Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

neverever1 · 23-05-2017 04:23PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

you seem to have a common theme in all your posts.

But hey, whats a few dead Brits eh? the scum probably deserved it, right?

Seriously, what is wrong with you?

23-05-2017 04:23PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I'm sure Mrs. May will oblige by taking away your rights as soon as she gets you out from under the tyrannical thumb of the International Courts.

No more innocent until proven guilty, evidence in court, get a warrant stuff, just kick in doors and shoot people.

yes, yes, beautifully argued im sure *sigh*

razorblunt · 23-05-2017 04:24PM

Danzy wrote: »

Prediction.

The authorities and mainstream politicians will continue with the lah di da approach of "diversity is our strength and value",PR speak, a stream of talk about solidarity and coming together, while the bodies pile up, and other victims as well.

Repeated ad nauseum after this event and the next 30, people will get so sick of politicians refusing to engage or admit that their is a problem that they will turn to those who will and they may not be nice people but when you keep patronizing voters and shutting them down they have a way to send a message at the ballot box.

It is already sending the Left to the political edges in many parts of Europe.

I dread to think what an attack like this would do in France, things like that can lead to civil conflict.

Like the civil conflict after the Paris attacks?

Danzy · 23-05-2017 04:27PM

razorblunt wrote: »

Like the civil conflict after the Paris attacks?

As you know well, targeting children is a pressure point for any society.

I think it is only a matter of time before the Islamists are successful in targeting a School, it has already been attempted.

You have 2 or 300 hundred dead kids in a School in France and people will finally start to snap.

Given the attitude of so many politicians to this, it will get ugly.

Refusing to deal with a serious problem will engender a bigger one.

Persephone kindness · 23-05-2017 04:27PM

kopite386 wrote: »

Just saw this - the images he will have in his mind will live with him forever, pulling nails out of a little girl's face
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/867001780193898498

This homeless man is a helper.

neverever1 · 23-05-2017 04:27PM

Yourself isit wrote: »

Sorry. The kind of attitude "the Brits deserved it" is in fact appalling justification. Just as it was during day as in the omagh bombings.

Also the people who are saying "deport them" are not the same as those of us decrying the justification of mass murder of innocents here. Most of you seem to have no clue about the complexities of the Middle East at the moment (Britain declined to attack Syria until Isis extended its territory. Bombing Isis is the only justified campaign over there).

Who has said "the Brits deserved it" and why do you have it in quote marks?

You have to understand why these attacks are happening, I'm suggesting it has to do with Britains bombing campaigns in Middle Eastern countries. I'm open to hear other suggestions.

end of the road · 23-05-2017 04:28PM

jackofalltrades wrote: »

No Islam is the problem.
The sooner people realise this the sooner we can start to address the problem.

no islam is not the problem. islamic extremists are the problem. the sooner people realise this the sooner we can start to address the problem and debate the best way forward.

tastyt wrote: »

It always amazes me the amount of people who are still willing to come out on terrible nights like this and defend whats basic murder.

And nobody wants to hear " oh wer not defending it but all muslims arent bad ".
So what? The bad ones are a large enough group to be causing bloodshed and terrorism throughout Europe so its unfortunate that good muslims will have to suffer for it.

As somebody said, strict Islamic beliefs are incompatible with western living .

Its time to stop mass immigration, and yes get out of their countries too, the west are not the police of the world.

If somebody argues that it wont work and we havevto get to the root of the issue then yes lets get to the root of it but protect your own people first. We need strong leaders who can resist the do gooder nonsense and make people in Europe feel safe in their own cities .

Wer all sick of trying to be politically correct and bend over backwards for a culture that wont move an inch or gives a **** about our beliefs

who is "defending" murder? good muslims wouldn't have to suffer for the actions of extremists if sectarian bigots got some common sense. strict religious beliefs whatever the religion are not compatible with modern western society. stopping mass immigration isn't going to make a difference to this issue as the attacks have been caried out by home grown extremists so far. there is no "do gooder" nonsense to resist. we aren't all sick of trying to be politically correct and bend over backwards for a culture that supposibly won't move an inch or give a **** about our beliefs, because we aren't all politically correct and we don't "bend over" for any culture. most people however are willing to behave themselves and not start picking on people and discriminating against them.

DrWu wrote: »

The Shinners and their buddies did the very same for thirty years. Sick of seeing and hearing people who I know voted for SF now expressing their horror at what happened in Manchester. Wake up and smell the semtex people.

you can vote for sf and condemn violence.

