London terror attack confirmed by Met Police

Beyondgone wrote: »

"In a Poll, 23,000 people said they were Jihadis..."

Same way of gathering figures as Anglo used. Some tool could convert tomorrow and go off on a lone wolf run. Irrelevant figures are irrelevant. 1 is more than enough.

A poll? I don't think so

Intelligence officers have identified 23,000 jihadist extremists living in Britain as potential terrorist attackers, it emerged yesterday.

The scale of the challenge facing the police and security services was disclosed by Whitehall sources after criticism that multiple opportunities to stop the Manchester bomber had been missed.

About 3,000 people from the total group are judged to pose a threat and are under investigation or active monitoring in 500 operations being run by police and intelligence services. The 20,000 others have featured in previous inquiries and are categorised as posing a “residual risk”.

ThisRegard wrote: »

You're ignoring the basic fact of home grown terrorism , building a Trump wall around the island won't stop future incidents like this, as much as you'd like to think it would. It needs to be tackled at the root somehow.

Deleted User wrote: »

For UK born terrorists, attacking the UK?

Yeah. Great idea.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/huge-scale-of-terror-threat-revealed-uk-home-to-23-000-jihadists-3zvn58mhq

The origins of the current attackers are not very relevant.
As has been discussed previously on other threads, and it generally gets a consensus, surveillance and a very tight control of "at risk" individuals is needed. Some of these individuals may have been born in the country of residence, some may have arrived as immigrants later.
A serious problem is simply that of resources, and numbers : the more individuals there are to watch, the harder it gets to watch them closely. Incidentally, while intelligence are trying to deal with potentially radicalized individuals in situ, more radicalized individuals may be arriving in amongst genuine refugees.
If trying to pinpoint and monitor extremists among 3.5 M Muslims in the UK is difficult, why let a sizable trickle flow in simultaneously ? It doesn't make sense, and Europeans/Western people have to become tough, and firm, and protective of their own patch. It's not evil or racist to want to protect your own patch, the people that are close to you.

Putting a halt to immigration, for now (with a view to reopening borders some day !), would help intelligence deal better with numbers of people to be closely monitored.

There are plenty of doctors, nurses, surgeons to be found here in Europe/Ireland, or among the diaspora. Realistically, Muslim medical practitioners are not here because of a shortage of people, but because of a political/economical issue within Ireland (and other European countries respectively).

I think the current social issues justify cutting off supply of cheap medical practitioners from risky countries, and trying to coax back European practitioners.

Contain all problems, and deal with what can be dealt with, rather than take in more potential problems on humanitarian grounds. "Humanity starts at home" should be our new motto, as Europeans. For now. This crisis can be overcome in time, hopefully.

Just had a gawk on twitter.
It seems as there is more americans bashing the muslims then there are brits. Mosts of the brits are defending them as a matter of fact.
Crazy world we live in.

Beyondgone wrote: »

She's showered and is in her nightie. Having cocoa and about to head to bed. Still hot, same as every other day.

One witness described her as being a "little ride" with an "arse so perfect that even ISIS look twice". Can you confirm this?

pedigree 6 wrote: »

This is probably most definitely naive of me.
But I wonder are these screw loose homegrown "terrorists" people that haven't gotten a good education from primary through to their secondary schools in the UK?

Basically were they given a colouring book and told to be quiet in the corner and thus have been seized upon by others in later life or they see that this will be the only way and hope that they will be remembered by their communities and wider world.

Lots are college educated, the loser who did the Manchester bomb was college educated.

gitzy16v wrote: »

How the fcuk is there still arguments on these threads,surely by now every one of us is against Islamic extremists.

The argument comes from "what to do about it"

One group of people want something to be done about their neighbours getting killed on a regular basis (like, ANYTHING, at this point)

The other group want nothing to happen and are happy to continue the status quo.

Continuing the status quo entails calling people racist, x-o-phobes, fascists, backward. Some of the regular go-to's include whataboutisms like "but your uncle emigrated from Persia to guadaloupe 647 years ago, so...."but these terrorists are not foreigners, they were born in country X therefore....."

Theres never a point to be made, never a solution put forward, never ANYTHING except criticism of actually doing something about the murderers.

Its BONKERRRRRRSSS!!!!

If anything, the biggest problem are those defenders, because they enable the killers to keep on killing.

Still ongoing it seems

Blast live on sky, reporter said a blast to move closer on suspects. It's like they are held up somewhere , maybe with hostages

wonderfullife wrote: »

Right so what does that mean for Ireland?

What are our "cultural norms"?

Drinking, smoking, gambling, GAA, more drinking, watch Fair City, listen to U2 and Enya, watch Riverdance, slap another bet down on Cheltenham, hit the pub.

How many of our 'cultural norms' that are commonplace these days are even Irish? I can't think of a person I know who doesn't eat in a Chinese Restaurant, Indian takeaway, Italian chipper. I can't think of a person I know who doesn't watch American tv shows. I can't think of anybody who doesn't drive cars that come from elsewhere.

What exactly are "our cultural norms" you want immigrant Muslims/Hindus/Jews to adhere to and how do you expect them to integrate?

It seems to me like it's just a bloody talking point to parrot but what in plain English do you expect from these people? Get rid of their hijab and hit Coppers on a Friday night?

In a word, yeah, youre right about coppers and the hijab!

Its this kind of comment that just dilutes any possibility of action.

Normal person:"Hey, we're in a plane nosediving towards the ground, what will we do, quick!"

Defence League 4000: "Not so fast, not so fast! What IS a plane, anyway? Are we, as sentient beings, supposed to go into the sky at all? And what IS the sky anyway? And why should....*CRAAAASSSSHHHH*