Guinness lease

PTH2009

I wonder what will happen when Guinnesses 9000 year lease is up ???

I doubt any of us will be around but do u think it will actually signal the end of the world ???

Victor

PTH2009 wrote: »

I wonder what will happen when Guinnesses 9000 year lease is up ???

I doubt any of us will be around but do u think it will actually signal the end of the world ???

:rolleyes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinness_Brewery

Arthur Guinness started brewing ales in Leixlip, County Kildare, and then from 1759 at the St. James's Gate Brewery in Dublin. On 31 December he signed a 9,000-year lease at £45 per annum for the unused brewery.[3][4] However, the lease is no longer in effect because the brewery property has been bought out when it expanded beyond the original 4-acre site.

mcsaddle

999 years

evolving_doors

Has Arthur's day run out yet?
Please...

Are Am Eye

You need to get to 8200 years of the lease. Then let it settle for a minute.

iguot

Victor wrote: »

:rolleyes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinness_Brewery

but they mention the lease in their new ad?

Though Bord na Mona are pretending to be the salt of the earth in their new one so they're all full of it anyway.

PTH2009

Gebgbegb wrote: »

Has Arthur's day run out yet?
Please...

Too ARTHUR!!!

**** off

That concept was a pure load of Bull, aimed at Wahey Students

Hermy

Nine hundred years according to Page 2 of the memorial lodged at the Registry of Deeds on June 9th 1761.

Werido

It gets bought by hipsters.

Beyondgone

iguot wrote: »

but they mention the lease in their new ad?

Though Bord na Mona are pretending to be the salt of the earth in their new one so they're all full of it anyway.

True dat. "Caring for the environment..." erm, dumps and bog-stripping? Caring how?

beertons

I read that as Guinness release. Was a bit jealous that you were out on the lash on a school night. But now you're on the jacks.

sjb25

PTH2009 wrote: »

Too ARTHUR!!!

**** off

To martha

murpho999

PTH2009 wrote: »

Too ARTHUR!!!

**** off

That concept was a pure load of Bull, aimed at Wahey Students

sjb25 wrote: »

Too martha

Ah lads, sorry but it's "to Arthur and to Martha", not "too".

flanzer

Anyone know who they are leasing it off?

sjb25

murpho999 wrote: »

Ah lads, sorry but it's "to Arthur and to Martha", not "too".

Ooops

me_irl

PTH2009 wrote: »

Too ARTHUR!!!

**** off

That concept was a pure load of Bull, aimed at Wahey Students

sjb25 wrote: »

Too martha

To!

Gavinz

flanzer wrote: »

Anyone know who they are leasing it off?

Noone.

They own it.

sjb25

me_irl wrote: »

To!

Fixed my post sorry won't happen again

Father Hernandez

PTH2009 wrote: »

Too ARTHUR!!!

**** off

That concept was a pure load of Bull, aimed at Wahey Students

And it worked :rolleyes:

Hermy

flanzer wrote: »

Anyone know who they are leasing it off?

FROM!!!

flanzer

Hermy wrote: »

FROM!!!

:pac::pac:

me_irl

sjb25 wrote: »

Fixed my post sorry won't happen again

Danke schön!

:pac:

But seriously though, is Guinness not the "schrodingers sh*ts" of drink?

You can get a decent one, or a watered down muck one, or a dodgy one.

Lying in bed all day waiting for Mount Poosuvious to erupt.

neverever1

Anyone remember that the Guinness family were always opposed to Irish independence? Arthur Guinness himself was an informer to the British. They gave the uvf 100,000 in 1913 for them to buy weapons. They even considered dropping any connection to Ireland and saying they are strictly an English company in the 80's.

sjb25

Hermy wrote: »

FROM!!!

Dravokivich

me_irl wrote: »

To!

Hermy wrote: »

FROM!!!

murpho999

neverever1 wrote: »

Anyone remember that the Guinness family were always opposed to Irish independence? Arthur Guinness himself was an informer to the British. They gave the uvf 100,000 in 1913 for them to buy weapons. They even considered dropping any connection to Ireland and saying they are strictly an English company in the 80's.

Yes I remember all those incidents very well, sure we were all there at the time.

B-D-P--

going back to the whole lease,

Im sure there is an other aggreement that they pay fair rates in order to stop any increases on the €1 rent which is complete advertising.

So they are paying more just its not down as rent and that will stop anybody going down legal route to up rent and they can keep marketing the €1 rent

D0NNELLY

Hermy wrote: »

FROM!!!

Never heard of them

whisky_galore

neverever1 wrote: »

Anyone remember that the Guinness family were always opposed to Irish independence? Arthur Guinness himself was an informer to the British. They gave the uvf 100,000 in 1913 for them to buy weapons. They even considered dropping any connection to Ireland and saying they are strictly an English company in the 80's.

All the big businesses of the time would have been opposed to it, being mainly Anglo-Irish or Quaker owned or influenced.

They would have seen it as Brexit, pretty much.
Why on earth would they support independence?? Uncertainty and nothing in it for them with the added possibility of further radicalising already displeased workers although the likes of Guinness and Jacobs had better pay and conditions compared to a lot of other places.

neverever1

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes I remember all those incidents very well, sure we were all there at the time.

Remember finding out about it? I think I've educated a few people who didn't know these facts.

neverever1

whisky_galore wrote: »

All the big businesses of the time would have been opposed to it, being mainly Anglo-Irish or Quaker owned or influenced.

They would have seen it as Brexit, pretty much.
Why on earth would they support independence?? Uncertainty and nothing in it for them with the added possibility of further radicalising already displeased workers although the likes of Guinness and Jacobs had better pay and conditions compared to a lot of other places.

