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London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

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  • #1352
    GritBiscuit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭GritBiscuit


    8 attacks in 12 years despite best efforts doesn't strike me as a small problem being blown out of proportion. It strikes me as indicative of a much, much bigger problem being down-played.
    I'd be on the more liberal end of the political spectrum and I'd still like to know what the true scale of the problem is. Every time I hear statistical platitudes regarding how few casualties are affected by terrorism in the grand scheme of things, I don't feel safer - the first thing I wonder is if there were no intelligence services, no interceptions, no international sharing of information; just what exactly would we be staring down the barrel of...

    There is violent crime in our society anyway, yes. But as an average Joe, the likelihood of my being caught in the cross-fire when I have no physical or geographical ties to any criminal fraternity is close to zero. If you want to argue statistics then the less disingenuous comparable statistics should be victims of indiscriminate violent crime Vs terrorism, rather than all crime Vs terrorism.


  • #1353
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,176 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    deaddonkey15 wrote: »
    So they know what each individual islamic terrorist is hoping to achieve?

    They're more likely to know than anyone here.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #1354
    pumpkin4life
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭pumpkin4life


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    If you're not happy with how things are in Ireland (with ZERO radical islamic attacks) then feel free to live elsewhere. That's one perk of living in a multi-cultural Europe - you can sod off and live in Spain if you're not happy with here.

    Give it a few years.

    By the recent CSO population statistics and the fact that these events tend to be exponential rather than linear, I predict that there will be a major islamic related incident in Ireland in the next two to three years.


  • #1355
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    InTheTrees wrote: »
    I think it's time for all British cops to be armed.
    It was nice and quaint having them in their odd helmets carrying a truncheon back in the 1950's.
    But unfortunately times have changed and the kinds of threats the public face can't be neutralised with a stick.

    Yeah you're right let's become like America and arm everyone to the teeth.

    It'll work out fine. Nothing to see here.

    I was thinking a bit more like France actually. Or Germany. Or Switzerland. Or any other European country.

    How many other European countries have police on the streets without firearms?

    There's no need to replicate the carnage of the USA where assault rifles are for sale on every high street.


  • #1356
    pangbang
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭pangbang


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well, I'm not hearing much from ye except for, "Throw them back where they came from" type posts. Can't be bothered trying to fix the problem, so we'll just close the door and focus on ourselves...

    Very progressive of ye, and not fascistic at all.

    Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete, and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties

    So whats wrong with how hungary is operating?

    Prevention is better than cure, and then you don't have anything to "fix".

    Why do you want to have the moniker of "progressive" at the expense of lives, like the children who died in Manchester? Why do you want to invite in problems to fix? Are you not happy with your own life, don't have a sense of purpose without "fighting the man" or something like that? Don't like that our country (thankfully) up until now hasn't had to deal with death and destruction? Do you think Ireland is left out, that we need to get in the game too, have those raucous debates while people are dying?

    I'd hazard a guess that its far more important that your feelings take precedent over pesky things like death. You don't even think we "own" our own country, why I am even bothering?!


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  • #1357
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Irish Praetorian wrote: »
    There is a reason why Japan doesn't have these problems and it's not because its a society that has mastered self flagellation and multiculturalism.

    Ireland doesn't have these problems either.

    70,000+ Muslim immigrants. 2,500 Muslim doctors. Zero attacks by radical Islamists. Not to mention 3.5 million Muslims in UK who could easily get the boat over if we were really a 'target'.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/Mapped-Terror-threat-around-the-world/

    A nice little map of what the terror threat is globally, country by country.

    Hint - Ireland has the lowest threat level alongside Poland, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Japan etc.

    Doesn't fit with your multi-culturalism is terrible argument.


  • #1358
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,762 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    pjohnson wrote: »
    So you want a multi-cultural Europe but not a multi-cultural Ireland. Thats not hypocritical :D

    This post is not the brightest.

    I'd love to see where the poster said the above, but as far as I can see, you're wrong.


  • #1359
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,293 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    The UK had multiple terrorist attacks every year for decades. There was no easy solution to that problem and there's no easy solution to this problem.
    Care to list all the multiple terrorist attacks that happened every year in this decade and the last?


  • #1360
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    pumpkin4life wrote: »
    Give it a few years.