Persephone kindness · 23-05-2017 04:28PM

No one ever deserves an act of violence. Especially civilians and especially children. No British person no Muslim no one ever deserves this!

Jayop · 23-05-2017 04:29PM

pilly wrote: »

What's false flag articles?

Basically the suggestion would be that this was either government organised or at least allowed to slip through by the government for reasons that would suit them. I've not read these articles but I would imagine they are to do with May having a hard time the last few days and an attack like this would solidify her base and make it hard for Corbyn for the next few days.

Utter drivel but people lap that ****e up.

ceadaoin. · 23-05-2017 04:31PM

every time this happens it's the same posts, on every single forum. It's almost like there is some playbook out there.

- we don't know yet, could be swamp gas (keep this up until there is no denying it was an attack)
- we don't know who is responsible yet. Suggest anyone implicating Muslim terrorists are bigots (keep this up until there is no denying it was Islamic extremists)
-it could have been worse
- cars kill more people
- make out that people are blaming ALL Muslims, when it's obvious that isn't the case
- yes people died but whatever, spare a thought for the innocent Muslims who will be persecuted in hypothetical incidents
- they want people to be upset and angry so people who are feeling those things are in fact encouraging terrorism. The best thing is continue as we are and ignore it

Rinse and repeat, every time

RIP to all the victims and I hope the families find some measure of peace. Doubtful seeing as their children have been murdered

DrWu · 23-05-2017 04:32PM

end of the road wrote: »

you can vote for sf and condemn violence.

Yep. Hypocrisy is always an option.

neverever1 · 23-05-2017 04:33PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

the poster isn't questioning anything, he is making accusations to justify this.

This happened (most likely) because a vulnerable young British Muslim was radicalised by a scum bag cleric who convinced him, neigh brainwashed him, that walking in to a a concert with a bomb and killing himself and as many others as is possible, was somehow the right thing to do.

And those radicalised clerics, they don't see attacks on ISIS as the reason for their war, it is just par of it. Their war is with pretty much anything and anyone who does not subscribe to their warped version of what Islam is.

Where were these "Fighters" when Muslims were being ethnically cleansed from Bosnia, or whose rights are they defending when they shoot innocent Shia, Christian and Yizidis in cold blood?

I haven't tried to justify anything.

We have to look for reasons to why this is happening all over Europe. To just say that it's because of clerics radicalising mad young lads is way off the mark. There has to be a feeling of injustice for this campaign to spread like it has. It hasn't come from nowhere. Look at what the root cause is!

DrumSteve · 23-05-2017 04:34PM

Danzy wrote: »

As you know well, targeting children is a pressure point for any society.

I think it is only a matter of time before the Islamists are successful in targeting a School, it has already been attempted.

You have 2 or 300 hundred dead kids in a School in France and people will finally start to snap.

Given the attitude of so many politicians to this, it will get ugly.

Refusing to deal with a serious problem will engender a bigger one.

They already did it to a school in Pakistan a couple of years back.

Grandeeod · 23-05-2017 04:35PM

Lady Spangles wrote: »

All that video shows is Muslim people parading through narrow streets. It's peaceful (in a noisy loudspeakers kind of way), there's no violence and there's no disorder. So what's the problem? Are you just worried by things you don't understand?

EDIT: There aren't even that many of them. There just looks like more because they're cramped into narrow streets.

I think you are trying to twist the point the poster is making with your loaded questions. I don't know your personal experiences, but I have lived in Birmingham and I'm still a regular visitor to the city. It has muslim communities akin to ghettos and that's how I would describe them. Integration between these communities and other communities at any meaningful level is very difficult because of the huge gap in cultures. Now that in itself isn't a major issue, but I have absolutely no doubt that it contributes to the evolution of the British born and bred muslim terrorist.

Another poster also likened the video to marches in the north. However there is one key difference between loyalists/nationalists and muslims. The loyalist/nationalist culture is very very similar. They drink alcohol in bars. They engage in casual sex. They shop in the same stores and eat the same food. Their differences are actually minute and based on religious allegiances rather than practices. The leap to muslim culture is vast in comparison and I suggest that the video posted was being used to demonstrate the difficulty of integrating muslim culture with British culture.

