Sean Fitzpatrick to get off Scott Free

Snickers Man

A judge is to rule that Sean Fitzpatrick be acquitted of all charges in his long running court case. A gang of jurors have been hanging around, at their own expense no doubt, since before Christmas only to be told their decision making efforts will not be necessary.

The Irish Times has the story here

I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say I'm delighted for the little c-word.

That's "chap". What did you think I meant?

RayM

Good day to bury bad news.

Danbo!

Silly me holding out a tiny shred of hope that justice would be served.

super_furry

Seems like the prosecutors made an absolute mess of it, totally missed what should have been an open goal.

jobbridge4life

Unbelievable. There needs to be firings and a thorough independent investigation of what went wrong.

Cyrus

a waste of time, total posturing by FG and the AG, Fitzpatrick was never going to go to jail for any of these 'crimes' and now the judge has ordered an acquittal.

I called this at the time on a thread only to be abused on a height from those slobbering at the mouth looking for someone to be jailed for something.

someone has to commit a crime to be imprisoned.

gramar

Snickers Man wrote: »

A judge is to rule that Sean Fitzpatrick be acquitted of all charges in his long running court case. A gang of jurors have been hanging around, at their own expense no doubt, since before Christmas only to be told their decision making efforts will not be necessary.

The Irish Times has the story here

I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say I'm delighted for the little c-word.

That's "chap". What did you think I meant?

Cunt...crook...criminal...cad...cocksucker....perhaps?

Shurimgreat

Not that surprising really, but how much did the whole case cost and why is it only now and not on day 1 that the judge ordered an acquittal? This has cost the taxpayer tens of millions.

So again the question is, why did the judge allow it go this far before ordering an acquittal? Surely a quick review of the evidence at the start would have told him all he needed to know.

ChikiChiki

RayM wrote: »

Good day to bury bad news.

My exact thought when I seen this.....

Wombatman

Bet the Enron lads sent to jail for 24 years wish they were Irish.

Lady Chatterton

Tis a great little country :mad:

Lady Chatterton

Shurimgreat wrote: »

So again the question is, why did the judge allow it go this far before ordering an acquittal? Surely a quick review of the evidence at the start would have told him all he needed to know.

Something new may have come to light... like for example - a juror having inappropriate contact with a party in the case?

Persephone kindness

super_furry wrote: »

Seems like the prosecutors made an absolute mess of it, totally missed what should have been an open goal.

It was the country’s longest running criminal trial. When the jury for Sean Fitzpatrick’s case was being selected, directions were given to jurors to exclude themselves if they had been strongly affected by the banking crisis, had been active in any campaigning groups, had been involved in anti-austerity protests, or had expressed themselves on social media about the banking crisis.

Thus avoiding selection. My plan worked perfectly:D!

In all seriousness. Delaying tactics , they stacked the jury and it's a day to bury news. I didn't expect him to end up in mountjoy but we need some form of reprimand for financial crime.

SteM

I was up for jury selection for this case back in September, thank God I wasn't picked.

Persephone kindness

Lady Chatterton wrote: »

Someone new may have come to light... like for example - a juror having inappropriate contact with a party in the case?

Lol this was not the first judge. His legal team had the first judge recused.

ThisRegard

I doubt today was chosen purposely for the judge to acquit him. If nothing happened last night do people think the trial would have gone ahead, or strung along until the next worldwide event?

seamus

Snickers Man wrote: »

A gang of jurors have been hanging around, at their own expense no doubt

No, jurors don't sit around at their own expense. Their employers are obliged to continue paying them and any reasonable expenses are claimable.

It's not a well-paying or fun gig, but you're not left out of pocket.

Persephone kindness

SteM wrote: »

I was up for jury selection for this case back in September, thank God I wasn't picked.

They had to pause it because Jurors had unavoidable personal issues and were sick of getting new jurors. INSANE!

Some of them missed their holidays! :eek:

Persephone kindness

ThisRegard wrote: »

I doubt today was chosen purposely for the judge to acquit him. If nothing happened last night do people think the trial would have gone ahead, or strung along until the next worldwide event?

Puts it in perspective though.