    By the recent CSO population statistics and the fact that these events tend to be exponential rather than linear, I predict that there will be a major islamic related incident in Ireland in the next two to three years.

    Ok Nostradamus. Contrary to your prediction, the UK Foreign Office has labeled Ireland at the lowest level terror threat globally.


  • #1361
    pumpkin4life
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭pumpkin4life


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    Ireland doesn't have these problems either.

    70,000+ Muslim immigrants. 2,500 Muslim doctors. Zero attacks by radical Islamists. Not to mention 3.5 million Muslims in UK who could easily get the boat over if we were really a 'target'.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/Mapped-Terror-threat-around-the-world/

    A nice little map of what the terror threat is globally, country by country.

    Hint - Ireland has the lowest threat level alongside Poland, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Japan etc.

    Doesn't fit with your multi-culturalism is terrible argument.

    Funny how the four countries you picked have very strong border policies and are in general very anti-multicultral.


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  • #1362
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    I was thinking a bit more like France actually. Or Germany. Or Switzerland. Or any other European country.

    How many other European countries have police on the streets without firearms?

    There's no need to replicate the carnage of the USA where assault rifles are for sale on every high street.

    There has been talk about following the French National Gendarmerie model. It's 100,000 strong, the trained to use arms police number in England is no more than 6500. I doubt they'd want to go that big but 20-30k could be the case in the next 5 years or so I'd say.


  • #1363
    ZeroThreat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Nah, just another maggot looking to cash in from people's deaths.

    I think your leftist bias is showing a bit tbh.


  • #1364
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    deaddonkey15 wrote: »
    He didn't say arm everyone to the teeth though did he?

    No, he said police - advocating for us to change our way of life as a result of terrorism. They didn't do it when *we* were bombing the hell out of the UK, they're not going to do it now because of some clowns with vans and knives.

    Anyway, they already have armed response units who took these guys down inside 8 minutes.


  • #1365
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,228 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    This post is not the brightest.

    I'd love to see where the poster said the above, but as far as I can see, you're wrong.

    Wow thats a suprising comprehension fail. Too many big words?


  • #1366
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    Ok Nostradamus. Contrary to your prediction, the UK Foreign Office has labeled Ireland at the lowest level terror threat globally.

    You do realise that ISIS has told the Europeans that fought for them to continue the attacks from home?? 120 from here but sure they'll just get back to Irish life:rolleyes:


  • #1367
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    Bambi wrote: »
    I dunno why people are comingup solutions for Britains problems when their problem is different

    We're in a position that most European countries were in 20-30 years ago but the Irish times brigade would have us follow the same path that left other European countries in the mess they're in? Why? Because their sacred cows must be protected regardless of consequence

    We don't need religious nutters from the middle ages in this country, just stop importing them. Nip this madness in the bud.

    We have plenty of nutters here, both religious and Republican. Lol


  • #1368
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    pumpkin4life wrote: »
    Funny how the four countries you picked have very strong border policies and are in general very anti-multicultral.

    Read the link. The other countries with low level terror threats include multi-cultural nations like Bolivia and Ecuador.

    And you ignored the fact we're not likely to be attacked by Radical Islamists.


  • #1369
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,228 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    No, he said police - advocating for us to change our way of life as a result of terrorism. They didn't do it when *we* were bombing the hell out of the UK, they're not going to do it now because of some clowns with vans and knives.

    Anyway, they already have armed response units who took these guys down inside 8 minutes.

    Oh so now you're bringing the IRA into the argument. Keep it up.


  • #1370
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    No, he said police - advocating for us to change our way of life as a result of terrorism. They didn't do it when *we* were bombing the hell out of the UK, they're not going to do it now because of some clowns with vans and knives.

    Anyway, they already have armed response units who took these guys down inside 8 minutes.

    Ah, wonderfullife still spreading their wisdom.

    Even after it was clear as day, we were still graced with your expert opinion in the Manchester thread. Always shouting down people who jump to conclusions, such a hypocrite. Your head is firmly buried in the sand or somewhere else

    You posted the below when the writing was clearly on the wall. The police had already used the word explosion, a video in the thread showed a bright flash and loud bang, yet your forensic investigation brought you to the conclusion below
    wonderfullife wrote: »
    There's absolutely no sign of a point of detonation.

    It doesn't look like any typical scene of a bombing.