Jayop · 23-05-2017 04:38PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

- we don't know yet, could be swamp gas (keep this up until there is no denying it was an attack)
- we don't know who is responsible yet. Suggest anyone implicating Muslim terrorists are bigots (keep this up until there is no denying it was Islamic extremists)
-it could have been worse
- cars kill more people
- make out that people are blaming ALL Muslims, when it's obvious that isn't the case
- yes people died but whatever, spare a thought for the innocent Muslims who will be persecuted in hypothetical incidents
- they want people to be upset and angry so people who are feeling those things are in fact encouraging terrorism. The best thing is continue as we are and ignore it

1) It wasn't known. Like the incident in NY last weekend was assumed to be a terrorist but it was a drunk driver.
2) We didn't know. I think it was a fair assumption to make though once it was known it was a bomb. Did people really call other bigots here for assuming it was Muslim related? I doubt that.
3) Don't think anyone said it could have been worse and it's callous of you to say so. Many kids were killed and it was horrific.
4) They do. Completely irrelevant but you're right.
5) Some people clearly are.
6) Hypothetical? You're having a ****ing laugh now.
7) Utter pish. I'm upset and angry. 2 family members of mine were at that concert and we didn't know they were safe until about 1am. I'm not suggesting we force feed people pork, kill people on a watchlist or intern anyone suspected of being radical.

Hyperbolic ****e no harm to you.

HigginsJ · 23-05-2017 04:38PM

Exeggcute wrote: »

Terrorism - "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

"We treat them in the same way. Those who kill our women and innocent, we kill their women and innocent, until they refrain." - Osama Bin Laden

They've been saying the same thing for almost two decades now, yet people think dropping more bombs on the Middle East is the solution.

I said nothing about dropping bombs on the middle east, we need to target the threat on the doorstep not the one thousands of miles away.

Like I said in another post, if you are on any of these watch lists, take away your civil liberties, over time you can earn them back.

SPDUB · 23-05-2017 04:39PM

ricero wrote: »

Thread title is disgusting. Lets call a spade a spade its terroism not an incident

It's nothing to do with calling a spade a spade , it's to do with it before started around 11pm when people weren't sure what had happened and the police using that term in their initial report

Shurimgreat · 23-05-2017 04:41PM

Exeggcute wrote: »

Most likely. I mean the Saudi's are buying several hundred billion dollars worth of weapons from the U.S. in the next few years. They'll have to get to play with their shiny new toys.

It might be slightly better if countries like the U.S. stopped selling them weapons.

And the same could be said for Russian sales to Syria, or Chinese sales or Pakistan or North Korean sales of arms to various countries.

A lot of it again is to do with religion. Iran, Syria and most of Iraq are one strand of a religion. Saudi Arabia is a different strand or faction of that religion. Each would gladly wipe the other off the map given half a chance, with or without western help.

Fratton Fred · 23-05-2017 04:43PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Same as the answer was in Ireland.
Governments take responsibility for their actions and interference in the affairs of other countries whether by invasion or black ops.
Stop suppressing indigenous peoples and exploiting the resources of others for their own selfish ends.
Make some kind of reparations for the past.
Apologise.

Because I guarantee you, just like in Ireland, they will have to do it one day. You will not bomb or intern this one into submission, it isn't going to happen tbh. That is the stark reality.

Do we have to wait 40 years (like we did here) and suffer many many more days like yesterday before we say enough?

oh dear, this isn't really the time for "what about me" but i guess it is only to be expected from you.

The only indigenous people being oppressed in the Middle East, are the indigenous Yizidis, Shias and Kurds, by the very same people that most likely carried out this attack.

This has nothing to do with Syria or Afghanistan, this is part of a much wider war that Qutbism is engaged in against the rest of the world. It started in 1979 and has grown from there. It needs to be wiped out and will only be done so if engaged on two fronts. Militarily by destroying its ability to wage war and through better integration, where second and third generation Muslim immigrants feel part of the country they live in and less associated with an extremist ideology.

end of the road · 23-05-2017 04:44PM

HigginsJ wrote: »

I said nothing about dropping bombs on the middle east, we need to target the threat on the doorstep not the one thousands of miles away.

Like I said in another post, if you are on any of these watch lists, take away your civil liberties, over time you can earn them back.

that was tried with the control orders. they didn't work

listermint · 23-05-2017 04:45PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

oh dear, this isn't really the time for "what about me" but i guess it is only to be expected from you.

The only indigenous people being oppressed in the Middle East, are the indigenous Yizidis, Shias and Kurds, by the very same people that most likely carried out this attack.

This has nothing to do with Syria or Afghanistan, this is part of a much wider war that Qutbism is engaged in against the rest of the world. It started in 1979 and has grown from there. It needs to be wiped out and will only be done so if engaged on two fronts. Militarily by destroying its ability to wage war and through better integration, where second and third generation Muslim immigrants feel part of the country they live in and less associated with an extremist ideology.

Wow I agree with Fred !

