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London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

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  • #1082
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Romantic Rose wrote: »
    Irish nuns aren't 2 a penny now and at least they were allowed to have some kind of thought process of their own. Not live under their husbands rule.

    They can't live under their husband's rule - they aren't allowed to have a husband.


  • #1083
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    The thing with the semtex reveals most of the "close the borders" brigade for what they really are. Here we have evidence of extremist republicans planning a deadly campaign and the usual folks from terrorist related threads are nowhere to be seen. Nobody calling for the border with NI or the UK to be closed

    "Close the borders" brigade typically means anti-immigration, so your point is meaningless.
    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    nobody calling for their friends and families to be blamed, nobody calling for republicans to be interned for their views.

    Aren't republicans to blame? I'd have thought so. Of course interment and ostracization are no solution and only adds to problems. Case in point, the leader of ISIS was interned by American forces at one stage.
    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    What about catholic nuns? Don't they dress in a similarly concealed fashion.

    The more extreme religions are (or their adherence), the more they start to all look the same. Thankfully seeing nuns' habits is a rarity these days.


  • #1084
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    listermint wrote: »
    I assume you can use your internet search engine. Because should I bother grabbing many links you will no doubt brush them aside as if Saudi money isn't awash through the middle East funding this nuanced 'religious' resurgence.

    It's almost as of the Saudis know the oil won't last forever and having other regions in disarray around them will assist and power grabs .

    I'll take that as assumption on your part then.


  • #1085
    Romantic Rose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭Romantic Rose


    Phoebas wrote: »
    They can't live under their husband's rule - they aren't allowed to have a husband.

    I honestly don't know which one is better but at least nuns could live a bit freer. Some of the women I see collect their children everyday just live wretched lives.


  • #1086
    tiger55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭tiger55


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    How many more times? Which government will be happy to accept British nationals deported for suspected terrorism?
    Sweden


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  • #1087
    A_Sober_Paddy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,221 ✭✭✭A_Sober_Paddy


    May's words on internet are akin to something in V for Vendetta and 1984


  • #1088
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Phoebas wrote: »
    The terrorists with the semtex found the other day are hardly getting a mention.
    If they were Islamic rather than Republican terrorists, people would be calling for a state of emergency to be called.

    Completely correct: because it's bad enough having terrorists in the form of the IRA in our midst without adding Islamic terrorism to the mix as well. It is scary how many IRA sympathisers there are in Ireland, and it's something we have yet to truly deal with, as a country.


  • #1089
    Allah snackbar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 161 ✭✭Allah snackbar


    Captain Obvious wrote: »


    What about catholic nuns? Don't they dress in a similarly concealed fashion.

    Can you tell the difference between women making a choice to follow a path in life that is her choosing or a women who because of the fact of being female is automatically a second class citizen , forced to cover herself and forbidden to do anything against her father's or husbands wishes .


  • #1090
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,434 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    I'll take that as assumption on your part then.

    Fine

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/26/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-islam.html

    Feel free to tear it apart as I know you will


    These attacks don't exist in a vaccuum.

    Funded by Saudi oil. Spurned on by UK and US bombing of the region's.

    It all adds fuel to the fire


    And yes there are answers and they are obvious ones. Stop treating the Saudis as friends and stop acting like the world police in the middle East.


  • #1091
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    The Muslim lady who lives in my grandma's apartment block seems to be happy out. She is mad for chats, she drives, and the whole family have been into the hospital to see my grandma repeatedly.

    If we are going for anecdotal evidence...


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  • #1092
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Do you honestly think that it has nothing to do with the bombings from the US and UK in the middle east?

    Yes, it honestly has nothing to do with that.

    What you are expressing is something I some difficulties with.

    1 - Its using a tragedy to shamelessly point-score on foreign policy.

    2 - Its an attempt to persuade yourself that you have some control over something that frightens you. There are people in this world who want to kill you for reasons you don't understand and you cant reason with them. It obviously comforting to believe if you just do or don't do X, then you will be safe. Comforting but incorrect. ISIS murders and bombs tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands in the Middle East, but still draws support. Bombing or killing Muslims is not an issue for them or their supporters. Countries like Sweden that have not bombed the Middle East have been targeted in the same way countries linked to Syria have been.