Lux23

super_furry wrote: »

Seems like the prosecutors made an absolute mess of it, totally missed what should have been an open goal.

How exactly? He probably wasn't guilty of anything. There was far too much political pressure put on the Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement to charge him and they would have been pilloried for not doing anything. The whole thing was a farce from the start to finish just like the Joan Burton/jobstown trial.

biko

Who is Scott Free?

Dyr

In the 10 years since we figured out that our banks had endangered the existence of the state has any legislation been enacted to ensure it never happens again?

Has the offences against the state (enacted for the very purpose of protecting the states existence we were told) been amended so it can be used against the next wave of seanies and drummos?

Has it ****, business as usual

valoren

What else could be expected.

The only consolation is that his reputation is completely and thoroughly destroyed.
While he may have been acquitted but his reputation is irrevocably damaged.
Your reputation is everything. You may enjoy the finest in material possession, but if your reputation is gone, it's all for nothing.

While he may not serve any prison time, he will now continue to enjoy a special kind of prison.
Where he is a pariah, an outcast, an embarrassment to his friends and family.

For all his charm and his talents, in the final summation, he is nothing but a crook despite what the courts will say.
Look at his expression in that IT article. He's a broken man. He knows everyone thinks he is a crook.
There is some solace in that for me.

Shurimgreat

Is there such a thing as testing a case pretrial in this country? Or if the evidence meets a minimum threshold to make conviction likely.

It seems to be some cases go the whole way through a trial with little or no prospect of a conviction.

Unless this particular trial was just for show.

Assetbacked

Finally, a good news story.

We all partied.

TallGlass

Why out of interest is there only one judge on a case of such importance? Should there not have been two at minimum.

Can the state appeal this.

Has anyone actually been jailed for the mess that was caused. I think if I recall, a grand total of 1 person?

ChikiChiki

valoren wrote: »

What else could be expected.

The only consolation is that his reputation is completely and thoroughly destroyed.
While he may have been acquitted but his reputation is irrevocably damaged.
Your reputation is everything. You may enjoy the finest in material possession, but if your reputation is gone, it's all for nothing.

While he may not serve any prison time, he will now continue to enjoy a special kind of prison.
Where he is a pariah, an outcast, an embarrassment to his friends and family.

For all his charm and his talents, in the final summation, he is nothing but a crook despite what the courts will say.
Look at his expression in that IT article. He's a broken man. He knows everyone thinks he is a crook.
There is some solace in that for me.

But he got acquitted so its all grand. Will probably earn himself a nice little consultancy gig.

This is Ireland where lessons are not learned and memories are short. And accountability is practically non existant.

SEPT 23 1989

After last nights events its difficult to get animated by a parasite like this

red ears

It will get worse, wait till he sues the state and gets a massive payoff. Isn't' that the way it works here for people like him.

murpho999

Who is Scott Free and what was Sean Fitzpatrick doing on him in the first place?

Dyr

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Is there such a thing as testing a case pretrial in this country? Or if the evidence meets a minimum threshold to make conviction likely.

It seems to be some cases go the whole way through a trial with little or no prospect of a conviction.

Unless this particular trial was just for show.

The offences against the state act has a very low threshold for burden of proof, basically a senior member of CAB telling the judge that Seanie is guilty as f**k

but heaven forbid that members of the elite every be stuck up in front of the SCC

thebaz

Why am I not shocked that justice was not served - the amount of misery Anglo put on so many in the country and the chief walks free - What did the whole process achieve apart from making well heeled legal eagles more well heeled - I despair really - I give up

Dr Crayfish

SteM wrote: »

I was up for jury selection for this case back in September, thank God I wasn't picked.

ha, we must have been in the same room, I was picked then thrown off as I knew one of the junior counsel apparently. I was looking forward to a break from work but 8 months ffs!

TheQuietFella

When you lay the rails, the train can only run one way!!!

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red ears wrote: »

It will get worse, wait till he sues the state and gets a massive payoff. Isn't' that the way it works here for people like him.

Yip, that's what I was thinking. He is either guilty OR has been mistreated.

