Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

rondog wrote: »

Theres in justice all over the world but that doesnt inspire people to pack on explosives and purposely target little children.
Western forces are massacring Muslin children on a daily basis and we don't even hear about.
No one has the answers of how we stop ALL children from being targeted so unfortunately this will go on and on.

You are wrong
When children are killed by western forces it is not taken lightly and we hear a whole lot about it .

take everything wrote: »

RIP to all those who died.
I can't imagine how Ireland would deal with something like this.
We seem completely unprepared.

Just in relation to this; how can you say this?

Prepared in what way?

How was Britain prepared for last night?

How should we prepare for a guy walking to the entrance of a foyer and blowing himself up?

Of course our military and Garda numbers and equipment are less but they do have plans. Also our hospitals would have emergency plans but I just don't understand how you can saw we're unprepared when nothing has happened here yet.

I have yet to see any country properly prepared for the attacks that have happened since 2001.

neverever1 wrote: »

They don't just go around killing anyone because some holy Joe told them to. There has to be something to anger them, to rile them, for the clerics to use as motivation. Telling them about Middle Eastern countries getting flattened and many Muslims getting slaughtered is that motivation.
Look at any statement from some British muslims who've been radicalised, they all state that Britain's war efforts are one of the main reasons for their hate. It's the same with those radicalised in France and elsewhere.

So why do they kill people in India,Pakistan etc? It is because their Holy book tells them to

jacksie66 wrote: »

Saw that. It's insane. But you see the normal everyday Muslims condemning and attacking these hate preachers who are spreading bile and hatred on the streets.
The normal everyday Muslim is as opposed to these scumbags as anyone else.

I don't doubt it - in fact you see both sides in the documentary but in spite of these people being in the minority they are still able to propagate their message despite best efforts

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Internment won't work. There will just be replacements with more commitment - which is/was the result of internment everywhere else in the world.
More bombing won't work either mind you, but the western governments and the arms companies they support are not ready to 'realise' that yet. too much money to be made.

So what do you do with the thousands, and yes the police forces of continental EU states have admitted it, of radicalised young men ?

We saw how someone on a watch list, and earmarked for repatriation to his home country, managed to hijack a truck, kills it's driver and mow down innocent people in Germany.
We saw a young man that had tried to reach ISIS in Syria manged to evade his curfew, his electronic tagging and go slaughter a priest saying mass in a sleepy village.

Do you just say we can't intern these people because it didn't work before.
These people are ticking time bombs and they can't be monitored 24/7 365 days a year.

Somebody like you should be dragged along to face the victims of the next terrorist attack, where the attacker was already well known to security services, to tell the victims that you wouldn't have agreed with their attacker being incarcerated on the likelihood they would attack someone.

wonderfullife wrote: »

Do you want to take a look at the increasing need for funds for mental health awareness and the % of the demographic vulnerable to suicidal ideation too?

We can only go on actual facts.

The facts are Islamic Terrorism has killed less people in the UK in the past decade than peanut-allergy deaths.

Waffling on about how awful Islam is doesn't change that fact.

Congratulations for downplaying islamist terrorism threat below that of peanut allergies.

How many kids died from peanuts at last nights gig ?

Also the only one that dies from a peanut is the one that is allergic and they can take precautions to alleviate the risks.

The kids standing next to them don't die from it, the guy standing two feet away doesn't, the woman walking past doesn't.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Solve that and the rest will wither on the vines of their homelands without the need for a war or military front. The boot boys need to take a break, this will not be solved by military might.

Either they get wiped out, of they'll keep bombing everyone else until everyone else decides to join their faith.

Pretty much what the church did during the crusades in the middle ages, and more recently, what Hitler did; wipe out everyone not part of their little club.

The religious fanatics believe that their god is the only god, etc, etc, and everyone else either converts or should die.

jacksie66 wrote: »

But you see the normal everyday Muslims condemning and attacking these hate preachers who are spreading bile and hatred on the streets.
The normal everyday Muslim is as opposed to these scumbags as anyone else.

