Advertisement
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.
Hi all, please see this major site announcement: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058427594/boards-ie-2026

Guinness lease

13»

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,832 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Arthur Guinness was Irelands first ever water protester, even threatened the Sherrif with a pick axe over his water supply
    https://comeheretome.com/2015/07/05/arthur-guinness-and-his-right2water/
    The story of the humble origins of the brewery is well known. Arthur, at the grand old age of 34, signed a nine-thousand year lease on a disused brewery at St. James’s Gate in 1759, committing to paying an annual rent of ?45, a relatively high figure at the time. Guinness acquired the brewery from Mark Rainsford, who is today commemorated via Rainsford Street in the vicinity of the brewery.

    Having assumed control of the premises, Arthur found himself entangled in a dispute regarding the supply of water to his brewery. As Joe Joyce has noted in his history of the family, water was critical to the growing city of the eighteenth city, and while the River Liffey “provided no drinking water or water for brewing”, businesses largely depended upon the River Poddle to provide them. Arthur Guinness got his water supply from the city main, as did many of the businesses in the area of the city in which he operated, but crucially he believed that the lease he had signed entitled him to full water rights, without becoming a tenant to the city main supply of which he was a user.

    As the Guinness brewery continued to expand its output, the Corporation complained that he rejected “all reasonable methods” which were made to induce him to pay for this supply. There were further tensions in 1772 when a sub-committee found that Arthur was utilising two illegal pipes, larger than permitted, to supply his brewery with its required water supply. In Guinness’s Brewery in the Irish Economy 1759-1876, it is noted that the committee observed that the waterworks beside the Guinness brewery had been described as belonging to the city, and they believed that neither Guinness nor Rainsford, from whom he leased the brewery, had any claim to the ground in question.

    In an 1947 edition of the Dublin Historical Record, the story of the attempt to bring Arthur into line with City policy is well told:

    On 16th May 1775, the Committee, with the Sheriff and a number of workmen, went to the Back Course for the purpose of filling in the section between the Limerick property [neighbouring land] and St. James’s Gate. Mr. Arthur Guinness appeared on the scene and strenuously opposed the Committee. He told them that if they filled in the stream he would at once open it again; he seized a pick axe from a labourer and, placing himself in front of the workman, resisted and protested to such good purpose that the Committee, although supported by the Sheriff, whom they had brought to enforce the law, withdrew without accomplishing their design.

    Arthur, the report of the Committee noted, told the men that “the water was his, and he would defend it by force of arms.” He told the men that “if they filled it up from end to end, he would immediately open it”, and his use of “very much improper language” was also commented upon.

    The dispute dragged on and on, but on 24 May 1784, Arthur agreed to sign a 8,795-year lease for the use of the water (the remainder of his original 9,000 year lease), that required him to pay ?10 annually for the privilege. Ultimately, it was a compromise between the two sides.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Persephone kindness


    He sounds like the type who would start a brewing biz alright. Bless him.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Arthur Guinness is dead. That was in 1913.

    That's why I said their anti Irish history. They've changed their tune now.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    By the way .. My Dad and my aunt (now deceased )were injured in the 1970's Dublin loyalist bombings..very minor ..but .they have let it go. We all know the loyalist violence was never anything in comparison to the Republican violence. And funding of violence of any kind is wrong.

    The loyalist/British security forces killed more innocents than the PIRA. A huge percentage of those they killed in the war were civilians. I think the Guinness company believed the same myth you do when they wanted to be known as an English company in the 80's.


Advertisement
Advertisement