Not supporting independence for Irish people was an approval of British murder and tyranny. There's no other way around this. You also ignore that they continued to oppose Irish independence up to the 80's and I assume they still do.

whisky_galore

neverever1 wrote: »

Not supporting independence for Irish people was an approval of British murder and tyranny. There's no other way around this. You also ignore that they continued to oppose Irish independence up to the 80's and I assume they still do.

Business interests trump moral scruples.

I suppose you steer clear of any Guinness/Diageo products, do you?

wordofwarning

neverever1 wrote: »

They even considered dropping any connection to Ireland and saying they are strictly an English company in the 80's.

Do you know why they considered dropping the Irish connection in the 1980s? It is hard to sell a product heavily associated with Ireland, when Irish are well known for blowing up innocent people ie the IRA during their campaign

neverever1

whisky_galore wrote: »

Business interests trump moral scruples.

I suppose you steer clear of any Guinness/Diageo products, do you?

Arthur Guinness was a British informant. They funded the uvf. This went a lot further than business interests.

I sure do, any self respecting Irish person would. I just assume many don't realise these facts.

whisky_galore

neverever1 wrote: »

Arthur Guinness was a British informant. They funded the uvf. This went a lot further than business interests.

I sure do, any self respecting Irish person would. I just assume many don't realise these facts.

Good for you.

neverever1

wordofwarning wrote: »

Do you know why they considered dropping the Irish connection in the 1980s? It is hard to sell a product heavily associated with Ireland, when Irish are well known for blowing up innocent people ie the IRA during their campaign

If that was their issue then why would they want to be changed to been known as an English company? They've been blowing up a lot more people for a lot longer!

neverever1

whisky_galore wrote: »

Good for you.

Ignoring the informing for the British and funding of loyalists?

ThinkProgress

Gavinz wrote: »

Noone.

They own it.

It's either "No one" or "No-one".

It's never "Noone" Grrrrr!!! :mad:

This is fun! :pac:

(Unless Noone is a person... In which case, I apologize) :P

D0NNELLY

ThinkProgress wrote: »

It's either "No one" or "No-one"

It's never "Noone" Grrrrr!!! :mad:

This is fun! :pac:

No, it's not.

AlanG

neverever1 wrote: »

Anyone remember that the Guinness family were always opposed to Irish independence? Arthur Guinness himself was an informer to the British. They gave the uvf 100,000 in 1913 for them to buy weapons. They even considered dropping any connection to Ireland and saying they are strictly an English company in the 80's.

They are an English company. They moved their HQ to London in 1932 and have been an English company ever since. They are an English company that happen to own a brewery in Ireland, lots of Irish companies and land.

neverever1

AlanG wrote: »

They are an English company. They moved their HQ to London in 1932 and have been an English company ever since. They are an English company that happen to own a brewery in Ireland, lots of Irish companies and land.

Yes, their Irish image is a joke and they should be called up on it more often.

Dravokivich

neverever1 wrote: »

Yes, their Irish image is a joke and they should be called up on it more often.

Huh?

Their Irish Image is a great driver for Tourism and Hospitality industries here.

Nothing the Guinness' ever did was politically driven either. it was all down to economics. Their number one motivation was to sustain their business as much as possible. Hence the transfer of HQ to England. Would have been a good move to minimise tariffs.

D0NNELLY

neverever1 wrote: »

Yes, their Irish image is a joke and they should be called up on it more often.

Why?

DEFTLEFTHAND

They're actually native Irish. McGuinness, McCartan Clan. Arthur wrote about his family and their history.

I don't know about any claims re funding the UVF, I'll have to research it.

I do know that there were part of some sort of southern Unionist Alliance, along with the other big Irish business families like Arnotts, Odlums, Jacobs, Jameson.

That wasn't a particularly extreme or unusual viewpoint to hold pre 1916. Many average Irish people held similar political views.

neverever1

Dravokivich wrote: »

Huh?

Their Irish Image is a great driver for Tourism and Hospitality industries here.

Nothing the Guinness' ever did was politically driven either. it was all down to economics. Their number one motivation was to sustain their business as much as possible. Hence the transfer of HQ to England. Would have been a good move to minimise tariffs.

They're happy enough to be seen as Irish now as it makes them billions. Funding the uvf was an economic decision?

Gavinz

ThinkProgress wrote: »

It's either "No one" or "No-one".

It's never "Noone" Grrrrr!!! :mad:

This is fun! :pac:

(Unless Noone is a person... In which case, I apologize) :P

Kool.

FizzleSticks

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ohnonotgmail

neverever1 wrote: »

They're happy enough to be seen as Irish now as it makes them billions. Funding the uvf was an economic decision?

Do you have any actual evidence that they did fund the UVF? I would be very surprised if they funded a terrorist organisation

murpho999

neverever1 wrote: »

Yes, their Irish image is a joke and they should be called up on it more often.

Doesn't really matter where they are headquartered, the beer is brewed here and they have a huge Irish identity.

Also, I wouldn't drink it anywhere outside Ireland.

neverever1

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Do you have any actual evidence that they did fund the UVF? I would be very surprised if they funded a terrorist organisation

What do you want? A letter from them confirming this? I made a mistake earlier, it was 10,000 pounds. They not only funded a terrorist organisation but they assisted them also when they supplied equipment to the British army.

neverever1

murpho999 wrote: »

Doesn't really matter where they are headquartered, the beer is brewed here and they have a huge Irish identity.

Also, I wouldn't drink it anywhere outside Ireland.

I'm talking about their anti Irish history. They don't seem to mention that anymore now that their 'Irishness' is making them billions.