Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

take everything · 23-05-2017 01:50PM

RIP to all those who died.
I can't imagine how Ireland would deal with something like this.
We seem completely unprepared.

Neon_Lights · 23-05-2017 01:50PM

511 wrote: »

That very ironic coming from you of all people. Second and third generation Muslim immigrants are being radicalized and your solution to this is to post slogans like: "Don't let the bastards win, etc...".

Immigration control ato prevent ghettos is clearly what's needed, but many leftists won't allow that because immigration control is waycist.

The problem is that the lets hold hands were in it together with everyone including potential murderers, terrorists and extremists, doesn't fit in with the reality of the world.

This myopic pacifism is what causes issues.

Podge_irl · 23-05-2017 01:51PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

How long? Don't care, long.
Appeals? Dont care
Proof? The reason they are on the watchlist. The reason why the courts will suddenly approve raids and arrests over the next few days.
Objectors? = Sympathisers. Intern them. It's wartime. You're with us or against us.
Asylum? I use the word "Offered". A hand picked service.

Which is kind of the problem - you have to care and actually consider the consequences of the action.

There are babies on the no-fly list in the States. Presumably you're fine with them being thrown into the same internment pit as everyone else? You're basically advocating the secret police going around disappearing people.

Captain Obvious · 23-05-2017 01:51PM

Very saddening to hear of the death of an 8 year old at what should have been such a happy occasion. Hard to see what can be done to stop these twisted individuals.

Fratton Fred · 23-05-2017 01:51PM

Jayop wrote: »

Sweet Jesus if you question the reasons why something could be happening then the right are quick as **** to say you're justifying it.

For people that are so thin skinned and get uppity about any perceived suggestions of racism or bigotry (both have been rife in this thread) you sure can throw out the bull**** accusations like this one.

the poster isn't questioning anything, he is making accusations to justify this.

This happened (most likely) because a vulnerable young British Muslim was radicalised by a scum bag cleric who convinced him, neigh brainwashed him, that walking in to a a concert with a bomb and killing himself and as many others as is possible, was somehow the right thing to do.

And those radicalised clerics, they don't see attacks on ISIS as the reason for their war, it is just par of it. Their war is with pretty much anything and anyone who does not subscribe to their warped version of what Islam is.

Where were these "Fighters" when Muslims were being ethnically cleansed from Bosnia, or whose rights are they defending when they shoot innocent Shia, Christian and Yizidis in cold blood?

RobertKK · 23-05-2017 01:52PM

12 of the 59 injured are under 16 years old.

Many of the injured with very severe injuries and some fighting for their lives.

Podge_irl · 23-05-2017 01:52PM

511 wrote: »

Immigration control ato prevent ghettos is clearly what's needed, but many leftists won't allow that because immigration control is waycist.

The UK has immigration controls.

MayoSalmon · 23-05-2017 01:53PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

The UK has immigration controls.

Obviously not working are they!

23-05-2017 01:54PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

It's extremely unlikely.

These people want fame/infamy for attacking the powerhouses they feel are occupying forces in "their lands".

Even ISIS know if you start bombing countries like Ireland and Switzerland it will erode their cause. People expect them to attack London, New York and Paris. If they start bombing Dublin and Bern it'll be the beginning of the end for them.

Now, a homegrown radical Irish Muslim terrorist is, of course, likely at some point but they'd get the boat over and do their evil in the UK.

Sweden. They didn't bomb anyone, and welcomed refugees.

It doesn't seem to have eroded their cause.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

To be fair, the anti refugee sentiment is understandable. I'm sure there were a lot of English people who were totally opposed to allowing Irish people into the UK during the troubles?

There were. Anyone remember the National Front?

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Hillary knew it way back when. The US connection with the Saudi's is disgusting.

"we need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence
>> assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia,
>> which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and
>> other radical Sunni groups in the region. "

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3774

I'm not a fan of Trump, but what did Hillary do about it?
Or even try to do?

Exeggcute wrote: »

16 years after 9/11 it amazes me that people still ask why this is happening.

Two days after the U.S. signs the biggest ever arms deal with Saudi Arabia

The same Saudi Arabia that funds ISIS and Al Qaeda.

That supported the 9/11 hijackers, the vast majority of whom were Saudi

That builds mosques all over Europe to spread their radical wahabi ideology, the same ideology of ISIS

How many innocent men women and children have been slaughtered in the Middle East by Obama's (and now Trumps) indiscriminate drone strikes?

The West continues to feed this Monster through arms, money and our own bombing in the Middle East.

Couple that with the ghettos across Europe where Muslims have been left to rot for decades...