Next up, Fingers to get a pat on the back by judge for the amazing contribution he has made to Irish homeowners.

take everything

People are up in arms about this but when you actually look at what he did:

It's not like he refused to pay his TV licence.
Overreaction tbh.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Seems like if you're going to commit massive fraud in this country it's best to make it as huge and complicated as possible. That way on the off chance you do get caught it'll be too complicated for Joe soap to understand and you'll get off on a technicality. Great system.

washman3

ThisRegard wrote: »

I doubt today was chosen purposely for the judge to acquit him. If nothing happened last night do people think the trial would have gone ahead, or strung along until the next worldwide event?

Why wasn't he acquitted yesterday then...???

Snickers Man

gramar wrote: »

Cunt...crook...criminal...cad...cocksucker....perhaps?

Why I don't know the meaning of those words

washman3

seamus wrote: »

No, jurors don't sit around at their own expense. Their employers are obliged to continue paying them and any reasonable expenses are claimable.

It's not a well-paying or fun gig, but you're not left out of pocket.

A self-employed person would be left seriously out of pocket.

P.S. that is if he still has work after the antics of Seanie and his pals.

Snickers Man

seamus wrote: »

No, jurors don't sit around at their own expense. Their employers are obliged to continue paying them and any reasonable expenses are claimable.

It's not a well-paying or fun gig, but you're not left out of pocket.

You are if you're self employed. Big time!

AngryLoner

Well, I don't actually believe this is a case of "them" protecting their own. Sure, nothing would suit them better than to have a lightning rod like Fitzpatrick making them all look above board.

No, unfortunately, I think this is just another simple case of civil service incompetence.

washman3

Bambi wrote: »

In the 10 years since we figured out that our banks had endangered the existence of the state has any legislation been enacted to ensure it never happens again?

Has the offences against the state (enacted for the very purpose of protecting the states existence we were told) been amended so it can be used against the next wave of seanies and drummos?

Has it ****, business as usual

And who exactly is going to change it?? the FF,FG,LAB politicans.?
Many of them were up to their necks in all this in the first place. :mad:

Boaty

He got off because he's not guilty so get over it, you lot would be delighted if someone got let off for not paying their taxes. We can't have double standards.

seamus

Snickers Man wrote: »

You are if you're self employed. Big time!

Self-employed people are always excused on that that basis, if they request to be.

washman3

valoren wrote: »

What else could be expected.

The only consolation is that his reputation is completely and thoroughly destroyed.
While he may have been acquitted but his reputation is irrevocably damaged.
Your reputation is everything. You may enjoy the finest in material possession, but if your reputation is gone, it's all for nothing.

While he may not serve any prison time, he will now continue to enjoy a special kind of prison.
Where he is a pariah, an outcast, an embarrassment to his friends and family.

For all his charm and his talents, in the final summation, he is nothing but a crook despite what the courts will say.
Look at his expression in that IT article. He's a broken man. He knows everyone thinks he is a crook.
There is some solace in that for me.

Do you honestly think this bothers him in the slightest.??
The only difference between this guy and John Gilligan is that Seanie wears a suit. Scum of the earth.!!

SteM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

ha, we must have been in the same room, I was picked then thrown off as I knew one of the junior counsel apparently. I was looking forward to a break from work but 8 months ffs!

I was dismissed because I'm originally from Greystones

washman3

Boaty wrote: »

He got off because he's not guilty so get over it, you lot would be delighted if someone got let off for not paying their taxes. We can't have double standards.

Good morning Drummie... is that you.??

washman3

The prosecution,defence,judge and of course Seanie all fly off to the South of France for a game of golf....:D

Dr Crayfish

SteM wrote: »

I was dismissed because I'm originally from Greystones

I was a bit gutted that I never got to see what kind of spread would be put out for breakfast and lunch

lawred2

Snickers Man wrote: »

A judge is to rule that Sean Fitzpatrick be acquitted of all charges in his long running court case. A gang of jurors have been hanging around, at their own expense no doubt, since before Christmas only to be told their decision making efforts will not be necessary.

The Irish Times has the story here

I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say I'm delighted for the little c-word.

That's "chap". What did you think I meant?

Maybe he didn't do anything illegal according to Irish law.

And I bet whatever he did is still not illegal under Irish law.