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Guinness lease

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  • #32
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,266 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Not supporting independence for Irish people was an approval of British murder and tyranny. There's no other way around this. You also ignore that they continued to oppose Irish independence up to the 80's and I assume they still do.

    Business interests trump moral scruples.

    I suppose you steer clear of any Guinness/Diageo products, do you? :D


  • #33
    wordofwarning
    Closed Accounts Posts: 696 ✭✭✭wordofwarning


    neverever1 wrote: »
    They even considered dropping any connection to Ireland and saying they are strictly an English company in the 80's.

    Do you know why they considered dropping the Irish connection in the 1980s? It is hard to sell a product heavily associated with Ireland, when Irish are well known for blowing up innocent people ie the IRA during their campaign


  • #34
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Business interests trump moral scruples.

    I suppose you steer clear of any Guinness/Diageo products, do you? :D

    Arthur Guinness was a British informant. They funded the uvf. This went a lot further than business interests.

    I sure do, any self respecting Irish person would. I just assume many don't realise these facts.


  • #35
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,266 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Arthur Guinness was a British informant. They funded the uvf. This went a lot further than business interests.

    I sure do, any self respecting Irish person would. I just assume many don't realise these facts.


    Good for you.


  • #36
    neverever1
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    wordofwarning wrote: »
    Do you know why they considered dropping the Irish connection in the 1980s? It is hard to sell a product heavily associated with Ireland, when Irish are well known for blowing up innocent people ie the IRA during their campaign

    If that was their issue then why would they want to be changed to been known as an English company? They've been blowing up a lot more people for a lot longer!


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  • #37
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Good for you.

    Ignoring the informing for the British and funding of loyalists?


  • #38
    ThinkProgress
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭ThinkProgress


    Gavinz wrote: »
    Noone.

    They own it.


    It's either "No one" or "No-one".

    It's never "Noone" Grrrrr!!! :mad:

    This is fun! :pac:

    (Unless Noone is a person... In which case, I apologize) :P


  • #39
    D0NNELLY
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭D0NNELLY


    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    It's either "No one" or "No-one"

    It's never "Noone" Grrrrr!!! :mad:

    This is fun! :pac:

    No, it's not.


  • #40
    AlanG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭AlanG


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Anyone remember that the Guinness family were always opposed to Irish independence? Arthur Guinness himself was an informer to the British. They gave the uvf 100,000 in 1913 for them to buy weapons. They even considered dropping any connection to Ireland and saying they are strictly an English company in the 80's.

    They are an English company. They moved their HQ to London in 1932 and have been an English company ever since. They are an English company that happen to own a brewery in Ireland, lots of Irish companies and land.


  • #41
    neverever1
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    AlanG wrote: »
    They are an English company. They moved their HQ to London in 1932 and have been an English company ever since. They are an English company that happen to own a brewery in Ireland, lots of Irish companies and land.

    Yes, their Irish image is a joke and they should be called up on it more often.


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  • #42
    Dravokivich
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    neverever1 wrote: »
    Yes, their Irish image is a joke and they should be called up on it more often.

    Huh?

    Their Irish Image is a great driver for Tourism and Hospitality industries here.

    Nothing the Guinness' ever did was politically driven either. it was all down to economics. Their number one motivation was to sustain their business as much as possible. Hence the transfer of HQ to England. Would have been a good move to minimise tariffs.


  • #43
    D0NNELLY
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭D0NNELLY


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Yes, their Irish image is a joke and they should be called up on it more often.

    Why?


  • #44
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    They're actually native Irish. McGuinness, McCartan Clan. Arthur wrote about his family and their history.

    I don't know about any claims re funding the UVF, I'll have to research it.

    I do know that there were part of some sort of southern Unionist Alliance, along with the other big Irish business families like Arnotts, Odlums, Jacobs, Jameson.

    That wasn't a particularly extreme or unusual viewpoint to hold pre 1916. Many average Irish people held similar political views.


