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Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

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  • #1712
    .........
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    Danzy wrote: »
    Well I don't see why the IRA are called terrorists but that aside, even English people make the above points and even Conservative ones.

    Over the years, the IRA killed loads of civilian women and kids just out on the streets shopping and going about their business, and not by accident. That is classic terrorism. It's pretty sickening to listen to people defend it now.


  • #1713
    Yourself isit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    blanch152 wrote: »
    When the debate descends to "your terrorists were worse than my terrorists", you know that the IRA apologists are in town.

    Simply put, there is no excuse for terrorist violence, be that ISIS, IRA, INLA, UVF, Taliban or anyone else. When I see people today saying that the IRA bombings in Manchester were ok because they gave warnings or that other bombings were ok because soldiers drank in the pubs or that other bombings were some other alphabet soup other than the IRA, I get sickened.

    Can you guys leave the defence of the IRA to one side for even one day?

    That's not what's happening. The defenders of this attack are comparing it to the IRA.


  • #1714
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Has the Guardian published its periodical response to incidents like this with a call to watch the Plebs and working class who might not turn the cheek, they might leave angry comments or think that these things are wrong.


  • #1715
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Different to what? The 99% of British muslims who just go about their daily lives and would never blow themselves up at a concert?

    Eh? You just were going on about how the different generations of Muslims behave differently.


  • #1716
    A Battered Mars Bar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭A Battered Mars Bar


    Absolutely powerful and rousing recital by the poet Tony Walsh at the vigil. Powerful. Words alone more powerful than all the bombs of these losers. Words alone have defeated last night's suicide bomber and his ilk, they are failures and losers....utter losers. Defiant is the good in the human spirit. These evil losers will always lose, these losers are nothing more than utter pathetic losers. Manchester we are stronger than ever.


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  • #1717
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    I can't help but notice on boards and elsewhere the distinct lack of the words "radical Islam".

    It seems we've subconsciously self-censored ourselves to avoid "offending" people. The PC attack dogs have done a great job at policing our language and defending the perpetrators. If these were republican/loyalist paramilitaries there would not be the same problem. Insane.


  • #1718
    neverever1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 864 ✭✭✭neverever1


    Yourself isit wrote: »
    So because 100 years ago the killing of innocents is ok? Sickening bullsh1t

    Where did I say that?


  • #1719
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    This Mass murderers family should be Deported back to Libya. All of his friends should be arrested and his Mosque bulldozed to the ground those who attended should be arrested and investigated. Anyone known or has been on a watch list should be rounded up across Europe and interned and that should be the beginning of getting a handle on these Islamic terrorists, yes we know that these are not migrants and they are nearly all born in Europe, but inviting in thousands upon thousands of migrants without proper vetting stop NGO's acting like taxis for migrants.
    This needs to be stopped now before more innocent children's life's are lost!


  • #1720
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Yourself isit wrote: »
    So because 100 years ago the killing of innocents is ok? Sickening bullsh1t

    I truly do fail to see how you can get that from that post.

    Honestly, are just just fishing for a reaction now to see if someone bites and gets banned?


  • #1721
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    A Battered Mars Bar wrote: »
    Absolutely powerful and rousing recital by the poet Tony Walsh at the vigil. Powerful. Words alone more powerful than all the bombs of theservice losers. Words alone have made last night's suicide bomber and his ilk failure's, losers....utter losers. Defiant is the good in the human spirit. These evil losers will always lose, these losers are nothing more than utter pathetic losers. Manchester we are stronger than ever.

    Yet the sad reality about not changing our Society, values etc etc is that it has already had a massive impact in many places and that will only accelerate.

    Checkpoints at concerts, crash barriers at Christmas, armed police and police snipers at crowded street festivals.

    Increased security spending, cuts to other things, events being cancelled, increased surveillance and and on.

    This attack will be eclipsed in time and that one in turn.

    The changes that these events will mean to European society will be profound and very negative.

    On the other hand I have suspicions that it will not be as mild as I presume.


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  • #1722
    tomofson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    This Mass murderers family should be Deported back to Libya. All of his friends should be arrested and his Mosque bulldozed to the ground those who attended should be arrested and investigated. Anyone known or has been on a watch list should be rounded up across Europe and interned and that should be the beginning of getting a handle on these Islamic terrorists, yes we know that these are not migrants and they are nearly all born in Europe, but inviting in thousands upon thousands of migrants without proper vetting stop NGO's acting like taxis for migrants.
    This needs to be stopped now before more innocent children's life's are lost!

    His family apparently already moved back to libya in the last few weeks, i stated a few minutes ago.

    And when has internment ever done anything but exacerbate an issue?


  • #1723
    DrWu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 250 ✭✭DrWu


    tomofson wrote: »
    Yeah i have been trying to move the thread past that and back on topic in case you haven't noticed.

    I do think it's an entirely relevant and healthy issue to raise.

