Sean Fitzpatrick to get off Scott Free

jackofalltrades · 23-05-2017 03:05PM

From the Irish Times article:

It emerged last year that documents relevant to the case had been shredded by ODCE solicitor Kevin O?Connell, who later sought medical treatment.

Anyone have anymore information on this?

Beta Ray Bill · 23-05-2017 03:53PM

knipex wrote: »

You cannot be jailed for making a mess,or for gambling only for committing a crime,,,, breaking the law..

The question is how many people actually broke the law and has the law been amended to ensure that anyone doing something similar again will a actually be breaking a law..

This is true, the issue here is the crime was so great that we don't have a law for it.

This man's recklessness has cost every single person in this country €6,250 each (working on a population of 4.8 million people)

He probably should have been tried for Treason, it may have gotten a bit further.

Gavinz · 23-05-2017 03:55PM

I'd have been more surprised had he been locked up tbh.

Disgraceful.

Snickers Man · 23-05-2017 03:56PM

Cyrus wrote: »

or an innocent man has had the best part of his retirement years taken from him for a political witch hunt.

Yes. He's like an Irish OJ Simpson.

You must be one of the people in this clip

Knock yourself out.

Are Am Eye · 23-05-2017 04:00PM

Scott is innocent.

Free Scott.

diomed · 23-05-2017 04:17PM

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meeeeh · 23-05-2017 04:17PM

Frances Fitzgerald has some star employees in her department. Even Sean Fitzpatrick should not be convicted just because of who he is. This just shows off the incompetence of ODCE.

diomed · 23-05-2017 04:19PM

How much compensation do we have to pay?

meeeeh · 23-05-2017 04:20PM

He got free legal aid.

CeilingFly · 23-05-2017 04:23PM

grahambo wrote: »

This is true, the issue here is the crime was so great that we don't have a law for it.

This man's recklessness has cost every single person in this country €6,250 each (working on a population of 4.8 million people)

He probably should have been tried for Treason, it may have gotten a bit further.

Is that figure from Sinn Fein or AAA?

The banking crisis and economic crash was worldwide. Values of property assets tumbled.

Any loans based on property assets became under pressure all over the world.

There was certainly some reckless lending, but most of the lending was quite normal for the market at that time.

knipex · 23-05-2017 04:41PM

CeilingFly wrote: »

Is that figure from Sinn Fein or AAA?

The banking crisis and economic crash was worldwide. Values of property assets tumbled.

Any loans based on property assets became under pressure all over the world.

There was certainly some reckless lending, but most of the lending was quite normal for the market at that time.

Its 30 billion (amount state invested in Anglo) divided by 4.8 million.

However 30 billion is roughly 15% of the national debt...

We owed 40 billion in 2006 and 200billion in 2017

only 30 billion went into Anglo. That leaves 130 billion that didn't go into Anglo..

2012paddy2012 · 23-05-2017 04:44PM

Nope. Prosecutor shedding papers defence were entitled to. He will get soon to be announced pay rise and huge pension with no repercussions. Should be sacked.

Persephone kindness · 23-05-2017 05:05PM

He was acquitted by a Jury that deliberated. He was found not guilty of providing unlawful financial assistance to 10 individuals (the maple 10). A judge ordered he be acquitted of charges to do with the Quinn. Loans.

What can you do? I may disagree with a Jury verdict. But it is what it is. He was found innocent. That is the system

There are more individuals to face charges regarding providing unlawful financial assistance to the Maple ten and the Quinn loans. So we shall see what happens there.

Jury acquitted him.

It's hard to get fired up about it though right now.

CeilingFly · 23-05-2017 05:12PM

knipex wrote: »

Its 30 billion (amount state invested in Anglo) divided by 4.8 million.

However 30 billion is roughly 15% of the national debt...

We owed 40 billion in 2006 and 200billion in 2017

only 30 billion went into Anglo. That leaves 130 billion that didn't go into Anglo..

No dispute on the figure, but every euro of loss can't be laid at the door of one person. The AAA brigade will mouth off stuff like that but its just their usual soundbites.

I do reckon that senior figures knew it was a basket case in mid 2008 and hoped that the market would recover and trued anything and everything to delay what became the inevitable.

But remember a year previously Anglo was stated to be the best performing bank in the world by the influential Oliver Wyman and was lauded at the Davos economic forum

But once the financial house of cards started falling around the world, any bank that depended on property assets was in trouble.

Mr.Micro · 23-05-2017 05:47PM

Friends in high places, you don't need a jury when the judge decides for them. Let him sue the state now for a big settlement. Only in lreland the delinquent EU member.

Mr.Micro · 23-05-2017 05:53PM

They should not bother bringing Drumm to trial and waste more tax payers money, it will go the same way. No jury needed either, if it goes go to trial, the judge will decide.

23-05-2017 05:56PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Friends in high places, you don't need a jury when the judge decides for them. Let him sue the state now for a big settlement. Only in lreland the delinquent EU member.

The Judge didn't shred the evidence.

A real cock up. Hard questions need to be directed at the ODCE and its staff and procedures. If a Solicitor in private practice did that, he'd be looking at his insurance policy and waiting for the claim.

Persephone kindness · 23-05-2017 05:58PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Friends in high places, you don't need a jury when the judge decides for them. Let him sue the state now for a big settlement. Only in lreland the delinquent EU member.

The jury did deliberate on charges to to with the Maple 10. It was only charges on the Quinn Loans the judge ordered an acquittal.