Opening the floodgates to refugees (created by our wars) so that ISIS can take advantage of the situation

We need to take a long, hard look in the mirror

Who's "We"?

Plenty of us oppose those policies!

Guess what? The radicals don't care whether they murder innocent people who want a just, peaceful society.

They just choose to murder innocents. It's that simple.

My daughter had two friends who went to that concert last night.

We haven't been able to contact them, and have no idea whether they are injured, dead, or just lost their phones.

They're 14 years old.

They had nothing to do with American policy, British policy, or any other policy.

Just like the other victims.

Victim blaming makes me sick!:mad:

RobertKK · 23-05-2017 01:54PM

take everything wrote: »

RIP to all those who died.
I can't imagine how Ireland would deal with something like this.
We seem completely unprepared.

Ireland has dealt with terrorism in the past, there is nothing much that can be done apart from what all do when an attack happens, take care of the people injured and dead.

kopite386 · 23-05-2017 01:54PM

Another controlled explosion has taken place this time at the house that they raided in south Manchester

FAILSAFE 00 · 23-05-2017 01:55PM

That terror watch list should become a kill list.

Billy86 · 23-05-2017 01:56PM

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Podge_irl wrote: »

The UK has immigration controls.

Obviously not working are they!

You do realise the attacker was apparently born and raised in Britain, right?

Strong Life in Dublin · 23-05-2017 01:56PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

If there is terror attack in a stadium or arena, stay in the arena. It is the safest place, they want you to exit.

I some what agree with this, but its a gamble really. Because there could be more explosions inside the stadium

ricero · 23-05-2017 01:57PM

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

That terror watch list should become a kill list.

these people on the terror watch list should be imprisoned if there is any doubt to their behavior until proved innocent

Barry Badrinath · 23-05-2017 01:57PM

take everything wrote: »

RIP to all those who died.
I can't imagine how Ireland would deal with something like this.
We seem completely unprepared.

This type of attack is hard to prevent.

The emergency services are prepared to deal with the aftermath.

conorhal · 23-05-2017 02:00PM

Pa8301 wrote: »

Every time I hear of these atrocities happening my initial reaction is to channel my internal Colonel Kurtz; "Exterminate the brutes". However, then on mature reflection, as Mr. Lenihan once said, I realise that the solution is not that simple. I actually don't think there really is a solution.

In my opinion there is a fundamental problem with Islam in that its teachings and beliefs can and are being interpreted in such a way as to foster radicalisation. It is obviously a tiny, tiny majority of Muslims who are radicalised, and you can't punish the many for the sins of the few. So what can we do? I don't think there is a lot we can do that we aren't doing already if we want to maintain the way of life to which we have become accustomed. Draconian security measures and restrictions on peoples liberties would probably make it harder for these people to carry out attacks. Is that something we really want though?

As unpalateable as this sounds, maybe these attacks are the price we pay for living in free democracies and are something, which while not accepting, we are going to have to become inured to. I know that sounds quite cold-hearted.

* I'm not sure I've conveyed my thoughts as well as I would like here, but I think it would take an essay for that, and ain't nobody got time for that!

I'm less fatalistic, this is a problem for democracies that are importing the 12th Century into their 21st century societies. Well an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Lets not go down the route of the UK and Germany, lets not import a problem we don't need in the first place.

23-05-2017 02:00PM

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

That terror watch list should become a kill list.

Glad it didn't happen before now or this Island would be completely destroyed.

Jayop · 23-05-2017 02:01PM

Yourself isit wrote: »

Sorry. The kind of attitude "the Brits deserved it" is in fact appalling justification. Just as it was during day as in the omagh bombings.

Also the people who are saying "deport them" are not the same as those of us decrying the justification of mass murder of innocents here. Most of you seem to have no clue about the complexities of the Middle East at the moment (Britain declined to attack Syria until Isis extended its territory. Bombing Isis is the only justified campaign over there).

Noone is saying the fact that Britain deserves it. Honestly you people make me sick with how you'll twist anything to try to score petty points when something like this happens.

Giving a reason for something isn't excusing it. Get that into your head.

DrumSteve · 23-05-2017 02:02PM

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

That terror watch list should become a kill list.

So what happens if an innocent person is added to it?

Danzy · 23-05-2017 02:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Glad it didn't happen before now or this Island would be completely destroyed.

The kill list tended to be any random Irish person, it largely always was. It was a tactic used to great effect here and across the Empire.

There is a parallel for Britain though in it.

Look to the 6 Counties for what happens when a Supremacist culture is dropped in on a culture that it largely is opposed to and who it believes it is mandated to by God to replace.

This problem has gone to seed now and it will only escalate.