    Won't jump to conclusions but if it was a bomb it was a very unusual one from all available footage.

    What exactly is your game?


  • #1371
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    You do realise that ISIS has told the Europeans that fought for them to continue the attacks from home?? 120 from here but sure they'll just get back to Irish life:rolleyes:

    I'm sure if there's ever an attack here you'll be quickly rushing to the thread to call for a ban on Islam etc etc yawn.

    If you lose sleep over the potential for an attack here, you're doing it wrong.


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  • #1372
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,071 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well, I'm not hearing much from ye except for, "Throw them back where they came from" type posts. Can't be bothered trying to fix the problem, so we'll just close the door and focus on ourselves...

    Very progressive of ye, and not fascistic at all.

    Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete, and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties

    Is that link evangelizing?

    I'm not sure if you are on the left or far right.


  • #1373
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,293 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    Ireland doesn't have these problems either.
    The Gards are monitoring about 40 Islamic extremists in this country.
    A similar figure have gone off to join ISIS to fight.
    A prominent Muslim cleric has said that Muslim children are being taught hatred.
    Some of his followers have being physically assaulted while putting up posters calling for other Muslims to attend a peace rally.
    Other Muslims confronted them whilst the rally was underway as well.

    We have problem in this country, although not as bad as others.


  • #1374
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    No, he said police - advocating for us to change our way of life as a result of terrorism. They didn't do it when *we* were bombing the hell out of the UK, they're not going to do it now because of some clowns with vans and knives.

    Anyway, they already have armed response units who took these guys down inside 8 minutes.

    And what about the unarmed police officer who was stabbed?????

    "The man, who remains unnamed, is recovering from his injuries in hospital after he was stabbed during the London Bridge terror attack as he confronted the attackers armed with only a baton"


  • #1375
    K.Flyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    [...]
    If you're not happy with how things are in Ireland (with ZERO radical islamic attacks) then feel free to live elsewhere. That's one perk of living in a multi-cultural Europe - you can sod off and live in Spain if you're not happy with here.

    Could the same thing not be said to those who have moved to Britain or Ireland, or having been born in the country, but their background or culture clashes with that of the indigenous population, that they instead leave and go live in a country that is more suitable to their way of thinking and strict cultural ideals.


  • #1376
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    I'm sure if there's ever an attack here you'll be quickly rushing to the thread to call for a ban on Islam etc etc yawn.

    If you lose sleep over the potential for an attack here, you're doing it wrong.

    So if there is an attack in Ireland will you come on here & apologize to all the people you have insinuated to being racists/bigots?
    Or will you still make excuses for Islam?


  • #1377
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    The Gards are monitoring about 40 Islamic extremists in this country.
    A similar figure have gone off to join ISIS to fight.
    A prominent Muslim cleric has said that Muslim children are being taught hatred.
    Some of his followers have being physically assaulted while putting up posters calling for other Muslims to attend a peace rally.
    Other Muslims confronted them whilst the rally was underway as well.

    We have problem in this country, although not as bad as others.

    Shuuusshhh you cant tell people that, they will call you deluded/racist/bigot :rolleyes:


  • #1378
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    K.Flyer wrote: »
    Could the same thing not be said to those who have moved to Britain or Ireland, or having been born in the country, but their background or culture clashes with that of the indigenous population, that they instead leave and go live in a country that is more suitable to their way of thinking and strict cultural ideals.

    Sure, if immigrants don't like it here in the UK or Ireland they're free to move elsewhere.

    What is Irish culture by the way? Someone tell me what our culture is that you want immigrants to blend in with?


  • #1379
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    We have plenty of nutters here, both religious and Republican. Lol

    Defect defect, one trick pony running on the one track. You've been flogging that pony since the days of usenet

    Of course it was'nt actually you but it might as well have been, cos its same ould shtick :D


  • #1380
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    Anyway, they already have armed response units who took these guys down inside 8 minutes.

    Eight minutes??? That's not very reassuring.

    Imagine how much damage one suicidal person with a machete can do in eight minutes. And there were three of them last night.


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  • #1381
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    Sure, if immigrants don't like it here in the UK or Ireland they're free to move elsewhere.

    What is Irish culture by the way? Someone tell me what our culture is that you want immigrants to blend in with?

    Well I wouldnt like them doing this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW-VJwcOwzE


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