    Manchester will stir up feelings for those of us old enough to have lived through the IRA campaign: The shame that the majority of decent Muslims must feel about what's happening in their name, and the feelings of horror when another atrocity happens. Decent Irish people felt the same.

    I also think it's very relevant to challenge people who want to vote for the IRA's representatives when they engaged in the same thing as what happened last night.


  • #1724
    Yourself isit
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    Danzy wrote: »
    Has the Guardian published its periodical response to incidents like this with a call to watch the Plebs and working class who might not turn the cheek, they might leave angry comments or think that these things are wrong.

    There's a few such articles. Also the police are investigating k Hopkins. Also the police warned against the plebs getting uppity.


  • #1725
    Yourself isit
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    DrWu wrote: »
    I do think it's an entirely relevant and healthy issue to raise.

    Manchester will stir up feelings for those of us old enough to have lived through the IRA campaign: The shame that the majority of decent Muslims must feel about what's happening in their name, and the feelings of horror when another atrocity happens. Decent Irish people felt the same.

    I also think it's very relevant to challenge people who want to vote for the IRA's representatives when they engaged in the same thing as what happened last night.

    No defender of the Ira here but by and large they didn't target civilians.

    Isis on the other hand attack the easiest of targets. Never the army.


  • #1726
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    Yourself isit wrote: »
    No defender of the Ira here but by and large they didn't target civilians.

    Rubbish, they murdered plenty of women and kids just out shopping.


  • #1727
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,852 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Yourself isit wrote: »
    That's not what's happening. The defenders of this attack are comparing it to the IRA.



    Let them, they are all terrorists who commit cold-blooded murder. I wouldn't defend any of them. If anyone wants to say that the ISIS guys are as guilty as the IRA guys, then fair enough - they are all guilty and all to be condemned, that is response enough, don't go defending the IRA.

    The only people who get upset by a comparison between ISIS and the IRA are those misguided Irish people who somehow think that what the IRA did was right. They can't resist jumping on social media and defending the IRA against the comparison - it is not just on boards that I see it.


  • #1728
    tomofson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    Can we move past the whole IRA thing seriously, and can we move past the whole "every muslim is bad thing" seriously can we not just get back on topic, like what is anyone even trying to prove by bringing up a group that hasn't been active in 20 years?


  • #1729
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,041 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I can't help but notice on boards and elsewhere the distinct lack of the words "radical Islam".

    It seems we've subconsciously self-censored ourselves to avoid "offending" people. The PC attack dogs have done a great job at policing our language and defending the perpetrators. If these were republican/loyalist paramilitaries there would not be the same problem. Insane.

    You kind of address your own point there. He IRA and UDA etc. were rarely referred to as 'Christian terrorists'.

    Whys it so important to yourself and Fox News, to refer to them by their religion?


  • #1730
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,261 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    DrWu wrote: »
    I do think it's an entirely relevant and healthy issue to raise.

    Manchester will stir up feelings for those of us old enough to have lived through the IRA campaign: The shame that the majority of decent Muslims must feel about what's happening in their name, and the feelings of horror when another atrocity happens. Decent Irish people felt the same.

    I also think it's very relevant to challenge people who want to vote for the IRA's representatives when they engaged in the same thing as what happened last night.

    You claim to be old enough to remember the shame of when the RA carried out bombings but then come out with absolute bollix like that

    lol, gtfo

    Even the most conservative of Tories would not say that what the IRA did is 'the same thing' as what happened last night.

    Yourself and Godge (blanch or whatever he's calling himself these days) should be feeling rather ashamed right now, nevermind for stuff that happened 30 years ago. You're using this atrocity as a political football to belittle and vilify those who use their democratic vote in a way you don't approve of. Very scummy


  • #1731
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    tomofson wrote: »
    Can we move past the whole IRA thing seriously, and can we move past the whole "every muslim is bad thing" seriously can we not just get back on topic, like what is anyone even trying to prove by bringing up a group that hasn't been active in 20 years?

    Because it's pretty sickening listening to people justify and whitewash the bombing of women and kids by Irish terrorists, on a thread about the recent bombing of women and kids by Muslim terrorists.


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  • #1732
    martingriff
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    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    This Mass murderers family should be Deported back to Libya. All of his friends should be arrested and his Mosque bulldozed to the ground those who attended should be arrested and investigated. Anyone known or has been on a watch list should be rounded up across Europe and interned and that should be the beginning of getting a handle on these Islamic terrorists, yes we know that these are not migrants and they are nearly all born in Europe, but inviting in thousands upon thousands of migrants without proper vetting stop NGO's acting like taxis for migrants.
    This needs to be stopped now before more innocent children's life's are lost!

    Just WOW seriously talk of the most over reaction reaction I have read. I know people are emotive here so am I not just because its another terrorist attack but because they targeted kids but sometimes we need to step back and take a deep breath. What has his family or friends (how far do we go here very close friends or work colleagues, just Islamic friends). How do you know where he was radicalised. Is it just Islamic extremists or any mass murder/killer.