These will be remembered as the quiet times.

Exeggcute · 23-05-2017 02:04PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sweden. They didn't bomb anyone, and welcomed refugees.

It doesn't seem to have eroded their cause.

There were. Anyone remember the National Front?

I'm not a fan of Trump, but what did Hillary do about it?
Or even try to do?

Who's "We"?

Plenty of us oppose those policies!

Guess what? The radicals don't care whether they murder innocent people who want a just, peaceful society.

They just choose to murder innocents. It's that simple.

My daughter had two friends who went to that concert last night.

We haven't been able to contact them, and have no idea whether they are injured, dead, or just lost their phones.

They're 14 years old.

They had nothing to do with American policy, British policy, or any other policy.

Just like the other victims.

Victim blaming makes me sick!:mad:

Victim blaming? Get out. I'm talking about the governments advocating a foreign policy that fuels this hatred and arms these nutters and their supporters.

It's called Blowback. The CIA coined the term after they overthrew a democratically elected leader in Iran and installed the Shah whose brutal regime gave rise to the even more brutal Islamic Revolution in 1979.

What we are seeing today across Europe is the very same thing.

xckjoo · 23-05-2017 02:04PM

I'm surprised at all the people in this thread calling for internment without trial, etc. The Irish out of all people should be against that sort of thing. Maybe ye should all watch In the Name of the Father.

kopite386 · 23-05-2017 02:05PM

26 year old John Atinkson named as 3rd victim confirmed dead

pjohnson · 23-05-2017 02:05PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

So what happens if an innocent person is added to it?

Was this man innocent? They dont add you to it for a prank.

Shurimgreat · 23-05-2017 02:05PM

ricero wrote: »

these people on the terror watch list should be imprisoned if there is any doubt to their behavior until proved innocent

Liberal lefties would be outraged at that and it would become their latest cause to protest and fight for.

You can mass murder all you like, but you can't infringe the rights of terrorists.

Another reason why the UK are leaving Europe I suggest, so they can strip many of the rights of would be terrorists and their sympathisers.

Fratton Fred · 23-05-2017 02:05PM

Jayop wrote: »

Noone is saying the fact that Britain deserves it. Honestly you people make me sick with how you'll twist anything to try to score petty points when something like this happens.

Giving a reason for something isn't excusing it. Get that into your head.

that depends really on the poster.

I tend to work on the basis that if it has feathers, swims, quacks and waddles, then it is a duck.

end of the road · 23-05-2017 02:06PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Intern everybody on the terror watchlist. Im not interested in what happened in the North. Over 40% of the North were of that political persuasion. The civil disobedience and rioting would be minimal in muslim communities. Intern them too.

and how much is that going to cost, and where are the prison spaces coming from. what criminals are we releasing if we aren't building new prison spaces to facilitate this failed suggestion. you should be very much interested in what happened in the north as Internment increased support for the ira and caused increased attacks. so it's likely the same would happen here. you aren't going to be able to intern everybody. in short, not going to work.

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Stop the Mediterranean taxi service.

can't be done as we cannot allow people to drown.

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Create a safezone in Northern Syria, repatriate the people claiming to be from Syria to the safe zone.

i agree in theory but in reality it won't work as there is no place to create a safe zone in northern syria. also, it would cost way to much to repatriate everyone.

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Built a wall over the Turkish border. The Hungarian fence has been a great success. The fence reduced people crossing it from 99,000 to 300 in the space of a month.

that's not true unfortunately. it did cause a decrease but only by a smallish amount, the numbers are exaggerated to make the policy sound as if it works more then it actually does.

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Evaluate the Asylum Laws. Only high level political/religious figures should be offered asylum.

why. because they aren't capible of being an extremist?
also, your solutions don't deal with the actual fact that it is home grown extremists carying out these attacks.

23-05-2017 02:07PM

Neon_Lights wrote: »

It would appear my earlier posts as to the ethnicity, religion and authoritative stance to the person were correct unfortunately, when are we going to take proper action instead of pussy footing around the crux of the issue? It's going to happen again and again and again. This laissez-faire governance is shocking.

One thing I don't understand is why people who post online in support of ISIS/terrorist attacks are not arrested, investigated, and where appropriate, jailed for supporting terrorism?

Obviously, care would need to be taken not to create any excuses about discrimination, but surely if people are openly celebrating last night disgusting attacks online, then there are grounds for a visit by the police?

Anyone found actively encouraging such attacks should be jailed for a very long time, or deported, where possible.

Captain Obvious · 23-05-2017 02:07PM

For those people advocating the deportation or internment of Muslims, how do you identify them?

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