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Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

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  • #2852
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    The West: Can we come to some kind of agreement to stop the violence?
    ISIS: We will not stop until you have been wiped out and we rule the entire world
    The West: What if we stop the bombings?
    ISIS: DEATH TO ALL INFIDELS!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The UK/Irish Gov: " lads can we come to some sort of agreement to stop the violence "
    The IRA " Brits out "
    The UK/Irish Gov " what if we help the situation ,take a few solderers off the streets "
    The IRA " Brits out now",

    This goes on for a bit until everyone realises the futility , but we the west need to be seen as honest brokers and we are far far away from that


  • #2853
    Beyondgone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    Overheal wrote: »
    Well that's certainly a measured response. Do you know what Mutually Assured Destruction is?

    We could, they couldn't. We're too polite to. If the shoe was on the other foot, they would. That's the crucial difference.


  • #2854
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    No they won't stop until everyone in the world is living in an Islamic Caliphate.
    These people can't be reasoned or compromised with.

    exactly what was said by certain sections of the UK re the North , by the south African state against the ANC, blahblah its called demonisation

    in that regard IS is far more inward looking and does not blame the West in the way Al-Quaeda did

    IS is a reaction to a situation , fix the situation and you " fix " ISIS


  • #2855
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Beyondgone wrote: »
    We could, they couldn't. We're too polite to. If the shoe was on the other foot, they would. That's the crucial difference.

    nonsense

    we cant wipe them out , to try would risk ww3 and wipe ourselves out.


  • #2856
    indioblack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭indioblack


    kopite386 wrote: »
    I don't know if people have seen this but I thought I'd share it here. At a vigil in Manchester a woman started to sing Don't Look Back in Anger and then the crowd joined in. I just wanted to share as I thought it was a beautiful sentimental thing amongst all the sadness. It brought tears to my eyes watching this.

    https://twitter.com/MeanwhileinCana/status/867711867967479808

    That was lovely. Thanks for posting it.


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  • #2857
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    Posters going on about MAD and WW3,who's going to nuke "the west" if Isis is slaughtered in the middle east?


  • #2858
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    I hear Corbyn is going to talk sense tomorrow and say that Britain's past actions is partly responsible for attacks like Manchester. Of course the average Brit won't like that but it's the truth!


  • #2859
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    neverever1 wrote: »
    I hear Corbyn is going to talk sense tomorrow and say that Britain's past actions is partly responsible for attacks like Manchester. Of course the average Brit won't like that but it's the truth!

    How do you know Britains actions had any influence on the bombers actions? As far as we know its more likely the teachings from local muslim figures of authority and islamic teachings which had a much larger impact on him carrying out this bombing. Of course you wont like that but its the truth


  • #2860
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    gitzy16v wrote: »
    Posters going on about MAD and WW3,who's going to nuke "the west" if Isis is slaughtered in the middle east?

    Wiping out ISIS in effect means wiping out large sections of the Sunni population, along with SA, and most of Iran

    ( in the context of our A-game as one poster mentioned)

    You think other nations would sit idly bye as this happens, Pakistan is a nuclear state for example

    our would you intend to flatten half the plant , Emperor Ming

    defeating ISIS today , will just cause IS 2.0 to arise, you have to address the underlying issues


  • #2861
    Beyondgone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    BoatMad wrote: »
    nonsense

    we cant wipe them out , to try would risk ww3 and wipe ourselves out.

    Lol. They'd wipe us out using what? Their best efforts are backpack bombs against our kids, or robbing a lorry and ramming people. They would in their hoop. You need to lift the head and have some deep breaths. The horse is so high, you're suffering oxygen deprivation.


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  • #2862
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,116 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    blanch152 wrote: »
    There are examples of this happening in history where peaceful civil disobedience descends into terrorist-type violence.

    Indeed, especially when they are subject to a terrorism themselves.

    You're a big fan of the so-called 'War on Terror' which is/was itself the greatest act of terrorism this century.

    I think your moral compass is wonky.