Amazed.

HigginsJ · 23-05-2017 04:50PM

end of the road wrote: »

that was tried with the control orders. they didn't work

I was not familiar with it but reading up on it, yes that is the kind of steps I would like to see taken, force it through to legislation whatever way is needed and tell any human rights groups to **** right off.

Then make sure it is properly financed and resourced so there is no reason those policing it cannot do their jobs.

Fratton Fred · 23-05-2017 04:50PM

neverever1 wrote: »

I haven't tried to justify anything.

We have to look for reasons to why this is happening all over Europe. To just say that it's because of clerics radicalising mad young lads is way off the mark. There has to be a feeling of injustice for this campaign to spread like it has. It hasn't come from nowhere. Look at what the root cause is!

it isn't just happening all over europe, it is happening throughout the world.

We have seen it in India, in Pakistan, in Saudi Arabia and to a far more bloody extent, in Iraq and Syria.

Young British muslims don't get redicalised by reading newspapers, they get radicalised because someone is telling them that their duty as a muslim is to join Jihad and eliminate Jahiliyyah from the earth.

ceadaoin. · 23-05-2017 04:51PM

Jayop wrote: »

1) It wasn't known. Like the incident in NY last weekend was assumed to be a terrorist but it was a drunk driver.
2) We didn't know. I think it was a fair assumption to make though once it was known it was a bomb. Did people really call other bigots here for assuming it was Muslim related? I doubt that.
3) Don't think anyone said it could have been worse and it's callous of you to say so. Many kids were killed and it was horrific.
4) They do. Completely irrelevant but you're right.
5) Some people clearly are.
6) Hypothetical? You're having a ****ing laugh now.
7) Utter pish. I'm upset and angry. 2 family members of mine were at that concert and we didn't know they were safe until about 1am. I'm not suggesting we force feed people pork, kill people on a watchlist or intern anyone suspected of being radical.

Hyperbolic ****e no harm to you.

I'm glad your family members are ok, must have been horrific to go through, for both those at the event and those waiting for news.

AudreyHepburn · 23-05-2017 04:52PM

jackofalltrades wrote: »

No Islam is the problem.
The sooner people realise this the sooner we can start to address the problem.

No it's the extremists and we've all known this since the first plane hit on September the 11th.

Stop burying your head in the sand - tarnishing Muslims as a whole for the acts of a few mad men is cruel and unfair.

SnakePlissken · 23-05-2017 04:53PM

fontdor wrote: »

In Islam we believe in peace kindness and friendship...

Just not toward homosexuals correct?

rondog · 23-05-2017 04:55PM

Theres in justice all over the world but that doesnt inspire people to pack on explosives and purposely target little children.
Western forces are massacring Muslin children on a daily basis and we don't even hear about.
No one has the answers of how we stop ALL children from being targeted so unfortunately this will go on and on.

FrancieBrady · 23-05-2017 04:58PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

oh dear, this isn't really the time for "what about me" but i guess it is only to be expected from you.

Says the poster whose only contribution to the thread is to defend the realm he cherishes.

The only indigenous people being oppressed in the Middle East, are the indigenous Yizidis, Shias and Kurds, by the very same people that most likely carried out this attack.

This has nothing to do with Syria or Afghanistan, this is part of a much wider war that Qutbism is engaged in against the rest of the world. It started in 1979 and has grown from there. It needs to be wiped out and will only be done so if engaged on two fronts. Militarily by destroying its ability to wage war and through better integration, where second and third generation Muslim immigrants feel part of the country they live in and less associated with an extremist ideology.

European muslim's disaffection and consequent belief that the west is evil is being exploited. Of that there is no doubt.

Solve that and the rest will wither on the vines of their homelands without the need for a war or military front. The boot boys need to take a break, this will not be solved by military might.

Irish Praetorian · 23-05-2017 04:58PM

rondog wrote: »

Theres in justice all over the world but that doesnt inspire people to pack on explosives and purposely target little children.
Western forces are massacring Muslin children on a daily basis and we don't even hear about.
No one has the answers of how we stop ALL children from being targeted so unfortunately this will go on and on.

What a stunningly asinine statement, and thats saying something for this thread.

Roger Hassenforder · 23-05-2017 04:58PM

rondog wrote: »

Theres in justice all over the world but that doesnt inspire people to pack on explosives and purposely target little children.
Western forces are massacring Muslin children on a daily basis and we don't even hear about.
No one has the answers of how we stop ALL children from being targeted so unfortunately this will go on and on.

I wasn't aware western forces were deliberately targeting children.

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