    3 - Its arrogant. You are assuming that other people are motivated by the arguments that are important to you and make sense to you. You are not willing to accept that ISIS has a complete philosophy and set of goals independent of yours. ISIS are not some sort of militant antifa protest group. They have their own ideology and it draws support on its own merits.


  • #1093
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Saudis and Qatar are funding ISIS, it was confirmed in Wikileak emails written by Hillary Clinton during her time as Secretary of state

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hillary-clinton-wikileaks-email-isis-saudi-arabia-qatar-us-allies-funding-barack-obama-knew-all-a7362071.html

    The memo says: “We need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to Isis and other radical groups in the region.”

    Very interesting. Cheers.


  • #1094
    Boggy Turf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 427 ✭✭Boggy Turf


    The first thing to accept is that this type of terrorism will occur in the UK for many years to come. The reasons are complex but essentially it is cause & effect. The murderers kill out of anger and their perception that their people and religion have been very wronged in the middle east for decades by western governments and their obsession on oil. Within the UK there are socio-economic and irrational religious reasons for young men to martyr themselves. The lunatics have found new ways to terrorise which makes it very hard to prevent.


  • #1095
    Allah snackbar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 161 ✭✭Allah snackbar


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    The Muslim lady who lives in my grandma's apartment block seems to be happy out. She is mad for chats, she drives, and the whole family have been into the hospital to see my grandma repeatedly.

    If we are going for anecdotal evidence...

    Not if Muslim extremists get their way


  • #1096
    Conservative
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭Conservative


    Re: Semtex. Anyone involved in dissident Republicanism should be interned (being kind) also, along with their scumbags mates and family if they are thought to be sympathisers too. I have no idea what point you are trying to make.

    Anti-Muslim sentiment is just going to grow and we in Ireland are going to end up with exactly the same scenario of disillusioned communities striking out at us. The vast majority of Muslims were not born here and have no right here. Deport them and refuse to take any EU born Muslims going forward unless they perform essential duties.


  • #1097
    Romantic Rose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭Romantic Rose


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    The Muslim lady who lives in my grandma's apartment block seems to be happy out. She is mad for chats, she drives, and the whole family have been into the hospital to see my grandma repeatedly.

    If we are going for anecdotal evidence...

    Good for her but that's not what I see. I've had parent teacher meetings where the woman wouldn't or should I say couldn't shake my hand nor could she make any contribution towards her child's developement. Very bizarre.


  • #1098
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,434 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Boggy Turf wrote: »
    The first thing to accept is that this type of terrorism will occur in the UK for many years. The reasons are complex but essentially it is cause & effect. The murderers kill out of anger and their perception that their people and religion have been very wronged in the middle east for decades by western government and their obsession on oil. Within the UK there are socio-economic and irrational religious reasons for young men to martyr themselves.

    Exactly.

    And drivel like internment and throwing people into the ocean as some put it are not solutions neither logically not sensibly.

    The reasons are nuanced their are actions available.

    And the reactions of mass fear and hysteria don't help


  • #1099
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Actually as the exusers hang on citizenship as the greatest excuse I wonder if these terrorists are actually British.

    I mean Salmon Abedi and James McClean were both born and raised in what is called the United Kingdom. James McClean however views himself as an Irish rather than British citizen. We have no idea if Abedi referred to himself as a Lybian citizen. But the excusers would insist vehemently that both men are British simply because they were born there. Its actually a far more ridiculous excuse than I previously thought!


  • #1100
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,434 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Conservative wrote: »
    Re: Semtex. Anyone involved in dissident Republicanism should be interned (being kind) also, along with their scumbags mates and family if they are thought to be sympathisers too. I have no idea what point you are trying to make.

    Anti-Muslim sentiment is just going to grow and we in Ireland are going to end up with exactly the same scenario of disillusioned communities striking out at us. The vast majority of Muslims were not born here and have no right here. Deport them and refuse to take any EU born Muslims going forward unless they perform essential duties.

    ... Being kind..! ?


    Your sentiments are not better than those who would run over people in a van.


    Birds of a feather


  • #1101
    Tomatoheadfred
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 ✭Tomatoheadfred


    There simply must be a moratorium on immigration from regions were religious extremism is rife until Europe gets a handle on the situation. This simply cannot continue. As millions more unvetted immigrants from the regions enter Europe, the situation will get a lot worse.

    Think it's bad now? Think what will it be like in a decade or two from now. The solution is to temporarily halt immigration, try and integrate those that are currently here and to try and root out the extreme elements. Allowing millions more enter every few years when we are already overstretched is a recipe for disaster.