  • #2863
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    neverever1 wrote: »
    I hear Corbyn is going to talk sense tomorrow and say that Britain's past actions is partly responsible for attacks like Manchester. Of course the average Brit won't like that but it's the truth!

    well if he does he'll be doing political suicide,


  • #2864
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    BoatMad wrote: »
    Wiping out ISIS in effect means wiping out large sections of the Sunni population, along with SA, and most of Iran

    ( in the context of our A-game as one poster mentioned)

    You think other nations would sit idly bye as this happens, Pakistan is a nuclear state for example

    our would you intend to flatten half the plant , Emperor Ming

    Jesus relax...I only asked.
    Nobody is going to destroy SA or Iran...more likely they attack each other.


  • #2865
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Beyondgone wrote: »
    Lol. They'd wipe us out using what? Their best efforts are backpack bombs against our kids, or robbing a lorry and ramming people. They would in their hoop. You need to lift the head and have some deep breaths. The horse is so high, you're suffering oxygen deprivation.

    my replies were in the context of a poster that mentioned nuking the ME as a solution.

    we cant wipe out IS, to do that in reality youd need to wipe out a fair proportion of ME Sunnis

    Thats not possible in any reality

    sp lets leave all this extreme military nonsense, its not going to happen . no more then the UK could have flattened North Amargh


  • #2866
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    wakka12 wrote: »
    How do you know Britains actions had any influence on the bombers actions? As far as we know its more likely the teachings from local muslim figures of authority and islamic teachings which had a much larger impact on him carrying out this bombing. Of course you wont like that but its the truth

    Well first of all I'm going on what his sister said, I'm sure she knew him better than you? She said it was seeing children being killed in Middle Eastern countries that initiated his radicalisation.
    Then there's just looking at the obvious of course. Flattening countries and killing thousands of innocents is going to be a motivation for these kinds of people.
    The truth is there for all to see.


  • #2867
    BoatMad
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    gitzy16v wrote: »
    Jesus relax...I only asked.
    Nobody is going to destroy SA or Iran...more likely they attack each other.

    as I said my comment was in reply to a poster suggesting we could "nuke them all "

    After 10 years of immediate western military involvement , I think we can conclude it is and was a mess and made things immeasurably worse

    perhaps we ( the west ) need to take a step back


  • #2868
    BoatMad
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    Flattening countries and killing thousands of innocents is going to be a motivation for these kinds of people.
    The truth is there for all to see.

    yes , the surprise is people thinking there wont be consequences


  • #2869
    neverever1
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    fryup wrote: »
    well if he does he'll be doing political suicide,

    Probably, saying anything against Britains war machine does not go down well with the majority of Brits. They think their empire was a good thing even!


  • #2870
    BoatMad
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    neverever1 wrote: »
    Probably, saying anything against Britains war machine does not go down well with the majority of Brits. They think their empire was a good thing even!

    people dont like criticism when its warranted , a universal truth


  • #2871
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    BoatMad wrote: »
    yes , the surprise is people thinking there wont be consequences

    None of these will admit this but you can see something nasty coming through in some posts and when you hear it discussed on tv etc. They know that a huge number of innocents have been killed but they are okay with it. They don't count Muslims in these countries as equals, they see them all as below themselves. This makes it easier to ratrionalise the bombing campaigns in their heads.


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  • #2872
    Beyondgone
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    BoatMad wrote: »
    my replies were in the context of a poster that mentioned nuking the ME as a solution.

    we cant wipe out IS, to do that in reality youd need to wipe out a fair proportion of ME Sunnis

    Thats not possible in any reality

    sp lets leave all this extreme military nonsense, its not going to happen . no more then the UK could have flattened North Amargh

    No. See you've contradicted yourself there. We could wipe out Isis, but we're too nice to do it. It's about time they copped that fact. We accept, house, give preferred refugee status to them, and they spit in our faces. At some stage, you have to go, "ah here, this isn't working".