  • #1733
    tomofson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    ......... wrote: »
    Because it's pretty sickening listening to people justify and whitewashing the bombing of women and kids by Irish terrorists, on a thread about the recent bombing of women and kids by Muslim terrorists.

    But "irish terrorists" shouldn't even be coming into it, their gone they dont exist anymore why bring them up when this is a whole new issue.


  • #1734
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    Help!!!! wrote: »
    You dont think there was Islamic terrorists before ISIS?? Muslims have been killing other Muslims & other faiths since Islam was started to say its been happening 5 minutes is idiotic

    The majority of Muslims are decent people.


  • #1735
    neverever1
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    Let them, they are all terrorists who commit cold-blooded murder. I wouldn't defend any of them. If anyone wants to say that the ISIS guys are as guilty as the IRA guys, then fair enough - they are all guilty and all to be condemned, that is response enough, don't go defending the IRA.

    The only people who get upset by a comparison between ISIS and the IRA are those misguided Irish people who somehow think that what the IRA did was right. They can't resist jumping on social media and defending the IRA against the comparison - it is not just on boards that I see it.

    I think the only real link between Irish freedom fighters and attacks by those from the Middle East is that Britain has slaughtered many in both lands.


  • #1736
    Yourself isit
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    ......... wrote: »
    Rubbish, they murdered plenty of women and kids just out shopping.

    They didn't target those deliberately.


  • #1737
    Yourself isit
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    martingriff wrote: »
    Just WOW seriously talk of the most over reaction reaction I have read. I know people are emotive here so am I not just because its another terrorist attack but because they targeted kids but sometimes we need to step back and take a deep breath. What has his family or friends (how far do we go here very close friends or work colleagues, just Islamic friends). How do you know where he was radicalised. Is it just Islamic extremists or any mass murder/killer.

    Apparantly his family have already gone back to Libya.


  • #1738
    Exeggcute
    Closed Accounts Posts: 402 ✭✭Exeggcute


    The celeb brigade are out in force calling for no borders.

    It's as stupid an idea as no immigration.

    How and why has this "no borders" guff become a fashionable thing with Hollywood types?

    Who is pushing that agenda?


  • #1739
    Irish Praetorian
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    Jayop wrote: »
    There's no simple fix. That's what I and others have been saying whilst being accused of everything up to justifying terrorism.

    Internment won't fix it
    Just stopping bombing won't fix it
    Not just supporting Saudi Arabia won't fix it
    Deportation of some suspects won't fix it
    Banning immigration won't fix it
    Force feeding Muslims Pork or burying them in pigs blood certainly won't fix it. (I'm still flabbergasted that these two were proffered as solutions)


    I'm not stupid enough to think that I'm smart enough to know how it should be fixed, but flashy slogans from both the left and the right won't solve a thing.

    I'd say the security services have a reasonably good record at stopping these things from happening, but that doesn't help those killed last night. So what should they do?

    Immigration needs to be limited and properly vetted. If they can't be vetted then they shouldn't get in.
    Radical clerics should if at all possible be removed. If they can be deported then do so. If they can be charged with a crime and locked up then do that.
    Stop supporting regimes that support ISIS and fund them. That seems a no brainer to me.
    And yeah, stop bombing people in the ME. It's not worked, it's never going to work and it's just making people more radical that are already here.

    Will those measures completely stop terrorism? Will they ****. They might help reduce it though.

    I could more or less get on board with all of that, but I fear the immigration issue is one where we come apart. As has been made clearly these attackers tend not to be born abroad, but are home grown, essentially citizens different in no substantial way from their fellow citizens except in their faith.

    It is an unfortunate but quite plausible state of affairs where today's refugees give birth to tomorrows terrorist. That has been the case in the UK where previous generations of migrants from South Asia have given birth to more radical and more extremist children.

    I would submit that we should adopt the the Japanese position on migration, emphasising low numbers, strenuous integration and a no tolerance attitude for mischief making. Such a policy would be of little use to the UK or France, etc, but for Ireland we might well save ourselves the trouble now facing our European partners.


  • #1740
    Ulysses Gaze
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    Yourself isit wrote: »
    They didn't target those deliberately.

    If you plant a bomb in a shopping centre or on a major street and set it off during the middle of the day, on the balance of probabilities, you are going to kill and maim women and children.


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  • #1741
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    tomofson wrote: »
    But "irish terrorists" shouldn't even be coming into it, their gone they dont exist anymore why bring them up when this is a whole new issue.

    Dissent republicans don't exist and haven't murdered anyone recently, news to me ? It was brought up in response to people claiming Irish republican terrorists are not terrorists and never carried out terrorist bombings. You might want that lie going unchallenged but decent people don't, and you're not going to silence them. So by all means drop the republican subject, but only when people cease the disgusting claim they are not terrorists and never blew up women and kids.


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