I don't mean to defend him. I think he is immoral. But just to be clear.

The jury themselves acquitted him of the Maple 10 charges.

There are more individuals to face charges I have heard. I wonder if that had bearing on the judges decision.

Mr.Micro · 23-05-2017 06:01PM

Persephone kindness wrote: »

The jury did deliberate on charges to to with the Maple 10. It was only charges on the Quinn Loans the judge ordered an acquittal.

I don't mean to defend him. I think he is immoral. But just to be clear.

The jury themselves acquitted him of the Maple 10 charges.

There are more individuals to face charges I have heard. I wonder if that had bearing on the judges decision.

They should just let it go now. The prosecution are not up to scratch. Billions wasted and now this none sense of pretend trials.

Persephone kindness · 23-05-2017 06:03PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

They should just let it go now. The prosecution are not up to scratch. Billions wasted and now this none sense of pretend trials.

I am not so certain that would be wise. But I can certainly understand your frustration of course.

Mehapoy · 23-05-2017 06:04PM

super_furry wrote: »

Seems like the prosecutors made an absolute mess of it, totally missed what should have been an open goal.

You'd wonder why they messed up so badly and why drumm was extradited back to not face justice...if you were cynical about the elites in this country...

CeilingFly · 23-05-2017 06:35PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Friends in high places, you don't need a jury when the judge decides for them. Let him sue the state now for a big settlement. Only in lreland the delinquent EU member.

You're ridiculous - you can't sue the state for being not guilty of a case brought against you.

Remember in Ireland and most civilised societies you are innocent til proven guilty.

Not that it matters to the gutter press and their readers.

Kristopherus · 24-05-2017 12:16AM

Cyrus wrote: »

a waste of time, total posturing by FG and the AG, Fitzpatrick was never going to go to jail for any of these 'crimes' and now the judge has ordered an acquittal.

I called this at the time on a thread only to be abused on a height from those slobbering at the mouth looking for someone to be jailed for something.

someone has to commit a crime to be imprisoned.

Well, are'nt you a great fella for that inciteful post:rolleyes:. If memory serves me right, the FG crowd were not in power in 2010;).

Yourself isit · 24-05-2017 01:20AM

So the main prosecutor for the ODCE gave evidence in the first trial but then goes back to his office and notices, for the first time, some evidence - apparantly hand written - that he hadn't disclosed before. Noticed this for the first time the day he gave his final evidence. Even though there it was. Even though he probably wrote it.

His reaction to this discovery which obviously wasn't going to help the case was to harm the case further by shredding of burning the documents. He then told everybody about it in an email and went home.

Mr.Micro · 24-05-2017 02:22AM

CeilingFly wrote: »

You're ridiculous - you can't sue the state for being not guilty of a case brought against you.

Remember in Ireland and most civilised societies you are innocent til proven guilty.

Not that it matters to the gutter press and their readers.

I was being facetious. The man never admitted any wrong doing. He may well feel affronted to have been charged with crimes in the first place, tried and since acquited. Hence a possible case for wrongful arrest, and taking his good name ? etc.etc. 126 day trial and the facts about the shredding of documents was known a long time ago. Legal arguments aside, it is only today the case was thrown out. It beggars belief. Roll on the next debacle, so the clowns can mess it up again and beat the record of 126 days and all get big fees with the compliments of the taxpayer.

Mr.Micro · 24-05-2017 02:26AM

Yourself isit wrote: »

So the main prosecutor for the ODCE gave evidence in the first trial but then goes back to his office and notices, for the first time, some evidence - apparantly hand written - that he hadn't disclosed before. Noticed this for the first time the day he gave his final evidence. Even though there it was. Even though he probably wrote it.

His reaction to this discovery which obviously wasn't going to help the case was to harm the case further by shredding of burning the documents. He then told everybody about it in an email and went home.

Something not right about that....lol. Conscientious or helpful. The latter perhaps, in hindsight.

please helpThank YOU · 24-05-2017 03:05AM

Sean Fitzpatrick was a Scapegoat from day one hope he sues the state big time.

political analyst · 24-05-2017 03:24AM

Yourself isit wrote: »

So the main prosecutor for the ODCE gave evidence in the first trial but then goes back to his office and notices, for the first time, some evidence - apparantly hand written - that he hadn't disclosed before. Noticed this for the first time the day he gave his final evidence. Even though there it was. Even though he probably wrote it.

His reaction to this discovery which obviously wasn't going to help the case was to harm the case further by shredding of burning the documents. He then told everybody about it in an email and went home.

Why did he do it?

24-05-2017 04:00AM

political analyst wrote: »

Why did he do it?

It looks like the ODCE made a series of mistakes and screw ups due to inexperience, the allegation was that they coached witnesses and allowed cross contamination of statements, remarkably to the point where Solicitors for the witnesses' own employers noted the problem and raised concerns.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0203/849993-concerns-gardai-did-not-buy-into-fitzpatrick-probe/

Why did he do it? Why would evidence that tends to paint the prosecution in a bad light go missing? Again, the ODCE should face hard questions.

10000maniacs · 24-05-2017 07:16AM

I remember the same day that Fitzpatrick's trial was postponed last year there was a report in one of the newspapers that a single mother was going to prison for non payment of a fecking tv licence.
This woman like most others was thousands less better off as a direct direct result of the schanigans that went on at Anglo Irish.
I was sick to my stomach and even sicker yesterday.

Sean Fitzpatrick to get off Scott Free

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