  • #45
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Huh?

    Their Irish Image is a great driver for Tourism and Hospitality industries here.

    Nothing the Guinness' ever did was politically driven either. it was all down to economics. Their number one motivation was to sustain their business as much as possible. Hence the transfer of HQ to England. Would have been a good move to minimise tariffs.

    They're happy enough to be seen as Irish now as it makes them billions. Funding the uvf was an economic decision?


  • #46
    Gavinz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 171 ✭✭Gavinz


    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    It's either "No one" or "No-one".

    It's never "Noone" Grrrrr!!! :mad:

    This is fun! :pac:

    (Unless Noone is a person... In which case, I apologize) :P
    Kool.


  • #47
    FizzleSticks
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #48
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    neverever1 wrote: »
    They're happy enough to be seen as Irish now as it makes them billions. Funding the uvf was an economic decision?

    Do you have any actual evidence that they did fund the UVF? I would be very surprised if they funded a terrorist organisation


  • #49
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,956 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Yes, their Irish image is a joke and they should be called up on it more often.

    Doesn't really matter where they are headquartered, the beer is brewed here and they have a huge Irish identity.

    Also, I wouldn't drink it anywhere outside Ireland.


  • #50
    neverever1
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Do you have any actual evidence that they did fund the UVF? I would be very surprised if they funded a terrorist organisation

    What do you want? A letter from them confirming this? I made a mistake earlier, it was 10,000 pounds. They not only funded a terrorist organisation but they assisted them also when they supplied equipment to the British army.


  • #51
    neverever1
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    murpho999 wrote: »
    Doesn't really matter where they are headquartered, the beer is brewed here and they have a huge Irish identity.

    Also, I wouldn't drink it anywhere outside Ireland.

    I'm talking about their anti Irish history. They don't seem to mention that anymore now that their 'Irishness' is making them billions.


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  • #52
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,956 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    neverever1 wrote: »
    I'm talking about their anti Irish history. They don't seem to mention that anymore now that their 'Irishness' is making them billions.

    Well Guinness is not a family anymore or run by the same people as the time you are referring to.

    Think you should relax about it. Siemens made ovens that jews were burnt in during the holocaust but it does not make them a bad company.


  • #53
    Jurgen Klopp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Jurgen Klopp


    Sure didnt they refuse to hire Catholic brewers up until the 50s or 60s but were more than happy to sell it to them


  • #54
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    neverever1 wrote: »
    What do you want? A letter from them confirming this? I made a mistake earlier, it was 10,000 pounds. They not only funded a terrorist organisation but they assisted them also when they supplied equipment to the British army.

    something apart from "i say so" would be nice


  • #55
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    something apart from "i say so" would be nice

    Have you heard of google? You're welcome.


  • #56
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Have you heard of google? You're welcome.

    Generally when somebody makes a claim it is on them to back it. Clearly you favour "throw out lots of nonsense and hope i dont get called on it" school of debating.


  • #57
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Generally when somebody makes a claim it is on them to back it. Clearly you favour "throw out lots of nonsense and hope i dont get called on it" school of debating.

    Debating? :D This is the internet, stop taking it so seriously. If you're too lazy to google then it's not my problem.


  • #58
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Debating? :D This is the internet, stop taking it so seriously. If you're too lazy to google then it's not my problem.

    :rolleyes:


  • #59
    Beyondgone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    flanzer wrote: »
    Anyone know who they are leasing it off?

    Carlsberg. They do the best leases.


  • #60
    Persephone kindness
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Persephone kindness


    neverever1 wrote: »
    Ignoring the informing for the British and funding of loyalists?
    Arthur Guinness is dead. That was in 1913.


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  • #61
    Persephone kindness
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Persephone kindness


    By the way .. My Dad and my aunt (now deceased )were injured in the 1970's Dublin loyalist bombings..very minor ..but .they have let it go. We all know the loyalist violence was never anything in comparison to the Republican violence. And funding of violence of any kind is wrong.


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