They are also seen as the enemy. I think ISIS have actually killed more Muslims so far than westerns, as there are more muslims in ISIS's backyard.

When the bombings happen, groups such as Britain First try their best to assist ISIS by attempting to send any muslims to ISIS, so that ISIS can convert/kill them.

Police have identified Salman Abedi as the bomber. He was 22 and English born to Libyan parents.

Skimmed this thread, saw a lot of the usual responses and a bunch of hand-wringers and whataboutists.

For those trying to bring the IRA into the conversation...that's whataboutism and as far as I'm concerned its in the past. And they don't draw equal in many regards with the detail anyway. I'm more concerned with what is happening NOW, the problem presented NOW.

Theres the usual "not all muslims" arguments. The thing is, that isn't an argument, that's a way of shutting down conversation and conclusion. So what if its not all muslims? Now what? Whats the end-game or conclusion of this non-thought? Whats the actionable element of this "idea"?

Without going into the nitty gritty detail (because I'm not writing policy on an internet message board, and no, youre not making a point by calling out lack of detail).....we need to look to the future and how best to secure it for ourselves, while protecting from "others".

Isolationism is the basic answer. Not in terms of economics or culture, but strictly in terms of immigration. We, as a nation and people with abundance of resource, need to protect it.

In just one example of very many, when the temperature keeps increasing on the planet and vast areas become uninhabitable or at least a major struggle.....what will the hand-wringers do with the increasing millions upon millions of people that will try to get here? And if you think that's too far away to worry about, I f88888king guarantee you that you'll see it in our lifetime.

So whats that got to do with English children being killed by "others"? It has everything to do with it! A few people move permanently to another country/culture/race/ethnicity....fine. They will probably blend in. The real problems start when more and more come and they start grouping together (tale as old as time). That increasingly large group, naturally at odds with the indigenous group, will, naturally, want their own say. They will want their environment to suit themselves and THEIR culture, THEIR ideas, THEIR way of life. That's the long way to see Ireland disappear.

That increasing sub-population provides cover for the more extreme elements, it provides a place to hide, to gather resource for attack, to gather recruits, to gather information, a shelter to retreat to. This is the quick way to see Ireland change for the worse.

Theres a reason you wont see this crap happening in Iceland, or south Korea or Japan and more, that's because they are a unified people looking out for themselves intelligently. There is a reason that this crap has happened in Germany, England, France etc, its because they are a mixed race of peoples with wildly differing ideas on society, they are not unified.

There are only so many lifeboats on this sinking ship, and we'll be smart to grab one of the first.

And to the people who say that "if we change our way of life because we're getting killed, we allow the terrorists to win!!"............holy sh8888t! What an incredibly, INCREDIBLY stupid point of view. It amounts to "lets do nothing, THEN the people that want to kill us will go away!".

The poor children who just had their brains splattered across their own country, you, the public, the real europeans, OWE them to f888cking well DO something, and QUICK!!!

Exeggcute wrote: »

"We treat them in the same way. Those who kill our women and innocent, we kill their women and innocent, until they refrain." - Osama Bin Laden
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This is where I think some governments and people might be a bit disingenuous. If the above is true then the oft repeated "they hate our way of life and that's why they attack us" is an over simplification bordering on a lie.

Do these people attack "The West" because they hate how we live or because they think some Western countries have been complicit in the unlawful killing of Muslims in the Middle East? Maybe there is no one answer to that but if we accept that the latter is a possibility then it makes this a very different and more complex issue that shouldn't be dismissed with "they're evil and hate us and that's all there is to it."

That said, it goes without saying that attacking an arena of teenage girls (primarily) is disgusting. Having young kids myself, this one hit me harder this morning than other, equally vile, attacks have. The post earlier in this thread where the poster saw a 7 year old die without her parents was gut wrenching.