh wrote: »
    Do you not think that they might actually have the support of Westerners if they just came out and said "stop bombing us and we'll stop killing your civilians"

    These are the people behind these atrocities and they are telling us why but you want to just ignore that because you can't pin the blame on white Europeans?

    Actually these attackers usually end up dead but their relatives tell us that it's because of Middle Eastern bombing campaigns.


  • #2088
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Actually these attackers usually end up dead but their relatives tell us that it's because of Middle Eastern bombing campaigns.

    OK can we all agree with neverever that its the fault of the Brits & Americans dropping bombs on the M.E. & not Muslims, Islam or the Quran so we can talk about something other than the M.E.:rolleyes:


  • #2089
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    gitzy16v wrote: »
    So why are they not attacking ISIS?
    They kill more Muslims than anyone else.

    Because they are radicalised idiots that have barely set foot in these countries.


  • #2090
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    I'd love for just one of you alt-right types on this thread to answer me one question.

    Tell me - What is Irish culture?
    Irish Praetorian wrote: »
    I wouldn't profess to be an alt-right type but I'll take a stab...

    Whoa there Jihadi John!


  • #2091
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    Ok so what will you say when it happens in Ireland?? Dont remember us dropping bombs on the M.E.

    I'll be angry at the attackers and angry at those who put us in danger.


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  • #2092
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Because they are radicalised idiots that have barely set foot in these countries.

    Manchester bomber was in Libya and Syria recently.


  • #2093
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Why wouldnt they choose to move to other nearby peaceful nations like China , Japan, Mongolia, Saudi Arabia, if this were the case. Why move to countries which you believe to be the perpetrators of the tragedy in your life

    Never mind that why do they move specifically to Britain in particular over almost any other country in Europe when britain has the strongest ties to these atrocities in the middle east of any western country?

    Not every Muslim is a terrorist.


  • #2094
    ilkhanid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Is it not obvious? 'Their people' ie Muslims are being killed in huge numbers. This is pretty simple stuff.

    Then why don't they take umbrage against the parties that are killing Muslims by the thousand?

    http://www.torontosun.com/2017/05/30/baghdad-ice-cream-shop-targeted-by-isis-car-bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/03/kabul-explosions-afghanistan-people-killed-funeral-salim-ezadyar

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/31/huge-explosion-kabul-presidential-palace-afghanistan


  • #2095
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,498 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Actually these attackers usually end up dead but their relatives tell us that it's because of Middle Eastern bombing campaigns.

    Why aren't these guys, who apparently have a sense of injustice about the ME, going off to actually fight ISIS then seeing as how ISIS are responsible for the slaughter of thousands of innocents in Syria and Iraq - multitudes more than any foreign entities? Instead they are aligning with these religiously motivated lunatics.....are you getting the picture yet??


  • #2096
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    every thread you're in, you derail with your anti Brit bile. Seriously, start a thread about the Brits being a shower of hoors through the years. I'd even contribute and like some of your posts. Where they're relevant.
    But when you're spouting nonsense, with your fingers in your ears it gets tiresome.


    no they didnt have it coming. But I doubt the RAF or USAF ever dropped a bomb deliberately on kids and their mothers and fathers coming from a kid friendly event, or deliberately on people minding their own business. Yes errors are made and innocent people have died. But they were errors, and were usually admitted as being as much. compensation even been paid.




    in most cases, these people are in Western countries, is because they're f3ckin Westerners themselves

    Being against the murder of innocents killed by British bombs is anti British bile? Can you explain that one?


  • #2097
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    So fundamentally it's religiously motivated i.e. Islam. Thanks for the explanation!

    Also you seem to not know that the overwhelming number of people killed in the ME are being killed by Muslims and that has been the case throughout Islam's long and violent history.

    Am no, the main motivation is the thousands killed. These can't be ignored.


  • #2098
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Actually these attackers usually end up dead but their relatives tell us that it's because of Middle Eastern bombing campaigns.

    So nothing to do with ISIS I suppose...


  • #2099
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    gitzy16v wrote: »
    Manchester bomber was in Libya and Syria recently.

    Exactly like I said.


  • #2100
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    ilkhanid wrote: »
    Then why don't they take umbrage against the parties that are killing Muslims by the thousand?

    http://www.torontosun.com/2017/05/30/baghdad-ice-cream-shop-targeted-by-isis-car-bomb

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/03/kabul-explosions-afghanistan-people-killed-funeral-salim-ezadyar

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/31/huge-explosion-kabul-presidential-palace-afghanistan

    Because they are radicalised idiots. Please stop making me repeat myself.


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  • #2101
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Why aren't these guys, who apparently have a sense of injustice about the ME, going off to actually fight ISIS then seeing as how ISIS are responsible for the slaughter of thousands of innocents in Syria and Iraq - multitudes more than any foreign entities? Instead they are aligning with these religiously motivated lunatics.....are you getting the picture yet??

    See above.


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