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  • #1102
    c montgomery
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭c montgomery


    Boggy Turf wrote: »
    The first thing to accept is that this type of terrorism will occur in the UK for many years to come. The reasons are complex but essentially it is cause & effect. The murderers kill out of anger and their perception that their people and religion have been very wronged in the middle east for decades by western government and their obsession on oil. Within the UK there are socio-economic and irrational religious reasons for young men to martyr themselves.

    Or because they are ****ing pathetic idiots, some of them just need some purpose in their empty life and have no idea about the history of the middle East


  • #1103
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Allah snackbar wrote:
    Not if Muslim extremists get their way


    Or indeed rabid islamophobes. Life is full of assholes unfortunately.


  • #1104
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Romantic Rose wrote: »
    I honestly don't know which one is better but at least nuns could live a bit freer. Some of the women I see collect their children everyday just live wretched lives.

    Maybe they live wretched lives, maybe they don't. When you actually ask Muslim women about their lives they tend to say they are ok with the garb they wear.
    I think people who don't know better just assume that their lives must be wretched because they don't know better. The same people who will shoehorn this into a discussion about a terror attack.


  • #1105
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,434 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Tomatoheadfred wrote: »
    There dimplly must be a moratorium on mmigration from regions were religious extremism is rife until Europe gets a handle on the situation. This simply cannot continue. As millions more unvetted immigrants from the regions enter Europe, the situation will get a lot worse.

    Think it's bad now? Think what will it be like in a decade or two from now. The solution is to temporarily halt immigration, try and integrate those that are currently here and to try and root out the extreme elements. Allowing millions more enter every few years when we are already overstretched is a recipe for disaster.

    Millions aren't coming that's the point .

    The EU put a stop to it and paid billions to a newly fledged dictatorship in Turkey to keep them and close the borders.

    You got what you wanted we paid billions to a suspect individual to close up shop for us.


  • #1106
    Boggy Turf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 427 ✭✭Boggy Turf


    c montgomery wrote: »
    Or because they are ****ing pathetic idiots, some of them just need some purpose in their empty life and have no idea about the history of the middle East

    Hence my use of the word "perception"


  • #1107
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,197 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Having just listened to Teresa may speaking outside Downing Street, there sounded like a different tone in a "right the gloves are off" way.


  • #1108
    neonsofa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,476 ✭✭✭neonsofa


    Romantic Rose wrote: »
    Good for her but that's not what I see. I've had parent teacher meetings where the woman wouldn't or should I say couldn't shake my hand nor could she make any contribution towards her child's developement. Very bizarre.

    And I've sat outside my child's classroom waiting for a parent teacher meeting, chatting away to a muslim woman, the mother of a lovely muslim boy who gets on with everybody in the class. She was showing me which picture on the wall was his, telling me which subject he liked and disliked etc. Perfectly friendly woman who was very much invested in her child's development and school/social life.


  • #1109
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    Very interesting. Cheers.

    What's also interesting is the money that flowed from Qatar and the Saudi's through the Clinton foundation during her reign, but that's for another topic.


  • #1110
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,011 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    listermint wrote: »
    Millions aren't coming that's the point .

    The EU put a stop to it and paid billions to a newly fledged dictatorship in Turkey to keep them and close the borders.

    You got what you wanted we paid billions to a suspect individual to close up shop for us.

    The EU is still running a taxi service from Libya to Italy for the people traffickers.


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  • #1111
    123shooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭123shooter


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Do you honestly think that it has nothing to do with the bombings from the US and UK in the middle east?

    Partly but unchecked immigration is encouraged and forced upon us deliberately from these countries and it hasn't even slowed or restrictions haven't even been bought in. So you have to ask yourselves why?

    Conspiracy people say it is part of a bigger plan to destroy the nationalistic population by flooding the countries with other people to take complete control of those countries by divide and conquer and impose draconian laws.

    To be honest I can think of no other reason why this is all happening as far out as it seems.

    In the past if other people attacked a country then other same peoples if in the attacked country were either ejected or interned to protect the native populations. The EU's answers is open your borders and let anyone in especially from those attacking peoples countries. If anybody objects shut them down. or at very least label them racist and whip up hysteria against the objectors but stifle anything said against immigration or certain religions associated with such attacks.

    It's a funny old world.


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