  • #2873
    wakka12
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    neverever1 wrote: »
    Well first of all I'm going on what his sister said, I'm sure she knew him better than you? She said it was seeing children being killed in Middle Eastern countries that initiated his radicalisation.
    Then there's just looking at the obvious of course. Flattening countries and killing thousands of innocents is going to be a motivation for these kinds of people.
    The truth is there for all to see.

    Or maybe he was just mentally ill and just looking for a scape goat to go on a rampage? Nobody knows why he did it but him. But plenty of people will use mental illness cover to defend islam, but if theyre blaming westerners then any mental illness discussion takes a backseat


  • #2874
    Junkyard Tom
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    neverever1 wrote: »
    Probably, saying anything against Britains war machine does not go down well with the majority of Brits. They think their empire was a good thing even!

    I think younger British people are much more critical of Britain's Imperial past. The majority of Britons were against the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Westminster voted against RAF airstrikes on Syria because they knew the electorate would punish them.


  • #2875
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    wakka12 wrote: »
    How do you know Britains actions had any influence on the bombers actions? As far as we know its more likely the teachings from local muslim figures of authority and islamic teachings which had a much larger impact on him carrying out this bombing. Of course you wont like that but its the truth

    I wouldn't bother. This is the poster who on a thread about Soviet atrocities in Czechoslovakia tried to justify it by citing the British bombing of Dresden. Now he is trying to justify a Muslim extremist killing 22 innocent people because Britain quelled a rebellion in Iraq 100 years ago.

    He's a one trick pony, no different to the weak minded fools who get radicalized by hate filled clerics.


  • #2876
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Nuking ME is not a solution, in fact it would only accomplish the opposite.
    Imagine UK nuking Derry in the 80s, do you think it would have stopped the IRA, or had opposite effect?

    I don't really know how to fix the ME but meddling in their conflicts and bombing the **** out of them isn't working so far as Busch and Obama can tell you.


  • #2877
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Or maybe he was just mentally ill and just looking for a scape goat to go on a rampage? Nobody knows why he did it but him. But plenty of people will use mental illness cover to defend islam, but if theyre blaming westerners then any mental illness discussion takes a backseat

    No one knows for sure but going by what his sister says and going by using a bit of common sense, the bombing campaign in Middle Eastern countries has a big roll to play in it.


  • #2878
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    neverever1 wrote: »
    No one knows for sure but going by what his sister says and going by using a bit of common sense, the bombing campaign in Middle Eastern countries has a big roll to play in it.

    Why do you believe his sister?
    It's a family of Islamic extremist sympathisers at best and full on participants at worst.


  • #2879
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I wouldn't bother. This is the poster who on a thread about Soviet atrocities in Czechoslovakia tried to justify it by citing the British bombing of Dresden. Now he is trying to justify a Muslim extremist killing 22 innocent people because Britain quelled a rebellion in Iraq 100 years ago.

    He's a one trick pony, no different to the weak minded fools who get radicalized by hate filled clerics.

    The thread wasn't about Soviet atrocities, I didn't try to justify anything and I'm not trying to justify anything now. Wrong, wrong and wrong again.


  • #2880
    BoatMad
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    I wouldn't bother. This is the poster who on a thread about Soviet atrocities in Czechoslovakia tried to justify it by citing the British bombing of Dresden. Now he is trying to justify a Muslim extremist killing 22 innocent people because Britain quelled a rebellion in Iraq 100 years ago.

    He's a one trick pony, no different to the weak minded fools who get radicalized by hate filled clerics.

    you do accept that history is a continuos process, and what happens todays often influenced by events that took place decades ago.( or more )
    no different to the weak minded fools

    while they may or may not be fools ( I've no evidence one way or the other ) . I suggest that a suicide bomber must be quite strong wiled in fact


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  • #2881
    neverever1
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    gitzy16v wrote: »
    Why do you believe his sister?
    It's a family of Islamic extremist sympathisers at best and full on participants at worst.

    What's his sister guilty of?


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